EPTOn March 11 2019 06:40 Tumblewood wrote:
@ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither?
@ace do u think chez or FF is scum? or neither?
I don't have a read on either. I just saw FF say something about a bomb on me though lol.
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I don't have a read on either. I just saw FF say something about a bomb on me though lol. | ||
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On March 11 2019 06:50 Fecalfeast wrote: What does this even mean, did you read what I said or not? I'm speed reading so I probably misread something. I thought I saw you say something about putting a bomb on me? | ||
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Does anyone have any comments regarding going back and looking at Iamps suspects Day 1? I think there was major effort to kill him because he was on to more than 1 person. | ||
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Lol glad you caught it 😎 @Tumble: I have a then read on Slam. But that's based off 2 days ago when my head was in the tunnel. I had a Town read on BC too 😋 | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:15 Onegu wrote: NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN POINTS FOR BEING ON THAT WAGON!!! lol. You go afk all day, refuse to move your vote, now don't want people to get credit for lynching an anti-town player. Hello :D | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:18 Rels wrote: Ace if scum didn't know Sent was traitor. A traitor flip is nice but don't give any associative infos Indeed. If Mafia didn't know who traitor was, then a Sent flip tells you nothing about me via association. But, looking at the cases being made against Sent in isolation should tell you the probability of me being Scum here is low. | ||
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*nods* | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:42 Onegu wrote: LS that means nothing. IF you are scum it means you thought you were getting a mislynch... But if you are Town you are happy you lynched an anti-Town player | ||
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On March 11 2019 08:51 Vivax wrote: This anti-onegu sentiment you're stirring doesn't go unnoticed @ Grack, Mocsta, Ace Good. I want it to be noticed. Thank you for your contribution. | ||
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Acro should be heavily scrutinized btw. If FF or Chez are actually hatters, that is a shit ton of Town KP. 1 of which is potentially unkillable at night for Scum. | ||
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1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed 1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast Mad Hatter - Chezinu Day Vigilante - Pandain Known roles: Marv = Cop Trfel = Doctor Palmar = Backup Cop iamperfection = Veteran BC = Scum Roleblocker With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds. Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow. With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker. No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB. So I just don't buy all of these claims. Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more. TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town. FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante. I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town. So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me. Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon. Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow. | ||
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On March 11 2019 11:11 Mocsta wrote: Hi Ace, I agree acro is in a weird position. The role is odd, and the way hes played teh game I think is odd with the role. However, BC has an interesting interaction wtih Acro that I forgot to list in my BC summary - which I give town points for. Why do you list Chez as the fake claim, over FF? What am I missing? Also, why is the dayvig logical for town? Im not actually trying to shit on pandain as confirmed town here, i just have a couple points i need to process (1) Leading a lynch on sentinel is not necessarily a towntell, because mafia may not have even known there was a traitor (2) Shooting HF, may have been a way to score some free town cred. The problem i have with the dayvig role is how AMG played the game; however, i can see it probably leans towards town. Because if mafia, he has a QT telling him who to shoot, and all he has to do is read a filter adn become proficient in that. If town, I can see him taking it as big responsibility. I dunno, the whole thing is weird. I have talked myself into leaning it town, if not confirmed town for PoE. Perhaps revisit if hes there at end game. so scrap q on dayvig. I probably didn't explain it well. It's not that Chez's claim is fake (I actually didn't even read the claim now that I think of it). I'm resting on the assumption that Acro can not be a town aligned killing role that would end up only pointing at Town. If his claim is true, then one of Pandain or Chez would be scum as he's already killed Damdred. And since Pandain is more probable Town than Scum with a day vigi role, that would make Chez scum by PoE. That's only for people that believe Acro has to be telling the truth and that my assumption is valid. Day Vig is logical for Town because Scum has 3 KP from what I've seen. Giving them a a day killing role that is usually Town would be extremely powerful with what they already have that we've seen. But I admit this is all based on how I would balance the game, not the mods. I agree with Point 1. However, I know I'm Town and anyone leading a lynch on Sentinel when I had that many votes is probably not scum in that place. I could have easily died. Also, the Sentinel lynch came while I was typing up my own case ie it happened independently and not of my direct influence. Doesn't mean they are confirmed town but hey are more likely Town than Scum. Of course we can also say they wanted to get any votes away from Chezinu at all costs (if Chez is Scum of course) and anyone would do because they didn't want my wagon to stall and Chez becoming a default lynch. As for Point 2 I hated Pandain's shot too. But we have to remember Pandain was out of the game and replaced in. He wouldn't necessarily have the same alignment reading change some of us had once BC died. He also plays a similar way I do and as Town WOULD shoot HF in that spot if you ignore the BC info. I don't remember when he replaced in, but the only thing I'd find fishy is if he was around Day 2 with a chance to shoot HF and never did. Meaning the BC flip spurred him into action. But overall I don't think he's scum at the moment. Good discussion tho GG @ Sentinel | ||
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