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Alright I think I'm officially involved now.
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On March 04 2019 16:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 16:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2019 16:42 ExO_ wrote:On March 04 2019 16:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2019 16:37 ExO_ wrote:On March 04 2019 16:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 04 2019 16:35 ExO_ wrote:On March 04 2019 16:32 rsoultin wrote:On March 04 2019 16:24 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 16:18 rsoultin wrote:
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HF is never scum here. If one of us is scum and the other isn't we tear each other apart. I'm not sure if both are scum...I can't remember playing scum with him but chipmunk memory.
It's actually super exciting lol >< it's been forever since we both rolled town.
And apart from the rsoul-focused reason, there's also how he handled the argument with rayn. Scum HF just keeps tearing and tearing, town HF backs off and tries to understand people after his stubborn argumentative streak is appeased. So. I mostly agree with you. Not sold on lamp. His main contribution is hounding me all game so far, so I know he is at least very very wrong. Still gotta figure out whether that's because he's being an idiot or just picked a target and stuck with it because it's easier as scum than actually reading the thread. Especially this huge one... I think Iam's town. I thought he was town before his case on you. He's got this organic thing going when reacting to the thread. Also think it's a mischaracterization to say that he's not focused on anything else. "He's got this organic thing down" What the fuck is that supposed to mean? He's mostly posted a sentence or two, has about 2 posts with more than that. And the fact that you think his town because his posts look organic is super wtf to me. Seemed pretty clear to me actually. What do you find strange about that exactly? Organic is a strange choice of words imo. Saying somebody's posts look organic is only how you would describe somebody's posts if for some reason they actually aren't. It's like a "grassroots" movement -- it's not a real thing. There's always astro-turfing and that's what this seems like to me. That's...what? What a weird thing to say. I have never in all my time playing this game had someone create a sticking point over the word organic. Dictionary.com: denoting a relation between elements of something such that they fit together harmoniously as necessary parts of a whole.
"the organic unity of the integral work of art"
synonyms: structured, organized, coherent, integrated, coordinated, ordered, systematic, systematized, methodical, orderly, consistent, harmonious, methodized
"a society is an organic whole"
antonyms: disparate
characterized by continuous or natural development.
"companies expand as much by acquisition as by organic growth" I think you're focusing on this far more than I was -- using organic to describe somebody's posting, to me, is not very organic.I don't think it serves much to dwell on this though -- do you agree with what rsoul said? You feel like iamp's posts are organic and town-motivated? OR what is your opinion of iamp? It's less about the organic-ness...organicity? of the posts and more the seeming confidence behind his posting. He reacts to everything and posts with an air of superiority and most importantly pushes more or less relentlessly which, even if I didn't know iamp at all, are towny traits. I don't know you very well, but relentlessly pushing one person I've always found to be more of a scum trait. I have to ask myself if I believe that you believe what you are saying -- I'm not sure I do.
Assuming he's been doing nothing else, you'd be right. But he's very clearly but spouting all sorts of reads and reacting to thread while at the same time pushing acro whom he believes to be scum. Not sure what you expect him to be doing otherwise.
I don't need to defend him here any further.
What I REALLY should be doing is reading Acro probs.
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K I actually have to go back and read Iamp's reason for wanting to lynch Acro 'cause I'm not seeing it at first glance.
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Ok I think in theory the points iamp has made on acro have merit on surface value only, but feel misguided. I think Acro's entry post was pretty balls but everything after that has been fine, including his point on Palmar. As long as the mayor does what we want it doesn't matter that much who it is but we do learn a little depending on how their platform was pushed and who votes for them.
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On March 04 2019 17:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning. I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol Of course you do. I'm green and you're red. You still haven't followed a train of thought in this thread. Just throwing names out and hopping around til a train starts rolling. Die. Shitty scummer.
Quick question:
From what I remember Oats is a spectacular mess as either alignment. Why are you so sure?
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On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw Now apologize for playing anti town. I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page. Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you. He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority. Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here: a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it. b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers". I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this. Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.
Aside from the 'i'm gonna kill him anyway rawr' I really like this post. Pretty insightful imo.
Palmar/iamp/acro all town? Hope so.
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Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that
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AND PARANOIA KICKS IN
Too many warm fuzzy townfeels going around from so many active people and there are a bunch of people in agreement with this (includingme aaaaaa)
Will probably look some people up and make a real dumb case no one will listen to tomorrow when I think I've found scum.
Stay tuned.
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Not hiding.
I'm far from an early lynch target and self respecting vig would hit me now, so you'll just have to be patient and be satisfied with the scraps I have provided you for now bby
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Am I the only one who didn't find the palmar - - - >mocsta intsraction rude at all?
The shit people used to get away with on TL mafia by comparison....?
I'm so confused by some of the behaviour here.
Anyway not relevant to much.
Hf in what world is palmar scum here? Antagonizing a bunch of people (whether meaning to or not) taking firm control of town---there is zero reason for scum to do any of this, or give up position on easy mislynches from a mayor position (assuming sentinel is town, for example).
Take his right/wrongness out of the equation. Pobodys nerfect.
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I seem to remember thinking conversion town earlier
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On March 03 2019 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh about conversion
Dunno there was a lot of talk and attention about him really early when he made a stupid entry
The entry itself was meh and I don't think it deserved as much attention as it got so it felt like people were try to set up a lynch based on garbage
It definitely petered out though
Oh yeah, this.
Eh, didn't turn out to be much. Could be scum, sure.
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On March 04 2019 22:37 Acrofales wrote:The case against OatsmasterExhibit A: the lack of effortFirstly, he has been utterly useless and all over the place with his reads. Without any justification he just randomly threw out names of 11 people in a "look at me, I'm playing the game" fashion in the span of about 10 minutes. + Show Spoiler +On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
##Mayor: HolyFlare
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet all not town On March 03 2019 05:55 Oatsmaster wrote:not town On March 03 2019 05:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote:
I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie. 10/10 mafIA On March 03 2019 05:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. MAFIA lifes tough hf On March 03 2019 06:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 05:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd like to survive long enough to figure out my role so I'm going to disagree with the Sentinel Policy Lynch 3rd part=y When asked to back it up, he didn't really do that, confused himself about why he had called people scum in the voting thread and just really couldn't justify calling anybody scum at all other than this: Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense Everthing there is nonsense. They are literally made up reasons. He's not putting any effort into the game. Exhibit B: the flailingThis entire post is terrible: Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong. Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong. It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here. It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads.
In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town? So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion. The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town. SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF?? He started off thinking HF was scum for "putting in too much effort"? Now is trying to back out while trying to rationalize how and why he is not convinced of his case, but it doesn't look sincere. Doesn't pass the smell test, and feels like he is just trying to get off HF's radar. Especially as he just drops HF entirely the moment HF drops him. If this is some big "logical inconsistency" that got him all riled up about HF's play, then why is he not following up? HF kept posting and playing in a similar manner, yet Oats never mentioned him again. What changed? Nothing in particular, except that HF went from thinking Oats was scum to voting alongside him: Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated. Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me? Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:54 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. 3. I trust Palmer to find mafia a lot more than Holyflare. 4. Let's lynch the wagon Holyflare started. Ok Acro. Have my vote. So HF is off his back and voting for me, so not worth the effort anymore. In fact, he doesn't even appear to notice HF is now voting alongside him. Because one of the advantages of flinging "reads" everywhere is one of them is bound to stick. And that one was me. Why does Oats think I'm scum? I still don't really know. I'm not a lawyer. That's for damn sure. All I got from him is a bunch of post-hoc rationalization about why some of the stuff other people (Palmar, Grack) said look townie are not townie. But he has not once made sense of why I'm scum. It's almost like all his reads are just picked at random and he'll run with whatever works. He's not even trying to understand what's happening. Just trying to spin: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 07:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 06:35 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? Yes, they are... you'll note that you weren't on there either. Although I'm not entirely sure anymore why not. Palmar isn't on there because I was (and am) voting for him for mayor. So no, I don't think he's scum BH falls in the Koshi, Mocsta, Pandain, Rels, Onegu list of people who hadn't posted at all, and thus I couldn't make my mind up either way. DarthFoley doesn't seem too scummy and had been posting. Sentinel was the only guy there who was mostly policy, and only partially because he was doing nothing of value. The rest were all there because I read their filter and found nothing much to believe they're town: Oats posted a craptastic bunch of "reads" and then went away again without adding anything to the thread except for a bunch of troll posts. Lets get this show on the road. Kill Oats for justiceFF wants to be mayor, but a town FF would know he stands no chance with HF, Palmar, Cobbler, Ace, rayn, BH and iamp. Yet that is literally the only thing he has posted about all thread. Other than that he's thrown some shade around without any conviction. WoS, ExO_. Entered, trolled, fucked off. Basically did nothing beyond phone in their presence, promise better and fuck off. sicklucker: I'll call him "Oats light". Wiggles: don't really want to lynch him anymore, but he was there in the WoS, ExO_ list. Other people aren't on there because I think they're probably town or there simply isn't enough information to figure it out yet. On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. On March 04 2019 06:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 06:19 rsoultin wrote:
Eew.
Acro: "Palmar wanting to lynch sent is more likely to find scum than HF who wants to lynch Oats who I want to lynch."
rofl >< Given that I want to lynch Oats, I don't want to vote HF to mayor kill him. It defeats the purpose. On March 04 2019 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: also, HF's case on Oats was based on some nonsense that made no sense. Not on the reasons that Oats is actually scummy (although it did start that way). It was about Oats changing his mind when Oats never changed his mind (just threw out an unsubstantiated read and never commented on it again). On March 03 2019 06:25 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote:
Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy. only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players No, it just makes it obvious you haven't read the thread carefully enough to piece together coherent reads and are just throwing whatever you can in the open in the hopes something sticks. Pretty scummy oats tactic. On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks. On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated. Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me? To me, Acro, it looks like you're really not paying attention at all. You should be happy that you have exactly the same points as I've already stated and should be happy to vote me as mayor. Instead you're not even interested in someone who shares the exact same read as you. You didn't even know the reasons I actually voted oats and you voted on the wagon scum found it opportune to be on. Not looking good for you I'm afraid. Really, not paying attention? In a 65 page day 1 i was mostly afk for? You're obviously right there. nice boiling down his points into a singular answer that actually confirms what hes saying Acro Indeed. I was agreeing with him. I wasn't paying close attention. Yet somehow me agreeing with HF about my own playstyle is bad. Scummy? I dunno. But definitely worth throwing shade at in a drive-by sniping. Oats just doesn't engage. He takes potshots as if they are gotchas, because his mind is already made up: as long as a townie gets lynched it's a great D1. And right now, I'm the most likely to be lynched, so non-committal snipes on me is the way to go. There isn't much more in his filter. He enters the conversation and leaves before getting anything done. Asks pointless questions, and generally just floats around the surface looking "busy" without putting any effort at all into the game. Most notably not into his mafia cases against HF or me (the only two he has followed up on beyond a list post).
I love the effort you put in here actually, but I'm kinda with palmar here in that it's just kinda... Oats?
Could be either really this is just what he do
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Your dumb post is dumb Hf
Stop being dumb
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That he assumes the majority of scum has all piled on to one wagon?
Is that not evident to you?
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Like in HF's head:
'behold! I am scum leader palmar and I want all you lesser scums all to vote for me so I can waste the mayor lunch! Bwahahaha!'
Wave/mocsta/ls/chezinu/mz- 'yes sir'
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2 people. Not 5.
And that's not even the entirety of HF's list I mentioned.
Seriously Hf this time I have a really hard time believing what you're writing about palmar.
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The upper part is @slam.
@vivax interesting that you bring up Tina because I was saying that sort of stuff earlier. Did you read conversation with her?
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