EPTOn March 11 2019 08:15 Onegu wrote:
NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN POINTS FOR BEING ON THAT WAGON!!!
NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN POINTS FOR BEING ON THAT WAGON!!!
Why does 3p survivor Onegu give any shits about this?
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Why does 3p survivor Onegu give any shits about this? | ||
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In general, the log looks a bit lopsided with you posting most of the content, and him just sorta nodding along. | ||
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On March 15 2019 02:51 LightningStrike wrote: Take in mind some of was me talking in the qt to vent a little a some of it was to put my thoughts in the qt so I can engage with rels. Another thing to consider is that he generally been afk so ofc it will look more like me talking more than him due to that. Ok. Just walk me through your townread on Rels. | ||
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On March 15 2019 03:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I might swap Grack with Rels/FF but other than that I think your reads are spot on Acro. So you think you're null?  | ||
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I looked over onegu's filter and most of my reasons for scumreading him is his utter disinterest in finding scum. That is totally explainable as 3p. However, it's also totally explainable as scum. So here goes: If onegu is scum, see my previous post, and you just gotta kill him. If onegu is a survivor: Formula 1, nothing changes, except that instead of it being 5v2 after lynching 3 scum, its 4v2v1. Imho, always lynch onegu at this point, unless you caught a 4th scummer redhanded doing scummy-as-fuck stuff. Otherwise, you can't distinguish between 5v2 and 4v2v1, and lynching town in the 4v2v1 situation means town loses. Lynching the claimed 3p is a "safe play". He is definitely not town, as town doesn't claim 3p unless they want to lose the game, and he might just be scum trying to escape. Note that it isn't safe to lynch onegu the 3p *before* you get down to the single NK in this formula. Formula 2: Without a medic, we have already lost: 14-X vs X vs 1 11-X vs X - 1 vs 1 8-X vs X - 2 vs 1 5 - X vs X - 3 vs 1 If X = 4 this is endgame. So either FF blows up a scummer with a bomb (meaning scum are a bunch of fricking idiots) or we still have a medic floating about. In either case, if we get the medic save, it is never safe to lynch onegu the 3p. It is always necessary to lynch onegu the scum. At some point town is gonna have to decide what onegu is. Onegu the SK. This scenario just seems really really unlikely. Non-compulsive SKs are such a broken role that I don't think we got one. Which means that *either* the SK stacked KP 3 times, for which we only have circumstantial evidence on N1, or the scumteam has only 2 KP. Neither of these scenarios seems likely at all. So I'd rule out this scenario. Moreover, I actually checked the OP, and it says: The town's win condition: The town wins when all mafia are eliminated. This seems pretty clearcut. There is no malevolent 3p in the game, or this wincon wouldn't work. So onegu is not an SK. | ||
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THERE IS A SUPER ELEGANT SOLUTION FOR THIS IF YOU STILL HAVE YOUR BOMB. Place your bomb on Onegu. As long as both you and Onegu are alive, lynch the other scummers. If the game is down to 5-2 and both are still alive, you can lynch him safely. It either goes down to 4-1 or it was 4-2-1 to begin with, and goes down to standard lylo at 3-2 the next day. If you die and Onegu lives, he was 3p survivor with a bulletproof vest. If you die and Onegu flips, then we know what he was from the flip. | ||
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On March 15 2019 05:05 Vivax wrote: Actually it only makes sense from a scum perspective. No. Surviving a lunch is good for everyone except scum with another scum as the only viable counterteam. That wasn't the case and was the bit that I didn't think through at flip. But mostly I just wanted to save chezinu. Anyway, the counterwagon was totes town, so scum would always park their vote there "in self preservation" and not doing that is bad play as either alignment. So NAI. Anyway, going over Oats filter again. Maybe the whole scumteam is in there. Kill him tomorrow!!!! Do not waffle on this!!!! | ||
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I like Grackaroni's pointing out the wiggles exchange. I'm not sure it's awkward for the tone tho, and rather oats waffling on the read for no apparent reason. Definitely scrutinize wiggles tho. I mean, we do have a fantastic case from D1 and it needs to be looked into again after Oats flips. It's possible there's a real association there. Grack is almost certainly town for finding this. So move him to green. Other things: His one and only mention in the entirety of his filter of darthfoley is to chainsaw defend him from rsoultins list. It's weird. Not a single mention or interaction with exo. Calls SL scum for no apparent reason. Never interacts with him until a few hours ago, which is weird. Buddies the fuck out of me and I 100% fell for it. If we're going off oats associations alone, onegu is probably 3p. DISCLAIMER: Associations work a LOT better the other way round. FIRST flip Oats, who's scum for his association with BC as well as a lot of other reasons laid out in dead peoples' lists. Then look into the other side of these words interactions. | ||
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On March 15 2019 06:47 Rels wrote: Your "breadcrumb" is only 30 hours old? Why not post one at the start of the game? This looks like not a breadcrumb but an afterthought, were you already a serious lynch candidate 30 hours ago? I need to check the timing This is a good point. | ||
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On March 15 2019 06:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay so if you wanna talk about association, why don’t I do that in every scum game? I clearly don’t I don't know why you aren't always awkward with your scum buddies. You don't really have to be. Why are you so awkward with BC this game? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles thought he had left his life as a small-time crook behind him. There was some nasty business with Palmar, but he had fled the city and set up shop as a small-town radiohost, getting away from it all. And he truly was repentant for his sins, trying to make up for it by entertaining Liquidia with a late-night radio show. The town of Liquidia loved him for it. Alas, it was not to last. After former associate Oatsmaster fingered him for the murder on rsoultin, Ace, and a long list of others, he could no longer hide. Repenting his sins he accepted his punishment and was hung from the highest tree in town. @TOWN this is me just having fun while I'm still alive. I will try to go through Wiggles filter and decide if he's scum, but I doubt I really have time for it. His radioshow is too entertaining for him to be scum  Although Palmar has no doubt been yelling at us from the obs qt all game now. | ||
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On March 15 2019 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Ya maybe we just kill Onegu lol NO. KILL OATS Have FF bomb Onegu and let scum deal with them. If FF dies without clarifying he still has a bomb, still lynch Oats first. There isn't much reason in Onegu's filter to scumread him other than his apathy. And having played survivor, it really really really does make you apathetic. It's a boring role (see Dota 2). And mine actually had a twist where I had to not only survive, but also kill my counterpart, which makes being a survivor a bit less boring, but I had that done by like D2 or so. Was very easy. Now survivors are still dangerous at 2v1v1 lylo (or any other lylo with a difference of 1), and I wouldn't trust Onegu further than I can throw him. But if you lynch him tomorrow and he IS a survivor, town loses. Oats is certainly scum. DF very probably too. And then there's SL, and if the associations with Wiggles are actually there, then him too. Those are all better targets than Onegu until you can safely get rid of him (if scum kp is formula 1 and you reach 5v2 or 4v2v1). | ||
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Those medic dodges :O | ||
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On March 15 2019 08:11 Mocsta wrote: correct ploy DF is scum. I dont need to check him. I mean, I agree that you don't need to check him. But... you claimed you did. | ||
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##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On March 15 2019 11:52 Alakaslam wrote: Acrofales: Why am i drawing your attention to this? I have no idea. Because nobody has taken control of this boat? Or because you think scum is captaining the boat? Or because you really want to be in charge of rations? Anyway, back to task. I don't trust Mocsta's claim, rescinding it, or any of the reasoning around it. DF is probably scum, from my read through yesterday, but Oats is a sure thing. We need a sure thing. So sheep me onto Oats! | ||
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On March 15 2019 16:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Also yeah I’m down for an onegu lynch I don’t think it’s lylo, just because 4 mislynches is really punishing for town Math me up, scumboi. How many scum are there and how do the KP work to make it not-lylo? | ||
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