• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:49
CET 19:49
KST 03:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 285HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
StarCraft player reflex TE scores [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1372 users

End of the World Party Mafia - Page 35

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 Next All
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 17:33 GMT
#8624
I didn't ignore your point df I just got a target I would rather lynch but did talk to rels about MZ in our qt.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 18:05 GMT
#8632
Since none seems interested in lynching Onegu going with something my day 4 thing regarding night kills add in TT and df' s extra point. Will consolidate onto MZ.
##Unvote
##Vote: Maepak_Zipph
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 19:00 GMT
#8648
On March 17 2019 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
idk Onego, maybe you're on to something lol:

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: FecalFeast


Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote


Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Darthfoley


Show nested quote +
On March 16 2019 04:47 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote


Show nested quote +
On March 16 2019 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Onegu


Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 03:04 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Maepak_Zipph


This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off.

The FF vote was because I saw Mocsta claim red check on him and recided when I reread who he said was going to check. I thought Mocsta had a red check on Df when he was talking in the thread earlier but then decided that it likely not a real red check after talking with rels in the qt. I voted Onegu as a placeholder/my biggest scumread because his claim seems more like mafia trying to survive type of deal. Since I saw nooone wanted to lynch him I went for my 2nd wagon of choice.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 19:01 GMT
#8651
On March 17 2019 03:58 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 03:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Theres also a suspicious lack of reaction to Wriggles being mafia


I’ll join you on Wiggles.

Fun fact most the dead townies also scumread Wiggles.

PAlmar nailed 2 scums and had Wiggles too but he's fun to play with
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 19:03 GMT
#8654
On March 17 2019 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 04:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 17 2019 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
idk Onego, maybe you're on to something lol:

On March 15 2019 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: FecalFeast


On March 15 2019 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote


On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Darthfoley


On March 16 2019 04:47 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote


On March 16 2019 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Onegu


On March 17 2019 03:04 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Maepak_Zipph


This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off.

The FF vote was because I saw Mocsta claim red check on him and recided when I reread who he said was going to check. I thought Mocsta had a red check on Df when he was talking in the thread earlier but then decided that it likely not a real red check after talking with rels in the qt. I voted Onegu as a placeholder/my biggest scumread because his claim seems more like mafia trying to survive type of deal. Since I saw nooone wanted to lynch him I went for my 2nd wagon of choice.

LS lets lynch Wriggles

Some of the deal called him as well as MZ. Wiggles more fun to talk with
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 19:04 GMT
#8655
On March 17 2019 04:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 04:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:00 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 17 2019 03:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
idk Onego, maybe you're on to something lol:

On March 15 2019 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: FecalFeast


On March 15 2019 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote


On March 15 2019 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Darthfoley


On March 16 2019 04:47 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote


On March 16 2019 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
##Vote: Onegu


On March 17 2019 03:04 LightningStrike wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Maepak_Zipph


This just screams scum doing their best to figure out which wagon is the most likely to take off.

The FF vote was because I saw Mocsta claim red check on him and recided when I reread who he said was going to check. I thought Mocsta had a red check on Df when he was talking in the thread earlier but then decided that it likely not a real red check after talking with rels in the qt. I voted Onegu as a placeholder/my biggest scumread because his claim seems more like mafia trying to survive type of deal. Since I saw nooone wanted to lynch him I went for my 2nd wagon of choice.

LS lets lynch Wriggles

Some of the dead called him as well as MZ. Wiggles more fun to talk with

May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 19:59 GMT
#8701
On March 17 2019 04:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 15 2019 02:08 Acrofales wrote:
Ah shit. Onegu claiming 3p survivor. Do we believe that?

Oats gotta die first in any case.

If 3kp tonight no?

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2019 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
[center]Day 5



sicklucker the Vanilla Townie has died.
Grackaroni the Vanilla Townie has died.
Vivax the Vanilla Townie has died.

You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Saturday, Mar 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


LS do you still think onegu is a fakeclaiming survivor since there was 3kp? Why haven't you mentioned that since the daypost? Seems like an easy target for you rather than hopping wagons all day

Ya I think he's fake claiming survivor since we had 3 kp still and the reason why I havne't mentioned was I did forget about that I said that honestly. I had other reasons as well but noone wanted to lynch him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:03 GMT
#8706
On March 17 2019 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 04:59 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 17 2019 04:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 15 2019 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 15 2019 02:08 Acrofales wrote:
Ah shit. Onegu claiming 3p survivor. Do we believe that?

Oats gotta die first in any case.

If 3kp tonight no?

On March 15 2019 08:05 kitaman27 wrote:
[center]Day 5



sicklucker the Vanilla Townie has died.
Grackaroni the Vanilla Townie has died.
Vivax the Vanilla Townie has died.

You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Saturday, Mar 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


LS do you still think onegu is a fakeclaiming survivor since there was 3kp? Why haven't you mentioned that since the daypost? Seems like an easy target for you rather than hopping wagons all day

Ya I think he's fake claiming survivor since we had 3 kp still and the reason why I havne't mentioned was I did forget about that I said that honestly. I had other reasons as well but noone wanted to lynch him.

Can you explore why you believe onegu to be fake claiming based on the kp in detail or have you already

Because assuming normal KP formula mafia would have 2 KP at this point with 5 alive if we assuming normal number of mafia which would of been 7 to start with. I did go to HTS's school of balancing so that in mind he is my biggest target but noone wants to lynch him outside of Rels.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:07 GMT
#8708
ugh I voting MZ atm not wiggles oats lmao....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:10 GMT
#8711
On March 17 2019 05:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 05:07 LightningStrike wrote:
ugh I voting MZ atm not wiggles oats lmao....

well clearly thats just a predictor of the future

Oh lol....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:40 GMT
#8727
On March 17 2019 05:26 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Five Vote Count

Oatsmaster (7): Acrofales, Mocsta, Jockmcplop, Rels, Maepak_Ziphh, Mr. Wiggles, Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (3): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, Fecalfeast
Maepak_Zipph (2): darthfoley, LightningStrike
Mocsta (1): Pandain


Not voting (2): Alakaslam, ExO_

Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Saturday, Mar 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

Slam and ExO aren't here and not voted either. Very concerning.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:41 GMT
#8728
Also Pandain is voting on a wagon that wont happen wtf....
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:52 GMT
#8742
On March 17 2019 05:42 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 05:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 17 2019 05:26 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Five Vote Count

Oatsmaster (7): Acrofales, Mocsta, Jockmcplop, Rels, Maepak_Ziphh, Mr. Wiggles, Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (3): Oatsmaster, Tubesock, Fecalfeast
Maepak_Zipph (2): darthfoley, LightningStrike
Mocsta (1): Pandain


Not voting (2): Alakaslam, ExO_

Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Saturday, Mar 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

Slam and ExO aren't here and not voted either. Very concerning.



Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 05:32 Rels wrote:
I also hate that Slam and Exo are not there and have not voted



LS confirmed not reading the thread

I was reading I just was making a statement.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:55 GMT
#8744
Does anyone feel like going for an Exo shenanigan tonight? I don't want to lynch either oats or wiggles and I know some people want MZ but not enough seem to be convinced he is scum. Exo on the otherhand seemed to be a lurker scum like rels said.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 20:59 GMT
#8748
I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 21:03 GMT
#8750
I defending him using my own experience with scum oats who I had caught both times I had played vs it in Day 1/Day 2 area myself in Carol and A Simple Game of Mafia. With that being said I did townread him Day 1/Day 2 this game so I doubt he's scum based on my own experience.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 21:39 GMT
#8761
On March 17 2019 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.

Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain.

Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you?

He at least giving some constructive feedback this game compared to his last scum game I played with him where he just tried to snipe and not give reasons for anything really which is how I catch scum oats. Trust me on this one and vote MZ with me.
His filter this game: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Oatsmaster
His last scum game i played with him: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Oatsmaster
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 21:40 GMT
#8762
On March 17 2019 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win.

Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think.

Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red

Onegu is confirmed not town.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 21:43 GMT
#8764
On March 17 2019 06:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 17 2019 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Oats/DF/TS/Pandain is a good list of scum to lynch down to get us those few in a row we'll need. We'll need to look between Onegu, Jock, and Rels after that. Whichever one or two of those who are town need to step it up so that we can win.

Acro/Mocsta/MZ/Me will be a good town circle to solve most of the game from before the end of the next night cycle, I think.

Hopefully LS and FF come around to our side after Oats flips red

Onegu is confirmed not town.

Yeah, but if he's 3P and not scum we might not be able to lynch him without losing. I think we've got the scum team pegged pretty well after all the stuff today though

I doubt he's survivor honestly and so does Rels.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 16 2019 21:55 GMT
#8780
On March 17 2019 06:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2019 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 17 2019 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Our #1 Fan (still, we hope) LightningStrike calls in with:
On March 17 2019 05:59 LightningStrike wrote:
I not liking a Oats lynch because I can normally catch him as scum Day 1/2 which I did call him town Day 1/2 so highly unlikely that he's scum honestly.

Are you trying to push the MZ lynch still? I don't agree with that one, and especially don't like your company on the wagon of df and Pandain.

Is there anything else about Oats' play that reads as town to you?

He at least giving some constructive feedback this game compared to his last scum game I played with him where he just tried to snipe and not give reasons for anything really which is how I catch scum oats. Trust me on this one and vote MZ with me.
His filter this game: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?user=Oatsmaster
His last scum game i played with him: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Oatsmaster

What about MZ sticks out to you as scummy?

Oats looks like he got the most 'constructive' this day cycle because he's getting lynched.

What do you think of Oats pushing MZ hard last cycle and then straight up abandoning him for me this cycle? I think it's related to the fact that MZ didn't get traction and people said they town read MZ so Oats needed to try a different target to get a mislynch.

Night kills were pointing at him didn't really like my interaction with him on Day 4 I think it was. Oats was more constructive early in his filter than his entire filter in that game like I said so unless he decided to up his game for this final game compared to his last one I played with him I doubt he is scum on that. I think he gave up that push since it wasn't going anywhere and tried to look for alternatives so we can lynch scum?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
17:00
#105
goblin vs KelazhurLIVE!
TriGGeR vs Krystianer
RotterdaM1054
TKL 269
IndyStarCraft 193
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1054
TKL 269
IndyStarCraft 193
UpATreeSC 115
BRAT_OK 92
CosmosSc2 69
MindelVK 38
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2069
Shuttle 356
Hyuk 90
Free 27
yabsab 26
IntoTheRainbow 11
ivOry 9
Dota 2
qojqva3165
Fuzer 151
League of Legends
C9.Mang078
Counter-Strike
fl0m3803
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King79
Other Games
Grubby2713
FrodaN2185
singsing1446
Beastyqt845
ToD178
Liquid`Hasu176
Harstem137
KnowMe126
ArmadaUGS119
Trikslyr66
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2786
BasetradeTV149
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 20
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie1728
• TFBlade1194
• Stunt521
• Shiphtur498
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 11m
RongYI Cup
16h 11m
herO vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 5h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-05
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.