On March 05 2019 17:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't get the palmar kill. I get why hf would say he's going to lynch palmar but I really thought he was going to go on something stronger than 'Well I said I would' when deciding who to kill. He had already got himself a ton of info, could have got even more by killing someone else.
My townread on rsoultin is fading fast. Something about the way she kickstarted the trfel train and the got out of the way at the last second.
That's fair. I think I look bad, too xD
I will say though that all this 'I didn't think he'd do what he said he would' stuff is pretty blah. HF did it. Figure out what that makes him. This just reads like you don't want to be associated with the flip.
This is exactly what I intend to do. What are you thinking about hf currently?
Him lynching Palmar changes absolutely nothing for me lol >< I am not the sort of idiot who thinks that someone being wrong makes them scum, or that going after a 'top town player if he's town' makes them scum (biased here cause I know I'm town but whatevs).
I'm willing to admit that I could be wrong on him just like any other player, but I still think how he's played and how he interacted with rayn in particular when they were fighting comes from a town HF. And I'd like to be right about something so there's that lol ><
Neither of those things are why I want HF dead, btw.
What's the number one reason for wanting him dead?
Meapak - He still hasn't done anything to change my mind from the very beginning of the thread. If anything some of his later posts were worse. He seems to want to argue when its pointless and drops things when they are going somewhere.
WaveofShadow - He has a couple of okay posts but ignores his conclusions in favor of 'we should lynch hf because of what he did to palmar' which is a bit weak and seems like justification for failing to continue reading other posters.
Ace - There's just not very much here at the moment. There's just enough zero content posts to push him into scum territory.
Oats - Sometimes he posts well (nothing particularly insightful - but not unexpectedly awful), other times he's making similar posts but the logic is missing. Very strange and scummy.
Possible Scum:
Sent: His reads don't chime with what I'm thinking at all, and I can't see very many good explanations of what he's thinking.
rsoultin: Inconsistent logic and unexplained/unexplainable voting if townie.
rayn: I need to go back and look at his previous games but everyone's saying he's normally super aggressive and I don't get that vibe from him at the moment. This isn't really a read but a note to self to go check his meta.
Mocsta: I had a bad feeling about his early posting and hf's case makes sense.
------------- LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO I CAN'T READ YET
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Town: Acrofales: His posts are continuously pro town and useful.
Koshi: This guy makes me laugh so he's a townie. Fuck you if that doesn't make sense.
Vivax
Most people I haven't mentioned are town leans.
HF is playing a game I don't understand and I'm trying to work out what that is. If anyone has input it would be delightful.
Specifically from that 'will I/won't I' lynch palmar thing that briefly happened. I'm not ruling out that you were just having a laugh but it piqued my interest.
truffle = scumread, then his return feels townie = vote leading other wagon BH = think he'll probably flip town too
call for shennanies on Oneg
So, where are you getting lost exactly?
I'm not lost, I'm suspicious. It was explained in an exchange before about you jumping ship away from trfel at the last moment on a 'feeling', which you simultaneously decided was because you had been duped.
What changed your vote iirc wasn't trfel's return directly but another player's suggestion (i think hf) that trfel was townie. It was a following move which seemed in anticipation of something, or because of group alignment rather than a read.
I can perfectly well understand suddenly having a feeling like that a crucial moment in a vote, it happens, but it seems a little out of character when all of your other reads were explainable using facts, or a user's posts.
Looking through your filter, every time you have town read someone you have quoted something they have posted and given a reason why that post makes you town read them. Usually this process makes sense but then with trfel we get this:
On March 05 2019 08:32 Trfel wrote: STILL NO ONE HAS SAID A SINGLE THING TO ME
NOT ONE EXPLANATION OF WHY I AM MAFIA NOT ONE QUESTION NOTHING
Do you realize what is happening? If I'm lynched, fine, whatever, but someone acknowledge my existence please!
You've been way too confident on your reads for me and it seems convenient where you ended up but fuck me if I'm not being a sucker :/
I don't know what this post is at all. Unless I'm literally reading your words wrong, you're giving a reason why you should lynch trfel whilst changing your vote. This isn't a town read.
On March 05 2019 08:46 rsoultin wrote: it's not even for a good reason it just /feels/ like maybe he's town lol >< fml
And then that happened and it just seems weird to me.
On March 06 2019 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: And, like HF, I refuse to believe you are that terrible. You are one of very few people who have flat out caught me as scum. In your damn signature, a quote from Lord Marvellosity himself: "rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
That isn't you in this game.
Lol I still don't know what game you're referring to ><
Look, I'm not going to sit here and pretend to you or anyone that my read wasn't much more than feels cause it wasn't. Palmar wasn't engaged in the thread the way I associate with a town Palmar and the one I'm familiar with is the one who doesn't care and kinda does tone things with early posts and stuff. So you add that in with what I've already said and some of his reads particularly the one on me like somehow my LS read has any bearing on my alignment and yes...then throw in other people also thinking he's scum (HF-who I did and still do have as one of my top townreads) and that's where I land.
you see, I do struggle with this.
the mafia motivation for killing Palmar is so huge and HF has the balls. That alone should remove him from being a top townread even if you townread him for other reasons.
I will never claim that I can't be wrong on HF's alignment. But I can't remember the last time we've been opposite alignments and we haven't gotten into a massive drawn-out shitfight. Years. He has had multiple opportunities to just bury people and shit up the thread arguing till he's blue in the face and he de-escalates even when others continue to throw shit. The rayn episode is the one that comes most readily to mind.
You tell me but Tina don't you think he'd lynch Palmar as scum? Yes. Of course I know he's that brazen. Which to me brings lynching Palmar and Palmar flipping green to a flat null. I don't really understand why people think that Palmar being town makes HF scum. My read is based on everything else not someone thinking the same person I thought was scum was scum and being wrong.
Like is there some reason that you think HF wouldn't do that as town that makes the flip indicative of alignment?
because I think he (should) knows better. but maybe not which is why it's not definitive . I was really convinced he was just playing for reactions when I started reading before the lynch because I couldn't believe he'd actually lynch him.
I mean obviously I missed the context from the previous 71 hours, but meh
On March 05 2019 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Hey Holyflare, is your mayorial shank still aimed straight at Palmar's heart? If so, this mayor train that's forming up on you is pretty damn troubling.
Nobody piled onto me and nobody really went to save palmar so I've learnt either mafia don't care or palmar shouldn't die.
On March 05 2019 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Hey Holyflare, is your mayorial shank still aimed straight at Palmar's heart? If so, this mayor train that's forming up on you is pretty damn troubling.
Nobody piled onto me and nobody really went to save palmar so I've learnt either mafia don't care or palmar shouldn't die.
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote: na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something
Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.
Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.
Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.
I literally said I wouldn't.
He took it back immediately but why introduce that seed of doubt?
On March 05 2019 07:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I've been keeping up but not posting. Shouldn't trfel be here defending himself if he's scum instead of that 'take it or leave it' bullshit?
On March 05 2019 18:29 rsoultin wrote: i'm done with you acro. go back to something interesting, if you can manage it. calling your maybes in your reads list bad was a good start
@jock uhhuh...yeah i don't get how you read this game and claim that hf didn't have a scumread on palmar that he made overwhelmingly clear multiple times including his intention to use the mayor lynch to vote him. if your uncommitted to any pov is your way of saying he's scum i guess that makes some sense but it's a lot of words just to nullread someone
At one point he said he wasn't going to lynch palmar and was just using the platform to find out who would go for it. The he said that was a lie. This is the post that is making me question his motives and how genuine his palmar read was.
This is literally hours after the flip dude. What about him literally killing palmar is making you question his motives. Jock you've waffled so many times on HF in the last 24 hours I can't help but feel like you're setting yourself up for either side of an HF lynch and you're just waiting to see which way the thread goes.
You also ask a lot of questions and push very few reads. You have only one substantial post detailing who you think is scum and have done nothing to advance your case... my goodness we're gonna have quite the docket of scum once I'm done sifting through the HF voters.
Yeah but this is a stupid case, and heavily cherry picked. Unfortunately you accidentally cherry picked the part that shows exactly why I did what I did. I'm sure you'll be gone for a week or whatever now though so you just left this here like a fart before you left. Great job.
Is there anything about my explanation for my questioning of hf yesterday that doesn't make sense? I had him as a townread and he's probably the most influential guy in the game at the moment. The way he went for the will I/won't I that you quoted here with Palmar and then explained it as just trying to have a laugh and inject fun into the thread (which is his explanation for all his anti-town actions) was something that got me thinking...
So given that during the night phase I have nothing pressing to take care of I thought I'd try and get more information to try and see where he's coming from (this is also why I'm didn't make alot of reads yesterday - no-one's listening to me anyway so it wouldn't help with town decision making either).
You guys read each other and make cases based off years of meta knowledge (which probably explains this weakass shit I wake up to), I only have people's actual posts to go off, and HF's were something I found a little weird. He is by no means the most suspicious guy in the game to me, but he's the most important at the moment so I don't want to be caught with my pants down accidentally townreading him.
Same goes for rsoultin. My thinking was exactly the same - although as the day went on it became clear that no-one's really paying her any attention so I dropped it.
When it comes to the trfel vote I was mostly concerned with making sure acro didn't get voted out as he's definitely town and useful. I wanted to get on a wagon and BH seemed like an interesting guy to keep around which was enough to go on for what was basically a coinflip.
'Just having a laugh' isn't really a mafia excuse for anti-town behaviour also, because that's just incredibly low effort mafia play if so and you aren't really a low effort kind of player from what i gather.
I think its a little bit hit or miss but pretty much confirms what I was originally thinking.
Ace seems like a lurker and I already had him as scum. I don't know where he was going with the whole mayor thing. Fishing maybe? He never explained why he wants to kill hf from what I saw. Just 'we need to kill hf'.
I think its a little bit hit or miss but pretty much confirms what I was originally thinking.
Ace seems like a lurker and I already had him as scum. I don't know where he was going with the whole mayor thing. Fishing maybe? He never explained why he wants to kill hf from what I saw. Just 'we need to kill hf'.
Dude
Ace states he is supportive of hf and palmar
Then says to rsoultin.. why not lynch hf..
Ace never comments on hf changing to palmar but knows all about trfel so we can surmise hes actively reading the game
Then when palmar is town.. ace rubs his hands and pipes up for an hf lynch
He was behind hf and palmar and didnt care to lynch either.
Then instead of voting his only scumpsect in bloodycobbler.. he throws a random vote on town
This is as mafia as yoy can get.
Its a 2page filter.. no excuses for anyone not to read this ...
Read my post again. I agree he's mafia but your case is reading stuff into some things that don't really look like they are there and that makes your case weaker. Just because your case is weaker than it needs to be doesn't mean he isn't mafia.
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