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On April 14 2019 05:45 Pandain wrote:
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.
It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too.
On April 14 2019 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 05:03 Pandain wrote:
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.
Whoever converted grack makea no sense based on what townies know so thats a dumb argument.
like what is so hard about that?
i am also very unhappy you are calling me scum.
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On April 14 2019 05:47 Pandain wrote:
Yeah and imo it's almost certainly one of Slam, you, me, or FF. It's not me and both you and FF are voting for KSC, so this is just where the logic leads me.
And if you think KSC is mafia that means you think mafia has the power to remove players from the game. Oh and if you think he's the cultist they also have the power to convert that person to. That's incredibally imbalanced.
no if ksc is the cultist its obv palmar...
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On April 14 2019 05:47 Pandain wrote:
Yeah and imo it's almost certainly one of Slam, you, me, or FF. It's not me and both you and FF are voting for KSC, so this is just where the logic leads me.
And if you think KSC is mafia that means you think mafia has the power to remove players from the game. Oh and if you think he's the cultist they also have the power to convert that person to. That's incredibally imbalanced.
its actually better than just converting because their new person cant vote next cycle?
not sure tbh, no idea how that day remove thing affects balance
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i mean if it is not palmar that got converted we are super fucked regardless
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On April 14 2019 05:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 05:47 disformation wrote:On April 14 2019 05:45 Pandain wrote:
It just makes no sense why Kelsier would claim he converted him if he was actually the cultist (and probably bring suspicion to himself). And if you think he's the actual cultist and that's his real power, why would he pick grack in a million years. The explanation of his town role just makes more sense imo.
It's okay if you believe it. It just means you're probably mafia and we're fucked if Slam is too. On April 14 2019 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 14 2019 05:03 Pandain wrote:
I agree with your analysis but I don't understand how it leads you to stay on KSC. Like if KSC converted people through jailing them, he could have picked way better people than Grack. That's not a question of different philosophies, it just doesn't make any sense from a mafia perspective.
Whoever converted grack makea no sense based on what townies know so thats a dumb argument. like what is so hard about that? i am also very unhappy you are calling me scum. Explain rayn's statement to me.
scum converted grack.
does it make sense for scum to convert grack? no.
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okay. lemme try once again.
IGNORE EVERYTHING.
it is a 100% fact that grack got converted.
why would mafia convert grack is not an answer town can answer.
grack got converted by ksc.
a) ksc is scum lying about his role
b) ksc is town
we also know that someone got converted last night
again:
a) its sent
b) its ksc and he lied about his role
is it possible that BOTH sent and KSC are scum and sent is trying to give KSC one more night by doing a shit claim?
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and outside of ksc's claim which is obv more believable than sents, does ksc town to you?
he doesnt look town to me.
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On April 14 2019 06:09 Pandain wrote:
No
KSC claimed his role even before the whole debacle with the mathmeticians and 5 people dying, which completely changed the game. There's no way mafia knew what would happen (all mathematicians were town) and were preparing just "one more day". KSC is almost certainly not lying about his role.
he claimed this early:
On April 10 2019 05:27 KelsierSC wrote:
i bussed grak out of this day phase. so his night actions couldnt resolve same for actions against him. he's in a QT with me and i guess he comes back next phase
i win with town but my role doesnt seem to have anything to do with maths or pythagoras or romans, some shit about unravelling lovers.
and A LOT later added:
On April 11 2019 23:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2019 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk but the whole conversion stuff doesnt make sense anyways since it is just op if it is like yakuza who doesnt die. how is town supposed to remove a growing number of mafia?
kelsier what does your role pm actualyl say about conversion? i am sorry if you have claimed it already. I was told there were 2 SCL's and i have to "uncross their stars" I can choose one player per night and effectively jail them "no night actions from or against them" they will be out of phase with the town next day and go into a temp qt with me. If they are the right star cross lover my "sage advice" will put them back in sync with their partner.win with town, alt win con uncross the lovers. so from the last line. it seems like they only get changed to the other alignment if they were a SCL.
why didnt he mention that the first time?
see. i dont even disagree that sentinel is super likely to be scum.
i just have a bad feeling about sentinel coming in with his claim and then not voting ksc.
it might be a mindgame, but it might very well mean that ksc is the converter.
but yeah i am super totally not sure if i want to go ksc in the hopes of getting the recruiter.
or just do the safe thing and vote sent.
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@slam voting would be great.
@rayn: any comments on my stuff or the general sent vs ksc thing?
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*sighs*
cold feet, hands are sweaty...
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we also have 0 clue on wat palmar is saying/doing in the qt cause ksc just gtfoed
On April 13 2019 02:41 KelsierSC wrote:
I was going to try and figure things out but i dont really give a fuck about this game. Lynch me or dont . I'm afk.
and i think gtfoing in this game seems to be scum thing. hi viviax.
though. you obviouisly could say the same on sent
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another stupid thing is:
if ksc is the converter. we 100% know who he converted after he flips.
and im not sure if that makes the game more or less wtf.
would be more fair for town, but super harsh for scum.
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man. most of all i hate these eod where like nobody is here. there are 10 ppl alive (well 9 - palmar) ffs.
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right fuck. voting sent.
if that guy is town imma flip some fucking tables.
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also kinda want to see ksc flip just to see his role, but sent is like slam dunk scum?
ksc is prolly scum too though
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i mean. prolly they both are scum and we are like guessing which one has the better role but bleh
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yeah kinda like this.
in all fairness:
would have been the same with ksc.
just lynch sent next.
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On April 11 2019 23:08 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2019 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 11 2019 23:01 KelsierSC wrote:On April 11 2019 22:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
With regard to Kels role, it feels mafia-flavored to me. Consider - mafia presumably knew that Grack was converted, and the following day Grack was unable to receive votes. Kels claims his actions was based on YOLO, which taken with everything seems bad.
However I've also filtered Vivax. From early on Vivax was trying to lynch Kels, so I think I wanna take him off the table tomorrow. He had him in sights D1 and was waffley on him D2, but careful to leave him on the table. My own reservations about his role aside, I think lynching Kels tomorrow a bad idea.
Conversely, his most recent reads post pretty heavily downplays a Sentinel lynch as "policy" and "lynch-baity".
Based on Vivax filter I think I'd like a Sent lynch tomorrow the mostest. If it was a mafia role then in the mafia QT vivax just tells me grack is the other SCL and I recruit him N1 winning the game immediately. Unless you're lying about the whole "Untangle the lovers" thing which not only doesn't make any sense thematically but you've failed to adequately explain yourself. the name of the role is the doppler shift , which is a maths/physics thing though i don't know what ties it has to fibbo.
huh. also no idea what the doppler thing has to do with lovers or whatever.
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not even rayn yelling at me to change back to ksc
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1 min left. oh man. if that guy is town imma be so mad.
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