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On June 26 2019 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
This game is specifically designed for mafia having to counter claim I think which is a bit shit. There's 3 effectively confirmed townies out of 8 which imo is way too strong. 2 would have been good I think. Now mafia have to shoot me while thinking about dodging a medic or rbing one while also thinking about there being a cop. I think it's too power role heavy. Maybe even just 1 named town would be enough because the mislynch pool for mafia is what, 5 players and they need to lynch 3 of them and maybe even more if there is a save???
I don't believe the Grack doc claim. I think he is just VT trying to draw kp away from you. At least makes sense to me.
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On June 26 2019 05:02 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
This game is specifically designed for mafia having to counter claim I think which is a bit shit. There's 3 effectively confirmed townies out of 8 which imo is way too strong. 2 would have been good I think. Now mafia have to shoot me while thinking about dodging a medic or rbing one while also thinking about there being a cop. I think it's too power role heavy. Maybe even just 1 named town would be enough because the mislynch pool for mafia is what, 5 players and they need to lynch 3 of them and maybe even more if there is a save??? I don't believe the Grack doc claim. I think he is just VT trying to draw kp away from you. At least makes sense to me.
This wouldn't make any sense. Mafia would just RB Grack plus shoot HF if they believed him. They would never shoot Grack
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On June 26 2019 05:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 05:02 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
This game is specifically designed for mafia having to counter claim I think which is a bit shit. There's 3 effectively confirmed townies out of 8 which imo is way too strong. 2 would have been good I think. Now mafia have to shoot me while thinking about dodging a medic or rbing one while also thinking about there being a cop. I think it's too power role heavy. Maybe even just 1 named town would be enough because the mislynch pool for mafia is what, 5 players and they need to lynch 3 of them and maybe even more if there is a save??? I don't believe the Grack doc claim. I think he is just VT trying to draw kp away from you. At least makes sense to me. This wouldn't make any sense. Mafia would just RB Grack plus shoot HF if they believed him. They would never shoot Grack
How? Grack as doc can't save himself. So wait for HF. Shoot Grack.
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On June 26 2019 05:07 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 05:04 Pandain wrote:On June 26 2019 05:02 Eversince wrote:On June 26 2019 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
This game is specifically designed for mafia having to counter claim I think which is a bit shit. There's 3 effectively confirmed townies out of 8 which imo is way too strong. 2 would have been good I think. Now mafia have to shoot me while thinking about dodging a medic or rbing one while also thinking about there being a cop. I think it's too power role heavy. Maybe even just 1 named town would be enough because the mislynch pool for mafia is what, 5 players and they need to lynch 3 of them and maybe even more if there is a save??? I don't believe the Grack doc claim. I think he is just VT trying to draw kp away from you. At least makes sense to me. This wouldn't make any sense. Mafia would just RB Grack plus shoot HF if they believed him. They would never shoot Grack How? Grack as doc can't save himself. So wait for HF. Shoot Grack.
Because Grack would protect HF.
You want to get rid of confirmed town as soon as possible. And there's already suspicion on Grack, so it's useful keeping him alive. And his role is useless if you keep roleblocking him.
So best solution: roleblock Grack, shoot HF
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That's assuming mafia has a RB. Which if Grack lives and HF does die we know they have extra kp.
If neither die Grack is mafia and someone else doc HF
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And if Grack lives and HF does he can tell us he was RBed and we know for a fact mafia RB is there.
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On June 26 2019 05:10 Eversince wrote:
And if Grack lives and HF does die he can tell us he was RBed and we know for a fact mafia RB is there.
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But it's very likely that Mafia has a roleblocker, especially if Grack's claim is true. No way the hosts let there be a doctor + auto confirmed day-1 town without a roleblocker. And I think it's very unlikely they let even that happen.
So if Grack is telling the truth, again, Mafia roleblocks Grack, shoots HF.
If Grack is lying and is town, HF still likely gets shot because they roleblock Grack. Likely HF dies.
If Grack is lying and is mafia, HF dies obviously.
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roleblock targets are not notified.
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Anyway my point is that Grack fake-claiming doctor as VT doesn't accomplish anything because it's still extremely likely HF dies.
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Ok Pand break this down for me. Because I'm failing to understand.
Mafia has RB.
Grack saves HF.
HF and Grack survive because mafia shot HF instead of Grack.
Or we living in a world where mafia have 2+kp in a 11 player game? Because phoo.
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On June 26 2019 05:14 Pandain wrote:
Anyway my point is that Grack fake-claiming doctor as VT doesn't accomplish anything because it's still extremely likely HF dies.
My point was that Grack fakeclaim to draw kp away from HF. Maby in the hopes there is a doc.
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On June 26 2019 05:17 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2019 05:14 Pandain wrote:
Anyway my point is that Grack fake-claiming doctor as VT doesn't accomplish anything because it's still extremely likely HF dies. My point was that Grack fakeclaim to draw kp away from HF. Maby in the hopes there is a doc.
If Mafia has RB, they are always 100% RBing Grack and shooting HF. Therefore KP is not drawn away. They would never shoot Grack, because Grack is under suspicion and HF is a confirmed town. Mafia's main priority is to somehow get rid of HF.
But if Grack is town, and was hoping another doctor would save him, then there is an extremely high chance that the other doctor counterclaims, thus causing one of the two to be lynched. So it's not smart to do this.
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On June 26 2019 05:14 Pandain wrote:
Anyway my point is that Grack fake-claiming doctor as VT doesn't accomplish anything because it's still extremely likely HF dies.
Either both live, mafia plays a wildcard and shoots someone random other then HF, or HF dies and as confirmed town I don't see a reason for mafia to leave such a player in, Gracks mafia. Whole reason I thought it was so easy to stack him on a t! pile in the first place. The claim makes no sense as mafia. If mafia shoot HF and Grack saves him nothing happens. There is no notice needed. We see the results. If mafia shoot wild and Grack was RB we still know. All useful info.
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Ok you can RB outed doc. You can shoot HF instead. Leave town with the doc. Because what's more useful? A confirm town or a doctor?
Choice is real easy for me.
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So we’re agreed.
We roleblock Grack and shoot HF.
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On June 26 2019 05:30 Grackaroni wrote:
So we’re agreed.
We roleblock Grack and shoot HF.
Yes. kill the squirrel!
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I'm sorry friends. I work nights, it's getting to that point in the afternoon where bed is just more appealing. If people want to talk 1-2 hours is it.
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Actually Pand, I did go through the filter. You're officially off the hook for the moment. I enjoyed our talk. Ewya's consistent refuse to explain a read on me and Kels in general.. Way more suspicious.
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