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Vivax
22288 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:15 Tubesock wrote: I think MZ and Jock have been doing stuff. You can’t say the same thing about DF. But you’re right they are shallow reads and it wouldn’t take much for me to begin thinking they’re scum. So what's the reason you thought DF was scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
Let's all kill Mocsta. On March 14 2019 04:26 Poopdude wrote: Good thinking Grackaroni! On March 14 2019 04:27 Vivacious wrote: He is pretty great so the idea checks out. On March 14 2019 04:25 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole! Great work team! | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
And if you're hardtowning claims then why not hardtown Rels whose role is confirmed (NAI tho) | ||
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Vivax
22288 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well so glad you decide to participate instead of observe. I was not deflecting, I was straight up commenting on the merits of his lynch. You're trying to kill him for his reads post and I think its a bad case because I agree with a lot of his reads. And you ruled out he started bussing upon having a majority wagon on him because? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
And I didn't just participate the bandwagon, I was the strongest one. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Example Case 2: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Example Case 3: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2015 05:04 Tubesock wrote: In case I die. Town Soren / Holyflare Breshke Prplhz Rsoultin Half the Sky Jarjarbinks The Shining - I was thinking of having him in the nulls but it would essentially be a policy null. Ace was useless. I like Shining. Plus he likes my thoughts on Dwarf so there's that. Nulls Onegu - hasn't done a lot. Waiting on his Rsoultin case Stutters695 - I see posts in his filter I like. Some I'm eh ok. I have a hard time towning him when he scums Breshke and Prplhz. I plan on rereading Breshke and Prplhz more to see if I think Stutters points are reasonable. Anyway, focusing on him Day 2. Also thinking about Prplhz's assessment of him. Bourneq - Got a lot of flack from Prplhz at the very beginning. I gave him a couple slight townpoints for something but that was basically it. Don't remember anything else about him. Mafia TheBloodyDwarf - duh! Example Case 4: + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote: headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time: Towns: Kush Shape Slam Marvish Ricey jat If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them. for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish Dr Thrawn Etellex Mig (modkill though?) Palmar Example Case 5: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: My scum list is scummiest to least: Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers. I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him. NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo. The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB. So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time) Example Case 6: + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On March 10 2015 08:36 Tubesock wrote: So, Bats and Fecal mafia. then 2 in Lightningstrike Alakaslam Sepulchre Keirathi I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam. Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes. I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town. I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know. Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful. Tell me which ones are from scum TS and which ones came from Town TS. I know the answer. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
By the way all games I've played with traitor mafia has known them. Can I get even a little bit of credit for lynching scum? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:32 Vivax wrote: And you ruled out he started bussing upon having a majority wagon on him because? You call what he's doing right now bussing? And let me get this straight, because he's about to die he's just gonna hard bus his entire team? I don't buy that for a second. Besides for you to believe he's bussing you'd have to agree with his reads which I don't think you do. Actually the more I think about your line of logic there the worse it gets. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
Example Case 1 s I spoiler each list post: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Example Case 2: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Example Case 3: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2015 05:04 Tubesock wrote: In case I die. Town Soren / Holyflare Breshke Prplhz Rsoultin Half the Sky Jarjarbinks The Shining - I was thinking of having him in the nulls but it would essentially be a policy null. Ace was useless. I like Shining. Plus he likes my thoughts on Dwarf so there's that. Nulls Onegu - hasn't done a lot. Waiting on his Rsoultin case Stutters695 - I see posts in his filter I like. Some I'm eh ok. I have a hard time towning him when he scums Breshke and Prplhz. I plan on rereading Breshke and Prplhz more to see if I think Stutters points are reasonable. Anyway, focusing on him Day 2. Also thinking about Prplhz's assessment of him. Bourneq - Got a lot of flack from Prplhz at the very beginning. I gave him a couple slight townpoints for something but that was basically it. Don't remember anything else about him. Mafia TheBloodyDwarf - duh! Example Case 4: + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote: headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time: Towns: Kush Shape Slam Marvish Ricey jat If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them. for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish Dr Thrawn Etellex Mig (modkill though?) Palmar Example Case 5: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: My scum list is scummiest to least: Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers. I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him. NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo. The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB. So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time) Example Case 6: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2015 08:36 Tubesock wrote: So, Bats and Fecal mafia. then 2 in Lightningstrike Alakaslam Sepulchre Keirathi I think Keirathi is most likely town of the 4. I'd like to hear what Kurumi thinks about Kei. Along with the other confirmed towns, Breshke and Slam. Sep. I felt like he's "off". But then I think about the Geript "ninja" set up and wifom myself into black holes. I really don't know about Slam. He does have 3 days to prove useful though. I think he's 65% town. I've been thinking a lot about Lightningstrike lately. I don't know. Unless people think Bats is possibly town, he's my next pick. Even Fecal who I was pretty sold was the ninja is more useful. Tell me which ones are from scum TS and which ones came from Town TS. I know the answer. Lmao these all look very similar to me. Gonna have to find a better meta read fam. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
POE and he hasn’t been doing stuff. Like I said. If you’ll notice the other two names are just above his but in black. And there’s a space delineator between them and townreads. I believe the theory that there are 5 mafia left, so of those I think DF is less towny than them. Pretty deep read huh? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:39 Pandain wrote: @TS if I was scum and needed to defend ace, I wouldn't have gone so far to lead a huge bandwagon away from him. By the way all games I've played with traitor mafia has known them. Can I get even a little bit of credit for lynching scum? Sure you can have credit for that. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
1,2,3 was Mafia Tubesock the others were Town Tubesock he does actually put more words on his list posts as scum | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18258 Posts
Hatter is a town role, and town generally has a reasonable number of blue roles. Here's an example (tl mafia 5 I think I copypastad from) from a 30-player game: 0 of 2 Paramedics remain 2 of 2 Detectives remain 1 of 2 Veterans remain 0 of 1 Vigilante remains In a bigger game I saw more town KP and similar number of other powers. So the claims so far appear to line up. It is true that we've toned down the number of blue roles over time, but it's also been aaaaaages since we had a normal large game fill up. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:43 LightningStrike wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1,2,3 was Mafia Tubesock the others were Town Tubesock he does actually put more words on his list posts as scum Oh nice. You're right I actually do see a noticeable difference between the top 3 posts and the bottom 3. Good post. | ||
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LightningStrike
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