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@rels: thanks for posting the transcripts. I'm still not sure why you got so angry about rsoul posting your role. You didn't use the QT much before she blurted it out in the thread and this seems like a totally cool reason for telling the chat:
rsoultinPerson was signed in when posted
03-07-2019
04:05 AM ET (US)
Yeah, so you should check the thread. I told everyone about the QT and the way you've handled things makes me think you're scum -shrugs- It really feels like you just expected me to townread you off this. I gave you a lot of time to start talking about literally anything unprompted and only your grack read sort of comes close.
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What exactly made you so upset? You say betrayed, but I don't see how. Care to elaborate on why the QT being outed even affects at all how you can use it?
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Rels
03-07-2019
03:07 PM ET (US)
but IDK
it was my role
I wanted to create a secret town club and win the last game of TL like that. Would have been awesome
Anyway, if this is somehow a scum tool for finding sentinel, rels' use seems weird. Did he think rsoultin might be the traitor? Don't really see why from her filter. So if this was the scum tool for that he either went and used it in his own way, or was playing badly.
I'm back to this being a pretty townie use of the neighborizer role. Still not too sure of Rels, but the exchange we had yesterday made me lean more towards town, and I don't think the use of the QT was somehow scummy either.
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On March 11 2019 19:59 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:56 Tictock wrote:
I think Meap or Wiggles would be fantastic follow up lynches tomorrow. For sure one if not both of them are mafia.
How did you reason this? Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Ace, you know Acro explained his claimed role, right? On March 10 2019 06:04 Acrofales wrote:On March 10 2019 05:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Acro, are you able to share the details of your role?
Is it based on a list of lurkers that you're just given, or were you told the criteria for inclusion on the list? Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead. I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p I think that "it" in the bolded is supposed to be an "or". Assuming that came in the role PM, which I'm guessing because of Acro saying he complained about it N1 because he couldn't shoot, then the choice of shots on N2 is completely not alignment indicative, but are simply the people who didn't vote or had under 5 posts. The role doesn't appear to care about alignment, just activity. In that sense I read it a lot more as a mod tool to handle inactivity by putting it in a player's hands as compared to simply mod-killing immediately. It's not inherently pro or anti town, looking at it that way. Now, if you want to make a case that Acro's not telling the truth about the role somehow, then that's another thing. Seems like a really weird thing to lie about though, as either alignment, so I don't think that's happening here. On the flip side, I don't see having the role as alignment indicative, could easily be given to scum or town, so I wouldn't use it to influence my read. Same thing goes for some of the other claims. I know he explained it. I just don't see how it fits into the game. And yes I made that case earlier, as his role claim isn't the only thing about him that makes him a prime suspect. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like acro completely didn’t need to claim here, his shot was anonymous and yeah cmon. Ace proposing nonsense and not thinking this through is super scummy Sure lol. Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Our brave Dead Zone Show intern took this call a few minutes ago: On March 11 2019 13:58 Mocsta wrote:
Deadzone wiggles.
I would contest its a scum-favoured role.
Even if the entire scum team did not vote *OR* posted less than 5 times.
There would probably be a higher total of townies that are also eligible.
Thats the beauty, it sounds so good at face value. If it was this great, TL would have implemented the role as a deterrent yonks ago.
Anyhow, if you wouldnt use it to influence your read, where do you currently stand on acro?
Coming in to D3, your hosts have been reading Acrofales as being a contributing member of our green society. We did not care as much for his play today (D3), but he did tell us beforehand that he would be spending the weekend sailing. We expect that he was undertaking this boating trip for pleasure, and not to drop someone off for a long swim in cement shoes. Our current bomb threat situation remains unresolved. The madman Chezinu is still on the loose, but the manhunt for him did have a happy outcome as Liquidia police snagged wanted criminal [UoN]Sentinel. Sentinel had been a longtime member of Liquidia town council until he was recently indicted on charges of accepting bribes from local criminal elements and embezzling public funds. A warrant was put out for his arrest, but he had managed to evade arrest until his recent discovery. Liquidia will surely be a safer place with Sentinel off the streets. This post is awesome haha Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 17:08 Acrofales wrote:I PM'd Kita for clarification on the traitor role, but he won't say more than in the flip post. Mafiascum has this, which doesn't really help at all sure to the caveat: Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them. On this forum, godfather is considered normal, so who knows what a "normal" traitor is here: we're following Kita's playbook, which seems like a bastard version of "normal". Anyway, seem dangerous to do any association reading for sentinel. As for my role, Ace and mocsta are being idiotic. In what works does mafia ever want to shoot inactives? So either you think I'm lying about how my role works, or you aren't using your brain. Mocsta, Ace, do you think I'm lying about my role? If one of the currently inactive players is a future threat ie not currently posting because of real life things but will do so in the future.
Hmm, ok. And you think I shot damdred for that reason?
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On March 11 2019 20:05 Ace wrote:Wiggles, Oats. I'd like to see your comments on the rest of the ideas instead of singling out only the role claim aspect. Specifically two parts: 1.) What do you think about the Town claiming this much KP in the absence of other roles as of now? 2.) My Acro accusation is not solely based on his role claim. It's part of the thinking behind the effort used to kill Iamp. That original post can be found here: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27291154Show nested quote +Go back to Night 1. We now know there was a scum roleblocker in BC. Some combination of 2 KP hit iamperfection or he was RB + shot. Either way it shows a concerted effort to get this guy out of the game. Here are his posts referencing people as Scum on Day 1 that are sill alive: Onegu On March 05 2019 08:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:54 Onegu wrote:
Aright LS..
##Vote: Rsoultin obvious mafia what are you doing On March 05 2019 09:44 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 09:43 Onegu wrote:
Dont vigi me I know I didnt do much but I am green! you need to die too On March 05 2019 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
Onegu not caring about the lynch coming back and really only talking about Raoul is extremely scummy. Probably because he is scum
Vivax On March 06 2019 03:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 02:59 Vivax wrote:
Basically he let BH off the hook way too easily for it to be town iamp.
"if BH doesn't get lynched TL mafia is ded"
to
'"Let's vote the guy who's going to kill Palmar" Why are you misrepresenting what happened. I screamed at every player in the game to vote bh. It's clear I'm town and you not being able to see that is extremely confusing as we've played a few games together. My play is basically the opposite of my scum play in this game Now of these 2 Vivax would be my best guess. Partially because my Day 1/2 had me pushing HF, and I ended up Townreading BC and Vivax out of confirmation bias. BC flipped scum. Vivax flipping scum for "agreeing" with my arguments wouldn't be surprising at all. However, there's a 3rd player that's really, really confusing. On March 06 2019 03:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:51 Acrofales wrote:I mean, BH is gonna have to die or we're just gonna have this conversation til the end of days. But On March 05 2019 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, sorry for the poor performance guys. Exo is either more perceptive than most of you, or scum looking for post flip cred, for talking to me like I'm town. Same with Ace.
I really didn't expect the thread to balloon so much. Thabks for killing me early, this is a good plynch. Good luck everyone, and have fun! This while useless seems like a VT who doesn't want to play, and not like a scummer who doesn't want to play. He's at least dropping *some* kinda info there. Note that this was pretty much simultaneous with Conversions shenanigans, so unless they are scum together (a possibility that we shouldn't disregard and why we need the flip), BH really thought he was getting lynched here, and this is his "last words". He says nothing in that post what are you talking about. What are you reading On March 06 2019 03:45 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:44 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 03:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2019 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 06 2019 02:58 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
In case it got buried,vivax you need to explain why Iamp is top scum read. I'm not finding much aside from one recent post. If I had a word to describe town iamp, it'd be something like crusader against bullshit. He played the part pretty well yesterday when BH came back into the thread, but not for long enough to warrant that name since he decided to kill Palmar by voting HF over himself instead. Well that's....pretty damning? hmm. Ok yeah going to need something from iamp on this. I can't for the life of me understand why he voted for HF. How has nobody brought this up yet? Jesus. Scummy post from you though. seems like you know hf is mafia? When did you get so bad at this game? Trying to bait me? Well. You made a big bad case on me. That was bad. Then you helped get Palmar killed for bad reasons. I even told you I went back and read his filter trying to read it as scum and couldn't, yet you just persisted and nailed him to the cross (holyflare might have dragged him up there, but you sure as shit helped hammer the nails in). So if you're town, please stop being bad. We kinda need the help. I don't trust you And of course, iamp's only vote On March 04 2019 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
##mayor: iamperfection
##vote: acrofales
Now this is where things are pretty crazy. There are 3 things that may be purely circumstance that paint Acro as scum. 1.) Iamp's posts and vote. Of course he was town in retrospect, but I really do believe he died for being correct about someone. The only thing that saves Acro imo is Scum having 4 conditional KP is wild. He could instead be 3rd party but let's put that on the backburner for now. 2.) On Day 2 someone asked me to read their case on Acro. I didn't find it convincing but I do faintly remember it being spoken about by others. Specifically I think it was rayne who asked me to comment on it but I didn't. Acro being anti-town and wanting them dead isn't out of the realm of possibility. 3.) That role claim. I just can't get around it existing in that form if it possibly end up targeting only Town players. One of chez/Pandain would have to be scum if his role is true. And I'd expect Acro to push one super hard off the damdred flip. It could be purely circumstance that Acro falls into the puzzle like this but I doubt it. And reading his posts Day 2 and Day 3 they don't really scream scum that hard. Tricky shit :D
You calling it effort seems weird, as I don't see anywhere that Lamp even hinted at being a veteran. I am exceptionally bad at sniffing out blues (I just don't pay attention to that shit at all as either alignment), but have gone over his filter a few times looking for stuff where that might be hidden in plain sight, but I got nothing. So either: scum had some information that I don't (e.g. there's a second neighborizer that somehow got Lamp to trust him, or really did do a most excellent bluesnipe), or, and more likely, they just got lucky: RBing your kills is relatively standard practice, so they had a 1/3 chance of RBing the veteran.
There is a very wacko outside chance that Tumblewood is an SK and also wanted to kill Lamp, and they just got lucky with the stacking KP. But Tumblewood's claim doesn't look like an SK, as he will have to hide his KP from that point onwards, and it just seems like a really dumb play to claim vig without any reason. Only worth revisiting this if scum has too much KP going forward.
That said, I do agree that a player-controlled modkill (lurker vig), a normal vig, a dayvig and a hatter is probably too much KP for town, so something is weird here.
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On March 11 2019 20:53 Pandain wrote:
Acro were you required to shoot day2 or did you have a choice to save your shot
Could have saved, but I was expecting to die. Was quite surprised I didn't.
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As for why damdred, here's where I look at what I thought of the 3 guys I could shoot in N2:
On March 08 2019 19:26 Acrofales wrote:
Reading through Damdred's filter gives me a big fat nothingburger. So he's scum.
On March 09 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote:
Chezinu
I can't get a read on him one way or the other, and he has stopped playing entirely.
Pandain
Host wifom reasons to read him town. Beyond that no clue really.
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On March 11 2019 05:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Ace (9): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, sicklucker, Ticktock, [UoN]Sentinel, LightningStrike, Acrofales
Chezinu (6): Alakaslam, Tumblewood, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Grackaroni, Onegu
Tubesock (1): Mr. Wiggles
Mr. Wiggles (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (6): ExO_, Tubesock, Pandain, darthfoley, Mocsta, Ace
Ace is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, Mar 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
This was the situation 2 1/2 hours before the deadline. Note the 0 votes on sentinel
On March 11 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Three final Vote Count
[UoN]Sentinel (10): Pandain, Grackaroni, Mocsta, Ace, Ticktock, Acrofales, LightningStrike, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Meapak_Ziphh
Ace (7): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, [UoN]Sentinel, darthfoley, Vivax
Chezinu (4): Alakaslam, Fecalfeast, Onegu, sicklucker
Not voting (2): ExO_, Tubesock
[UoN]Sentinel is lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Sunday, Mar 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
That is at the deadline. That is a huge shift and I think we can definitely get some information from there. There wasn't really anything new on sentinel, per se. My general "feel" of the thread was that nobody seemed particularly keen on lynching Ace or Chez, so we just kinda got a last-minute wagon going on sentinel, starting with Pandain putting him forward with this:
+ Show Spoiler [Pandain starting the mood change in th…] +On March 11 2019 04:53 Pandain wrote:
The crux of the Ace case is that he voted HF as an attempt to push him for a lynch the following day, and that he is not as active as other players.
The problem with the first point is that Ace was actively arguing both nights for HF to be vigi'd. If you are saying that this was all a "set-up", then he was actively trying to ruin that same setup. I also don't believe the second point to be important. I think he's made great points the whole time, and has been a hell of a lot more obvious and useful than other people with far greater post counts.
I also don't really agree with the Chezinu lynch. I'll admit I can never really read the guy, but you guys are lynching him over the counter claim right? How do we know he's not actually a mad hatter? Is two mad hatters that crazy? It's pretty obvious to me with three vig's and a backup cop that this is not a normal game. Kita probably wanted to go out with a bang and two mad hatters would be perfect with that.
Chezinu definitely could be scum, but he's not the first person I would lynch.
I'm still going through other filters based on the votes the past two days and will be suggesting someone. Anyone else uncomfortable with these votes and want to start a new one? On March 11 2019 05:46 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 01:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Holyflare (10): Tubesock, Alakaslam, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, BloodyC0bbler, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel
Palmar (8): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion
Here are the votes from when the holyflare-palmar mayor was closest. At this point, it was known that HF wanted to lynch Palmar. I went through everyone's filter on holyflare's wagon, and was looking specifically for someone who voted for HF but then later criticized and wanted to lynch him for doing exactly what he said he would do. Of these, Alakaslam, Ace, Sentinel, all are guilty of this. This is highly highly suspicious, contradictory, and makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective. I think we should be lynching out of these three. I'm giving Ace a pass for the moment because he heavily argued for HF to be vigi'd during both nights, and otherwise is posting pretty townie (even if infrequent). I would put heavy bets on Alakaslam and Sentinel both being mafia. Furthermore, Sentinel is particuarly guilty of: 1. Being pretty active day 1 but never commenting on if he thought Palmar is scum or not. Considering that he is voting for HF, that he himself had different scum reads but never tried to convince HF, this is a huge red flag. 2. Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF.
##Vote: Holyflare Sentinel calls HF "outright malicious", when he himself voted for him and never tried to change his view. Huge cognitive dissonance. 3. Had a huge town read on Ace last night and then comes in, votes Ace, and leaves immediately. After getting called out he says he will "explain later." Any townie would at least write something about why they did a complete 180; from my perspective he messed up with his fake viewpoints and didn't know how to justify. Some credit/blame for the mood swing also goes to Wiggles, because he also didn't want to lynch Ace or Chez.
I'd say that the way this wagon went down would make Pandain confirmed town if Sentinel was something other than traitor. As is, we need two separate lines of analysis. See below for thoughts. First we only have the timeline events.
After Pandain makes the case and votes, things go quite fast, with really only one vote going the other way. It's worth noting that the first votes are NOT people voting for Ace, but just generally undecideds.
Noteable events:
- Ace makes a long rambly post to save his ass, and it ends with wanting to lynch sentinel... who gained traction in the time he took to write the post:
On March 11 2019 06:35 Ace wrote:
Lol I just finished that long post, checked vote thread, and see 3 ppl voted Sent before me. Fuck if he flips Town I'm gonna look scummy :/
Didn't flip town, but flipped "maybe scum didn't know he was scum too". Timestamp on Pandain's vote: 05:46. Timestamp on Ace's long post: 06:34, aka 48 minutes later. Did it take Ace 48 minutes to write this post? Or was he reading thread sentiment and going whatever which way to save his bacon? Good question. I don't have an answer. He was definitely not writing the case at the start of the wagon tho, as this is already 5 minutes after Pandain makes his case and votes:
On March 11 2019 05:51 Ace wrote:Wow a guy goes afk for a day and there's a lynch train  Rels, you're reading me way off. Iirc your first point of contention with me had to do with HF. I clearly admitted I read him wrong before he died. I also think you should be thinking about the motives behind those NKs. I had no serious heat on me from Rayn/Wos/Rsoul/ (the 3 non vigi shots). Even if they were HFs defenders as scum I would still need to convince people to lynch him next day. I did not. Once I saw the BC flip I instantly townread HF. In fact I think if anyone looks bad for those nightkills, it's you. You had QT interaction with 2 of them did you not?
- TT is the first who is not an undecided, but already had his vote on Ace to start swaying the other way:
On March 11 2019 06:45 Tictock wrote:
Anyone else around to rock the boat on today's snooze fest Chez v Ace lynch and wanna join this Sential train for Town Glory?
The reasoning seems... funny. He just got into the thread after earlier agreeing to lynch ace, and calls it a snooze fest, which he wants to rock the boat on. I did go further back through his filter and he was definitely scumreading sentinel, so it's not outright scummy, but it is weird reasoning here.
- DF is the only guy to flip the other way in the middle of this:
On March 11 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote:
Bah bah black sheep mode initiated. Don’t have the energy or time to think for myself this cycle. Acro I follow your lead wheresver it take me
#Vote: Ace
Note that he doesn't actually do that: he only follows me onto Ace, not when I hop to sentinel a bit later. Really scummy? Or really lazy town? Gotta reread DF.
- Two contrary players try to get a slam train on the road: tumblewood and sicklucker. Not quite sure what's going on with that. Tumblewood consolidates before day's end, and I don't actually mind this reasoning:
On March 11 2019 07:11 Tumblewood wrote:+ i think there is a lot to learn from a chaotic deadline. i will consolidate if it's not happening and there are less than ten minutes left, but fuck it i'm voting + Show Spoiler +gonna feel like such a scrub if he's town
Sicklucker, however, is a different story: he also gives up on slam, but still shows he really doesn't want to lynch either ace or sentinel (despite being on the ACE wagon earlier when it was Ace vs Chezinu)... and instead hops off from wanting to kill slam to voting right alongside him on an irrelevant wagon. Very weird behaviour from SL here. Will filter dive him before night's end, but this voting behaviour looks like scum to me.
- The hammer belongs to LightningStrike:
On March 11 2019 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
fuck it witching to Sent I was getting cold feet on Ace dunno if it's because of his reputation or what. Sent is the better lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
The reasoning is very similar to mine just a few minutes earlier, so gonna call him town for this.
- Vivax tries to get the Ace lynch back on the road:
On March 11 2019 07:51 Vivax wrote:
It's not even about Sentinel, it's about how people like Grack and TT show a pinpoint burst of effort I haven't seen before in this game.
I don't actually mind the reasoning. Chezinu wagon is completely irrelevant at this point, and he chooses between sentinel and ace. If ace is town and scum knows sentinel is the traitor, this is a scum panic move tho. Too much wifom for me at this point to say anything much about this.
Open questions:
@Grack: mind taking your color pencils to this list you said is a town lynch:
On March 11 2019 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:
If this is the wagon of a scum lynch then I'll happily take the egg on my face and adjust my reads accordingly but I really doubt it.
Ace (9): Oatsmaster, Rels, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, LightningStrike, Acrofales, darthfoley
In general, I need some work from you.
On March 11 2019 07:14 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 07:13 Tumblewood wrote:On March 11 2019 07:09 Tictock wrote:On March 11 2019 07:07 Pandain wrote:
I'm down with lynching Slam but I think Sentinel is worse for the reasons I posted earlier. I don't think others are there quite yet. Sent lynch will overall give us more info in the case he flips scum. Some good associative reads can probably be built. Slam would be removing a question mark. I'd keep my vote on Sent every time. what do you think you will learn if sent flips town/mafia? If Sent flips mafia then the Palmar mayor vote gives a lot of info.
Gogogo Remember we need to take both scenarios into account: scum knows sentinel is one of them, and scum has no clue who the traitor is (or even that there is one? presumably traitor does affect KP, but with this weird setup, who knows)
What do we learn from this:
1. Pandain is town. Reason:
Ace and Padain are not scum together. If they were, that coordination of the lynch diversion would be a lot smoother. No way they have Pandain make a case, and then Ace makes his "huge case" half an hour later. So this makes Pandain quite confidently town, because if he's scum, and Ace isn't, there is NO POINT AT ALL in trying to divert the lynch. Ace might still be scum.
Sorry for the hard townread at night 
2. The what-ifs:
Case 1: Scumteam knows sentinel is scum:
This makes TT and LS quite confidently town. Even if Ace is scum, he'd have to have an important role to bother pushing the lynch from him onto another scummer. It also makes people trying to divert the wagon look like shit: DF, TW, SL are very suspect in this case. Especially DF and SL.
Case 2: Scumteam has no idea about sentinel:
This one is harder, because it diverges again into two different cases:
Case 2A: Ace is scum
In this case, this was an opportunistic lynch, when the wagon on sentinel started forming, they used this to save their buddy. I'd especially suspect those that had stood on the sidelines up until this point: Grack and Mocsta really just sorta hopped on after hanging on other wagons all day. TT, LS and myself obviously get egg on our faces too.
Case 2B: Ace is town
In this case, scum doesn't really give a shit. They might get adventurous and try to stay off both wagons, but I don't think they really give a shit. Mostly it's down to vote reasons here, and DF and SL look most suspect here.
So, will be looking a lot closer into SL and DF with what remains of the night. I also think a similar analysis for the Palmar mayor wagon is interesting and look forward to Grack doing this 
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On March 11 2019 23:08 Onegu wrote:
Acre forgot me.
I did. I thought you weren't around at all, but you were and being a rebel for no reason. So add yourself to the wtf wagon for not obviously scummy reasons.
I also missed MZ's late vote. I figured Wiggles' double down on the hammer looked pretty townie, but no clue what to make of that MZ vote. Add him in with DF and SL for more reading.
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On March 11 2019 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
Nice post acro
Im a bit confused abkut tictock
Your quote and analysis doesnt marry with the conclusion?
What makes him town?
Pandain gets the sentinel wagon rolling, and people start jumping on.
45 minutes later, Ace makes a save-his-butt case on sentinel.
There are 4 possible cases here, right?
Both scum:
This would be pants-on-head level coordination, where pandain sticks his neck out to save Ace's butt, and then Ace goes and echoes similar points after the wagon is already rolling. If sentinel flips town, they are now *both* under heavy suspicion. I guess they could use sentinel as a bus target to save both their butts if they knew he was scum, but why bus off Ace and onto sentinel? But even for a bus this is badly coordinated. So chance of pandain and Ace both being scum is pretty tiny.
Pandain scum and Ace town: instead of pandain just hopping on to lynch a random townie he makes a big case to either lynch a less impressive townie or bus a scum... AFTER he already did his big play to dayvig HF. He's read as town by almost everyone, so why on earth do this! Just sheep and lynch Ace for the ez win.
Pandain town, Ace scum: possible.
Pandain and Ace both town: also possible..
Conclusion: Pandain is town.
As for why I didn't put that at the top? Because I was busy analysing when I realized that and had already forgotten I had written stuff about Pandain at the top.
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On March 11 2019 23:42 Mocsta wrote:
Hi acro
Nice reply
That bit makes sense. Although i was asking about ticktock
In the quotes u analyse his play as weird. Maybe town. Mahbe not.
In thr conclusion he was put as likely town
Im wondering what part of the analysis drew u towards a more definite town read.thanks
Well, TT (and LS) only gets town points if scum knows sentinel is one of them. In that case, I don't see a reason for TT to swap wagons. I guess if Ace is a power role, and they chat about it in the QT and decide to bus the fuck out of sentinel to save ace's butt? But then you'd think TT would come in with something more forceful than his super hesitant stuff. So TT being so non-committal about his voteswitch makes sense for scum only if they think sentinel is town.
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@SL:
On March 03 2019 08:18 sicklucker wrote:
Not sure about oats but i think its more likely people forgot how oats played mafia when hes trying. Nothing really stood out for me
Read progression please. You have insight on Oats?
Other than that, there's a few red flags in SL's filter, but overall he seems too bouncy and all over the place to be scum. I don't really know SL's scumgame at all, but I get the feeling from his filter that he's playing the town game and happy to be doing so.
Main red flag:
On March 03 2019 16:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 13:13 Conversion wrote:On March 03 2019 11:26 Palmar wrote:
So this is not a joke, I am going to do nothing but vote Sentinel until he comes in to the thread and says "I have read my role PM". Just pile votes on him because he's playing a strategy that's only advantageous to mafia. wait what the fuck its not a joke bro. + Show Spoiler +makes me think townie palmar for now
Ends up voting HF for mayor:
On March 05 2019 10:20 sicklucker wrote:
i feel pretty dumb voting hf for mayor now I didnt think he was killing palmar at the time which is insanely stupid in a game with so many anti towners. if marv plays good and obv town ill happily sheep him
HF was nothing if not obvious about what he was going to do. Even if you don't think he's serious, if you have a strong townread on Palmar (strong enough to mention it anyway, which is more than he did for anyone except LS... and maybe rsoul). SL was there for at least part of that push, so why is he still voting HF?
Minor red flag: has a scumread on conversion, but is all chummy with marv on N1.
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Pfffffff. Not liking DF. He started off okay, but he doesn't actually do much. He's exactly active enough to fly under the radar.
Big bleehhhhhhh. Add the throw-away vote by sheeping me for no apparent reason, and we've got ourselves someone who is not caring about the game at all.
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On March 12 2019 04:01 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 03:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
For the record I should be keeping my bomb target secret, correct? Yes keep it secret until like 1 minute before EoN.
Actually keep it secret until after the deadline. Don't take any risk of them 2-for-1ing you.
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On March 12 2019 04:50 Vivax wrote:
Town would have 3 KP with hatter, one night and one day vig.
If acrofales is anything, he's the serial killer. Cause having a lurker-only vig sounds like a completely made up thing.
You're right on one part, my role IS a made-up role, made up by kita. I'm not an SK. I'll prove it by not killing anyone for the rest of the game
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@pandain: you have time to look at DF's filter?
I'll look at slam. Gotta do MZ first tho.
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On March 12 2019 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 05:08 Pandain wrote:On March 12 2019 05:02 Acrofales wrote:
@pandain: you have time to look at DF's filter?
I'll look at slam. Gotta do MZ first tho. His filter is huge and full of spam. You will get lost. Just pay attention to my points. It's obvious tells and he needs to he lynched. Unfortunately no im literally leaving in a minute. Maybe I will be back in time. From memory he's basically inactive. Good possible lynch but short of a bombshell in his filter wouldn't lynch him tomorrow DF's filter is 4 pages long and you call that huge? My filter must be a size of a T-Rex for you than lol......
He was talking about slam.
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Yeah, so MZ isn't around. Shame. He's probably scum. Not because he's afk right now, but because he:
1. He was active D1 and his spreadsheet looked really good, but he hasn't updated it.
2. He was afk at the end of the day, but was very active immediately post-flip. Seeing as all wagons were town, town doesn't want to rock the boat. Being "afk" is pretty safe for that.
3. He hard town read HF and BH, but never really made an effort to push anything else.
4. Did nothing all the next day, came in right at the end and threw his vote on sentinel at the end of everything and his vote barely mattered anymore.
Behavior is pretty typical of lurkscum. Would lynch.
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Sooo... haven't reread anybody I scumread yesterday, but wiggles started looking better and better during the day. Fecalfeast claimed hatter. Haven't sorted that or chezinu's similar claim out yet. Town doesn't have two hatters, so that's a pretty important task for tomorrow.
At first glance, FF's claim is more specific and more credible so far, but it needs a lot more digging.
Tentatively, Id say scum are:
MZ
DF
Chezinu
Maybe scum:
FF
Ace
Null/didn't read:
Slam
Onegu
Tubesock
Exo
Wiggles
Mocsta
Lean town:
TT
Jock
Grack
Rels
TW
SL
Town:
Oats
LS
Vivax
Pandain
Acro
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Wow. TW and I don't agree on much
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Wtf is going on with the NKs?!
Well played TW, Ace and TT.
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