On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote:Okay, time is running out. I haven't filtered everybody yet, but here goes.
First off, I am the
lurker vigilante and I shot damdred tonight.
It's a kinda useless twist on vigilante that puts some overly strict conditions on who I am allowed to shoot. On N1 I wasn't allowed to shoot anybody. Tonight I had a choice of Damdred, Chezinu and Pandain/AMG. Out of these I deemed damdred the scummiest.
Trust me, if I could have, I would have aimed this gun at HF's head twice already, but I can't
I expect to die tonight, so have my list post. Not that anybody here ever listens to the dead guys.
The lurk scum:
FecalFeastHe's been around. He has been "helpful" and has the completely unconcerned feel of a scummer who knows his buddies are all safe. Add this to the "bid" he did for mayor, knowing he'd never get elected and use it all of D1 to do effectively nothing. GG.
He is not at all concerned with the goings on of the day. I understand someone says it's not FF meta to run for mayor as scum, but what did he do as mayor? Did even a single person vote for him? But really, was he sticking his head out above the cornfield? Not that I could see. He wasn't pushing any kind of platform, just sorta making posts about how he wanted to be mayor, without doing anything else?
WigglesI cased him a bit earlier. This was my conclusion (bit rambly):
+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2019 21:47 Acrofales wrote:Hmmm, I think I'm starting to figure it out on my own, I'm just reaching a different conclusion.
Sorry for being a bit dense, but this is actually a super-interesting exchange that got totally snowed under in the HF-BH house of horror.
Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 12:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our dedicated fan Oatsmaster also writes in:
On March 07 2019 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote:
Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
This should make wriggles town to him right because he does the exact same things as wriggles
This is a funny point that was missed on my first read through. If Tubesock thinks my play looks the same as what I've been pointing out in his, then he should probably read me similarly to his own alignment. If he thinks that makes me look like mafia, that's probably that scum guilt eating him up inside. Oats didn't let that slip slip his attention. Bravo!
I'm trying to sort out this tangled up mess too. It just seems disingenuous to say this, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
Let me try rewording it, and Oats, TS and Wiggles correct me if this is what they thought:
Wiggles: cases TS with the following:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 11:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Tubesock fell off the face of the earth. Still scum though.
Got to pressure vote trfel near the start of the day and park the vote because the rest of us ran with a case. No posting into D2 means no pressure from the lynch fallout. Pushed the Palmar is scum thing early without needing to commit hard on it or later comment on HF's announcement of a Palmar lynch.
We've only gotten two reads out of TS on trfel and conversion and they've both flipped now. Besides that we have zero information on where their head's at, scum-hunting wise. Lurking without offering anything to town.
TS responds to this case saying that it doesn't feel right that Wiggles reads him as scum for this, as Wiggles has done exactly the same. Therefore if Wiggles is *town* he should realize that TS and he had the same behaviour and is therefore also town.
I don't actually see TS drawing conclusions from it, just saying that it's a bullshit case, at this point.
Oats chips in and says that it's weird, because if TS is town, and knows that the behaviour in the bullshit case comes from a townie, then he must see Wiggles as a townie.
I'm not sure I agree with that, because there is a major difference in their behaviour now:
Wiggles thinks tubesock's behaviour for which he was cased was scummy.
Tubesock just thinks that Wiggles exhibited the same behaviour, not that the behaviour is scummy.
So if TS scumreads Wiggles, it isn't for the behaviour itself (which he thinks he shares), but rather for the hipocrisy of finding that behaviour scummy. But I do see where Oats is coming from. He just read too much into it. My real issue is the follow-up from Wiggles that I quoted at the top:
At this point we have Wiggles scumming TS for behaviour that TS says was the same as his own, and we don't have TS scumming Wiggles, just pointing out the hipocrisy. Wiggles tunnels in on it and says "well, if you see this as scummy then you must be scum yourself". This just seems super disingenuous and Wiggles isn't really trying to figure out whether TS is scum or town, just paint him red and call it a day.
Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 12:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our next letter is quite unpleasant. The contents of if describe various threats of death and bodily harm to your host in graphic detail, and the letter also looks to be smeared with what appears to be excrement.
Though the signature is partially obscured by said foul substance, we can make out some of the letters: A--of-l-s.
Now, we have a suspicion of who this misguided individual could be, and so we'll be addressing this hate-mail.
+ Show Spoiler [Disturbing Letter to our Host] +On March 08 2019 06:25 A--of-l-s wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:58 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2019 05:50 A--of-l-s wrote:On March 08 2019 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Looks like Ill have to vote BH then to ensure this isnt another fuckup day.
Just look at wiggles first, please?
His posts where he talks to TS seem good to me. TS was like "If Im mayor, ill sheep HF", effectively avoiding to give out an opinion on anyone. WIggles picked up on that.
Third post he calls out like 3 or 4 dudes (you, sent, conversion) for not sticking their neck out, effectively sticking out his own.
Idk, just doesnt seem mafia to me. Also, he most likely was the first to catch TS, so kudos to him.
I can do any other player I have listed in my final list. And BH is the next one in it.
Ok. You're right. The interaction with TS is actually okay :/
But it's from this point onward that I just read mehhhh:
Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning.
"please tell me what to think, I'll get back" (never did)
Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 05 2019 05:44 Ace wrote:
Blazinghand don't get yourself lynched for bs. If you're town you just waste a day as there's no real discussion being generated regarding you, and it's an easy wagon for Scum to hop on.
Thank you! Felt like I was yelling into the wind
Claims he was advocating for BH being town (although I have no idea how Ace got there either), when he was advocating for a mayor to shiv BH rather than lynching him:
Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit
Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'll consolidate onto trfel, feels better than Conv to me right now.
I read rsoul town for what it's worth
Yeuchhhh
Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 12:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 05 2019 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyway, as much as tooting my own horn is super fun (man I was a goddamn all-star scum player---I think my winrate might have been better than HFs)---
I want to make this clear before I post a little on rsoul
We are lynching ONLY HF OR BH tomorrow.
The game can't proceed properly until that's done. Of those two, I'd rather HF die. Not sure if for personal/fun reasons or not, but whateva. I will not be pushing anyone else actively.
I'll be interested to see what you say about rsoul. Don't read her that way and would rather she doesn't catch a bullet.
Hopefully someone takes care of BH tonight. I get that HF needs to flip too. =/
"Please tell me what to think" take 2.
Nothing he did in D1 was to take solid stances. The very start of the game he was pressuring TS a bit, but dropped it when he got no support and it kinda just faded.
Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As much as I didn't like Conversion, Marv seems cool so far.
Not only is this a lie (he scummed trfel over conversion), but marv came in looking pretty townie. If wiggles is scum this is such a safe play! Gain easy town credit when later in the night you shank him. So fucking simple (and btw, I've done this).
Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 14:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Rayn, is your read on Acro still the same? You had him pegged as scum earlier.
I don't see it after the second half of the day and the reaction to the Palmar lynch. He's helping move the game forward in a useful way now, even if he's wrong about some things (like me)
"Please tell me what to think" take 3.
Then there's a lot of just generally just looking like he's saying stuff without actually saying stuff.
I mean. Do I have a sure read on Wiggles? No. Not really. He could just be a town that's really struggling with the length of the game. But I'm more confident that he's scum than I am that BH is. And for the rest I'm sure Palmar had a damned good reason to suddenly spam the thread with Wiggles is Mafia. He didn't do that with Sentinel, BC or HF. He read Wiggles filter and you can see the alarm bells go off in his head. He never really said why. But it's blendy shit and reads like a blendy mafia.
I have played a scumgame with Wiggles a looooong time ago, and remember bussing him at some point for being all blendy and lurky and stuff. Same as this play. But not sure I ever played with town Wiggles, so meta case is not a good case here.
Now this individual claims several times that your host is asking callers to tell him what to think about some of our other citizens, rather than making up his own mind. We can say that this is a patently false statement.
After our first interaction asking about esteemed citizen Acrofales (no relation to A--of-l-s, we hope), we made up our minds that we consider him to be of a green persuasion. See our lack of joining the mob looking to do him violence on Day 1. We later press Rayn (who we are suspicious of!) about their read of Acrofales (who again, we think is town). The case put forward by Rayn appears to be a bunch of hooey from our perspective, so we want to see if he'll double-down on it, which they have more than done throughout the night and this day cycle, even going so far as to avoid the other wagons.
rsoultin was another of our town reads, so any cases put forth to attempt to undermine or sway opinion to the contrary were of interest to us. This was especially important, because cases made and pushed throughout the night could persuade the vigilante element of our society to take things into their own hands. Many of our players are a little buck-wild, to put things lightly, so it was a valid concern.
Lastly, regarding our dearly departed suicidal team mate BH, we did not want to see a large wagon on him on D1. We felt that the wagons and votes of the day would provide information that would be useful, and that this would be subverted by having the entire town jump on a martyr who we could instead let the mayor take care of. We did not once claim a town read on BH, but have leaned null (early) to scum (recently). Regardless of BH's alignment the Day 1 wagon was very easy for scum to hop onto if they so desired without needing to put forward any contribution.
I really do like the flavour you're putting into these posts
I'm also starting to see some glimmers of town in you more recently, but your play still feels very off. I still agree with rsoul. It's very peanut gallery. You seem more invested than FF at least. But some things just don't add up. The tunnel on tubesock that nobody is paying any attention to is just so... easy.
Also the reasoning around hopping on the trfel wagon feels like feigned interest.
You can literally just go where the wind blows. There's some light pressure, a bit of a tunnel, and a lot of blehhhhhh. Enough to look interested, but not enough to actually contribute.
Conclusion: still
Wiggles But all you really need to know is, and I can't stress this enough:
On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote:
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it.
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Ac
eRead Jock's case. It's actually quite good. But mostly just read Ace's filter. He looks really clever and doing things, but 95% of his posts are coaching or berating people. I'm not going to say Ace wouldn't play like that as town, as he very well might. But as long as there wasn't really a lynch to move, scum felt no pressure to move any wagons. The top 6!!! lynch votes on D1 were all town. So scum just happily did nothing. And the king of doing nothing? Ace.
I also don't feel that his stance on HF gets him off. (1) nobody was actually paying much attention to him, and (2) a good bus is an important part of being scum. I don't have a clear reason to call him town, and Ace is a good enough player that that is dangerous.
Bloody
cobblerLike Ace, but remarkably I have some reasons to call him town: his anger may feel a bit fake, but the way he posts it just can't help but draw negative attention to himself. He shows up and berates everybody, then fucks off again. It feels like he's just antagonizing people for the sake of antagonizing them... and that isn't something scum generally do. Maybe BC does. I wouldn't know. Just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Chezinu
I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Sentinel
There's some damning stuff and some redeeming stuff in his filter. I needed to ask him something to start making sense of it. Until that time I can't make up my mind properly. But not playing at all is NAI as far as I'm concerned. So /shrug...
Onegu
AFK. No red flags in his few posts.
Pandain
Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
MZ
Didn't have time to filter.
Tictock
tubesock
Tumblewood
sicklucker
ExO_
darthfoley
Rels
For various reasons, these guys are probably town.
I didn't get around to making sense of the actives. My gut feelings and reads from yesterday haven't changed. For the record that is:
HolyflareNo matter the activity, you do scummy shit, you are scum.
RaynpelikoneetStuck in a tunnel on me. No clue what to make of it.
Grack
Mocsta
I read them as town last time I filtered him, but no clue really. Need to refilter
AlakaslamHasn't been doing much, but just a general townie feel to his posts.
WoS
Oats
Vivax
rsoultin
Jock
LS
Town for various reasons
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