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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 02:48 GMT
#2907
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls
How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?

This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 02:51 GMT
#2911
On March 05 2019 11:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 11:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 05 2019 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 05 2019 11:41 Mocsta wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now. [...]


CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT
This was the most recent vote count at time of posts above.

TF = 8, BH = 6, Conv = 4, acro = 4

if BH is scum, this is a great scum buddy post

1) Places non-committal scum read on BH
2) Is an afford to derail BH lynch (who is certainly not known as a hardcore lurker..)
3) No mayor candidate was advocating a BH mayor snipe -> i.e. is guranteed to fall upon deaf ears and receive no traction


I also note that Wiggles filter indicates he scum reads Conversion, but instantly drops this for the thread popular Trfel when it comes to saving BH. Overall, extremely hedged posting and likely mafia (alongside with BH)


On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
[...]


https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Mr. Wiggles&view=all


Preflip association not a great call, but I'll allow it because we need the flip regardless


Associative tells on unflipped players, bus analysis assuming I am scum, etx - vigi, please kill me or we'll have mistaken analysis all day D2

Yes plz.
As for wiggles I haven't read him yet. I'll get there eventually.

Once again though, how the FUCK in a game with as many players as we have with a bunch of good policy/low count lynched did we lynch the fucking town leader?

Just... Fucking how?

I still can't decide if I'm angry or just think it's hilarious. I guess I haven't been too invested so I'm indirectly to blame, but in games like this I never have a primary town voice over the palmars/Marvs/hokyfkares/rayns

HF was the one who killed Palmar though and yes it's very telling.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 02:52 GMT
#2913
On March 05 2019 11:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 11:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls
How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?

This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.

Not indicative of anything, I can honestly say I'd try to be concerned as either alignment. Like HF said earlier about someone (I forget who, I think trfel) he would preferred people not waste their time on this game to their own detriment. It's not worth it. Trust me as a longtime veteran.

I still see you making that post as scum so to each to their own on that.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 02:54 GMT
#2915
On March 05 2019 11:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On March 05 2019 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 11:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 05 2019 11:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls
How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?

This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.

Not indicative of anything, I can honestly say I'd try to be concerned as either alignment. Like HF said earlier about someone (I forget who, I think trfel) he would preferred people not waste their time on this game to their own detriment. It's not worth it. Trust me as a longtime veteran.

I still see you making that post as scum so to each to their own on that.

What? Didn't you just say your town read of me is based on me not tilting you further?

That was part of it. We also seeing eye to eye on some reads that was the other reasons.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 02:56 GMT
#2917
On March 05 2019 11:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like rsoul. Even though you don't know why I think she's scummy?

Yes but that also why I wanted to see why you thought she was scummy so I can compare it to my reasons for why I think she's scummy.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 02:59 GMT
#2920
On March 05 2019 11:57 Mocsta wrote:
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On March 05 2019 11:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls
How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?

This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.
wave seems to be a guy inclined to do this naturally. i dont think that in itself warrants a town lean

That was only part of why I am townreading him O_o I also seeing eye to eye on some of our agreed reads (although idk why he scumreading tina but I know he is)
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:04 GMT
#2924
On March 05 2019 12:01 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 11:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 11:57 Mocsta wrote:
On March 05 2019 11:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2019 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not really sure what's bringing this on, ls
How you doin' buddy? Something you need to talk about?

This is the post I was refering to in my last post for why I townreading WoS. If I was in his shoes as scum I would tell that person to fuck off and more but instead he did showed he cared about me.
wave seems to be a guy inclined to do this naturally. i dont think that in itself warrants a town lean

That was only part of why I am townreading him O_o I also seeing eye to eye on some of our agreed reads (although idk why he scumreading tina but I know he is)
yeah i saw that after i posted lol

i havnt seen anything scummy from wave, but, the game hes playing i think is quite easy to do as scum.

where im getting at is that I think once wave finds someone to play/tease the reads out of him, his colours will be quite clear.

anyways, i gotta get work done. spent enough time on here today.

fair play on that but the last time he played scum with me he did the bare minimum and won.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:12 GMT
#2927
On March 05 2019 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I did? That doesn't seem like me.

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=WaveofShadow
You got nominated for your plan there.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:26 GMT
#2934
On March 05 2019 12:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On March 05 2019 12:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I did? That doesn't seem like me.

https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=WaveofShadow
You got nominated for your plan there.

Man I don't remember that game at all. If you look at the last post in my filter though I don't take credit 'cause my team was good. Reading a little of it I lurked the shit out of that game because things were very busy for me at that time in my life (board exams coming up, just graduated) but also because I had never really tried 'actively lurking' before and wanted to change things up considering how active I normally was in literally every game where my filter was among the biggest.

Lmao. Well you did a good job there though XD
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:27 GMT
#2935
On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---

I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul
We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow.
The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.


I already told you this and I will say again: you got my sword.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:43 GMT
#2945
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:46 GMT
#2946
Also don't worry WoS you got my sword this game.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:53 GMT
#2951
On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:
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On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.


SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.

Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.

I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:54 GMT
#2952
But ya I lynching whoever WoS lynching tomorrow.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 03:59 GMT
#2955
On March 05 2019 12:55 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.


SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.

Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.

I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).


Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul?

On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town.

TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.)
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 04:03 GMT
#2956
Anyways EoN I will be on mobile but I don't prefer to post on mobile for obvious reasons.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 04:45 GMT
#2966
On March 05 2019 13:21 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 12:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:55 Tictock wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.


SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.

Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.

I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).


Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul?

On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town.

TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.)


If it's not too much trouble, care to point me to one of these interactions?

The few interactions between them I saw suggested they were both town to me.

The tone didn't feel natural from one end and felt like it's Scum vs Town and this post from Tina seemed a bit forced in my opinion:
On March 05 2019 07:32 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 05 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ftr sorry HF i think i overreacted and i dont think youre mafia. But i dont like stuff that is not true on me. Also i always talk through people when i think they are mafia or id i think the conversation wont help either party. I didnt overreact on rsoultin. Regardless of what i say she wont change her read because her read is not based on not what i actually write, and i read her town, so no discussion is going to be productive.

Or she is mafia, but i dont believe it.


These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information.

But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me.

It's hard to describe but this post from Tina seemed like a good excuse for her to have a shit fight with Rayn? One of them definitely is town and the other is mafia on the tone between these posts from each other and in my opinion it's Tina.
Anyways going to retire to my bed and when I wake up I will read everything!
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 11:43 GMT
#3152
Just woke up will go back to bed as I am tired but I will answer a few things:
On March 05 2019 13:55 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 13:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 13:21 Tictock wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:55 Tictock wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:50 Tictock wrote:
On March 05 2019 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Wave that point about Tina was part of my newer reasons for scumreading her as well. Sicklucker did point it out but he townreads her for it though lmao.


SL can be a surprisingly smart dude sometimes.

Hell he might even be town this game, pretty solid chance I'd wager.

I think SL is wrong about Tina but he did bring forward a good piece of evidence for me (later wave used).


Besides the case Wave just posted (or anything in it), what are your reasons for scum reading Rsoul?

On March 05 2019 08:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home for like 30 minutes I voting Tina I think she's mafia at this point mainly her town around on me and her interactions with Rayn leaves me thinking she's scum. Originally swap to HF because I wasn't feeling the Sent mayor kill anymore but swap back because HF wants to kill Palmar who I think is likely town.

TLDR her odd read shifts on me early and her interactions with rayn don't seem to come from Town!Tina from my perspective.(I made that post in on mobile so it did not come out as I wanted to.)


If it's not too much trouble, care to point me to one of these interactions?

The few interactions between them I saw suggested they were both town to me.

The tone didn't feel natural from one end and felt like it's Scum vs Town and this post from Tina seemed a bit forced in my opinion:
On March 05 2019 07:32 rsoultin wrote:
On March 05 2019 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ftr sorry HF i think i overreacted and i dont think youre mafia. But i dont like stuff that is not true on me. Also i always talk through people when i think they are mafia or id i think the conversation wont help either party. I didnt overreact on rsoultin. Regardless of what i say she wont change her read because her read is not based on not what i actually write, and i read her town, so no discussion is going to be productive.

Or she is mafia, but i dont believe it.


These sorts of posts are why I hope you're mafia, actually. It's irritating as shit when you actively ignore me because I 'won't change my read'. I think if anything can be said of my play it's that I'm not a fucking mindless bulldog, and it's not as if I can even remember a game where I've tunneled the shit out of you when you were either alignment without reconsidering new information.

But whatever. Behaving this way will make it difficult for me to see you as town if you are. And if you are, well, I'm really just sad that we apparently can't play this game together anymore and you know what...it's really not because of me.

It's hard to describe but this post from Tina seemed like a good excuse for her to have a shit fight with Rayn? One of them definitely is town and the other is mafia on the tone between these posts from each other and in my opinion it's Tina.
Anyways going to retire to my bed and when I wake up I will read everything!


Yea I actually still get the opposite impression between those 2 posts you quoted.

I've seen Rayn many a time bulldog down a scumread of his even when there is tons of evidence that he could be wrong, but since he sees something that colors a person red he will never let it go. Similarly will ignore someone he sees as townie who disagrees since he writes them off in his mind since he has "solved" their alignment. I'd go so far as to say that Rayn often is playing his own game of mafia, called "How right can Rayn be this game" (ok this is a bit unfair, and sorry Rayn, but it's how I perceive it).

Rsoul, conversely tends to want to interact with her Town reads to bounce ideas off another person and get a better sense of where he reads should maybe be. I see her as one of a handful of players who actively try to look at both sides of a player, what they might be thinking as town and what they might be thinking as scum. Sometimes when you do this (I do this as well) it becomes hard to decide which PoV is more likely and you wind up bouncing back and forth between these 2 PoV's.

That is also why I feel like Wave's case on Rsoul is shit, because that sort of waffely behavior is almost exactly what I tend to expect from a player who thinks like this.

So, TLDR: Both are behaving how I'd expect from what I perceive their characters and mind sets to be as town reacting to one another here.

To each of their own I guess.
On March 05 2019 14:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok, for real I am out this time as I need to go to bed.

Thank you LS for sharing your views, I think you are wrong, but I am all the more convinced you are like 80-90% town here form that.

Like I said earlier, don't expect shit from me again tomorrow (wont even be home till about this time) but will be around Wednesday.

Np on talking to you.
On March 05 2019 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 05 2019 15:51 AMG wrote:
151 pages... you cannot be serious!

I started playing here nearly a decade ago under the name Adam4167, some of you ive played with, most of the rest Ive spectated games you were in.

Now, if someone could tell me on a scale of 1 to 10 the level of shit ive waded into, 1 being my socks would get wet and 10 being if i open my mouth I die of E.coli?


I can't talk about pages 1-100 but as Day 1 came to an end, there was a 3-way race for mayor between Holyflare and Palmar, and to a lesser extent Iamperfection. There was no clear lead for who would be lynched, with Trfel, Oats, Acro, and Conversion all hitting 4-5 votes at one point or another.

With about 6 hours left in the day, I came by and basically admitted there was no way I was going to read the first 100 pages, and said that it would be fine to lynch me so someone else would have a chance to play through Day 2 and enjoy the game (basically martyring). I lobbed down a self-vote (which later turned out to be not allowed), and voted for the guy who most recently got a mayor vote, Palmar.

Following this, I got a wave of votes - from HF, Acro, Grack, and Iamp, who seemed extremely pleased with himself for figuring out that he should vote me.

Over the next couple of hours, mayor voting consolidated, with HF and Palmar being neck and neck, and iamp falling behind. HF ran on a platform of lynching Palmar, and Palmar ran on a platform of lynching Sent for a variety of reasons inclusive of a policy lynch of Sent for failing to read his role PM.

with about a half an hour left in the game, rayn, FF, iamp, Damdred brought HF to several votes over HF, pushing him into a comfortable lead over Palmar, and most of the votes consolidated onto either me or Trfel.

with 10 minutes left, HF basically had the mayor vote locked up, 4 votes ahead of Palmar, thanks to Damdred and Iamp also hopping on his mayor wagon. For the lynch, I had 10 votes to Trfel's 9:

Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, Vivax, rsoultin, Conversion
Trfel (9): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales

You'll note my vote isn't on Trfel here, I keep it on Iamp since he's a shitter and I don't want to accidentally get someone other than me lynched.

The last 10 minutes are shenannies:

Exo comes in and votes me, making it 11-9.

3 minutes to the deadline, Vivax swaps over from me to Trfel, tying it up at 10-10 (though i'll be lynched in this tie)

2 minutes to the deadline, Lightingstrike jumps from his irrelevant rsoultin vote onto me, making it 11 votes on me, 10 on Trfel.

1 Minute from the Deadline, conversion hops off of me and onto Trfel, causing Trfel to have 11 votes and me to have 10.

Trfel flips Doctor.

HF uses his mayoral power to kill Palmar, the backup Cop.



I swap to you to try to prevent Tfrel's lynch but conversion hammered Tfrel -_- If you had looked in my filter I made it clear I wasn't going to let Trfel get lynched but I failed though when Conversion layed down the hammer on Tfrel while I was on mobile -_-
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 15:18 GMT
#3220
Still a little tired but willing to talk I couldn't really sleep much after my last post.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 05 2019 15:20 GMT
#3222
Slam since you are here how you reading Chez right now?
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