EPTOn March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeast
He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
Wiggles
I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly):
+ Show Spoiler +
But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
Damdred
See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.
Ace
Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloodycobbler
Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu
I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel
There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu
AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain
Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
MZ
Didn't have time to filter.
Tictock
tubesock
Tumblewood
sicklucker
ExO_
darthfoley
Rels
For various reasons, these guys are probably town.
I didn't get around to making sense of the actives. My gut feelings and reads from yesterday haven't changed. For the record that is:
Holyflare
No matter the activity, you do scummy shit, you are scum.
Raynpelikoneet
Stuck in a tunnel on me. No clue what to make of it.
Grack
Mocsta
I read them as town last time I filtered him, but no clue really. Need to refilter
Alakaslam
Hasn't been doing much, but just a general townie feel to his posts.
WoS
Oats
Vivax
rsoultin
Jock
LS
Town for various reasons
Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeast
He's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
Wiggles
I cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly):
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote:
Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
Wiggles: cases TS with the following:
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy.
Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
Wiggles: cases TS with the following:
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy.
Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still Wiggles
But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
Damdred
See above, but if for some dumb reason my shot doesn't go through. His filter is empty of anything of value.
Ace
Read Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloodycobbler
Like Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu
I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel
There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu
AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain
Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
MZ
Didn't have time to filter.
Tictock
tubesock
Tumblewood
sicklucker
ExO_
darthfoley
Rels
For various reasons, these guys are probably town.
I didn't get around to making sense of the actives. My gut feelings and reads from yesterday haven't changed. For the record that is:
Holyflare
No matter the activity, you do scummy shit, you are scum.
Raynpelikoneet
Stuck in a tunnel on me. No clue what to make of it.
Grack
Mocsta
I read them as town last time I filtered him, but no clue really. Need to refilter
Alakaslam
Hasn't been doing much, but just a general townie feel to his posts.
WoS
Oats
Vivax
rsoultin
Jock
LS
Town for various reasons
Assuming Pandain is town Chez actually a good lynch assuming that it's a 2 town 1 mafia ratio honestly based on that alone. Tina also was scumleaning Chez and Slam doesn't like Chez this game?
