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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 02 2019 23:59 GMT
#893
On March 03 2019 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
if sent honestly hasnt read his role pm then he really should die because of competitive integrity

If I'm VT I lose nothing by not knowing I'm VT. By the laws of probability I'm probably VT though which is why I have a town read on myself rn

If I'm blue I don't see any role that requires me knowing I'm blue during the daytime

If I'm red I have this habit of knowing too much D1 and getting caught pretending I don't know too much. The only way I can really screw that up is if it's a tight race between a town and a scum candidate to be lynched and I accidentally pick my teammate to be lynched, but if it gets close to that I can always read my PM

That said we're far out from deadline and the only way I can make sense of day one is when people are trying to kill me so until then I'm going to find scum and hope I'm not scum myself.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 00:00 GMT
#894
On February 28 2019 10:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I will be here but I probably won't get around to reading my role PM until N1

It's not like this was a surprise or anything
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 00:03 GMT
#895
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong.

Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong.

It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here.

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It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads.
In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town?


So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion.

The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town.

SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??

I don't understand your scum read on HF. He started the game joking around and then got more serious over time. You quoted posts from the former. He claims he's now switching to the latter. What's the inconsistency?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 00:06 GMT
#897
On March 03 2019 09:05 Tumblewood wrote:
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On March 03 2019 09:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 28 2019 10:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I will be here but I probably won't get around to reading my role PM until N1

It's not like this was a surprise or anything

no but it is kinda cheating. large advantage if you are mafia

How is this an advantage
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 00:42 GMT
#901
On March 03 2019 09:38 Palmar wrote:
Oh wait we have a mayor thing.

I am running for mayor

Who would you lynch and why
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 00:50 GMT
#904
On March 03 2019 09:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 03 2019 09:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 03 2019 09:38 Palmar wrote:
Oh wait we have a mayor thing.

I am running for mayor

Who would you lynch and why

You are actually a muppet

Who would you lynch and why

I'm still waiting for a less idiotic take on HF
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 00:52 GMT
#906
On March 03 2019 09:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 03 2019 09:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 03 2019 09:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 03 2019 09:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 03 2019 09:38 Palmar wrote:
Oh wait we have a mayor thing.

I am running for mayor

Who would you lynch and why

You are actually a muppet

Who would you lynch and why

I'm still waiting for a less idiotic take on HF

Because he’s oh so townie or what?

Because in my eyes you haven't supplied nearly enough evidence to call him hard red in order for me to believe he's hard red
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 02:46 GMT
#936
On March 03 2019 11:34 Palmar wrote:
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On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.

There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.

Getting rid of trash on a day with no information = no further information besides whether or not said trash was scum or town

I'm not reading my PM, pile those votes on
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 18:43 GMT
#1232
Current list of thoughts. I'll try to keep myself from repeating takes but I didn't write these in order so I might occasionally say the same thing twice, especially if I'm commenting on another player's analysis of a third player.

1) Onegu
Onegu's contributions to the thread have been pretty lacking. Up to now all his contributions have been joke reads. But that also seems par for the course for Onegu. I looked at a grand total of two other games for comparison. In Hurricane Shelter he was town and posted like he does now. In Names are Hard 2 he was scum and posted a bunch of reads. So I guess he looks town for now

2) Fecalfeast
The good news is there's one theme in his filter and it's "I want to find scum and lynch them". Red reads on chezinu and LS.

3) Holyflare
Massive fucking filter. I'm going to skip to the end where he talks to people who aren't me, about me. HF was the first one to accuse me of foul play. Palmar took it and ran from there. Slam has said that already but I'll repeat it here. What I like about HF is at least on the surface his play seems honest

On March 04 2019 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 04 2019 00:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 04 2019 00:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 23:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Going to put a place holder vote on myself and voting Palmar for mayor since I think it's the best option.


Why is palmar the best option? What alignment do you think I am?

He's the best option for mayor because he willing to get rid of a question mark in Sent who I think is just a policy lynch. Dunno about your alignment you're too good I was hoping you and Tina would try to talk to each other.


So why are you not voting me as mayor when i want to mayor vote Sentinel?


On March 04 2019 00:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 03 2019 04:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
I will lynch sentinel this cycle with a mayor vote by the way. Not only are his posts pointless blending but if you want an excuse for a policy lynch he is it.

A good ploicy lynch yes but would rather lynch a for certain scum though over policy lynching someone.


You even contradict yourself here. Now you're willing to allow a mayor to policy lynch sentinel?


in that whole chain he holds LS accountable for sheeping

On March 04 2019 00:55 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 04 2019 00:41 Tictock wrote:
On March 03 2019 18:18 Holyflare wrote:
On March 03 2019 13:24 Tictock wrote:
I would rather elect Palmar and have him lynch Sentinel


Yea the more I think about it, lets do this.

##Elect: Palmar


I think having everyone lynch Sent would be a bit of a waste of Day 1 voting as he is kinda a coinflip (and we might get better information via a different lynch and resulting voting patterns), but am totally down with the Mayor killing him.


Imagine not reading the thread and supporting the guy who has made one or two posts to be mayor when there is someone with a lot of posts advocating the same mayor lynch.


Clearly from my posts, and from me not reading, I did not know what your platform as mayor was.

But to be honest, at this point I just hate you. You berate how I read and catch up, you berate me when I don’t do that. I will just be ignoring you for the rest of the game because I will likely only get angry and possibly tilt if I have to deal with you.

Part of me wants to call you scum because you played with me in the last game where you know this had an effect on me, but here you are doing the exact thing again. Seems like you just don’t want to try and play nice and would rather ruffle my feathers. I choose not to put up with your shit.


I am not berating you as a person. I am merely pointing out that it's a very strange platform for you to follow if someone else had said the exact same thing and yet you didn't bat an eyelid.

If you did not know I said that and have actual personal reasons to not want to vote for me then fine. I am in no way insulting you as a person, nor do I dislike you as a person. I merely dislike the catch up style because it is contrary with how I like to play, which is conversational, which I believe you've refrained from doing with me for a while.

I had genuine points on you this game which you've neglected to answer and then I had seen this vote. Do you think it is in my best interest to just ignore that or push it?

I'm sorry you feel this way about me but I truly don't mean any offense by the way I talk. Honestly, I don't even remember the last game I played with you so that's on me I'm afraid. I hope we can get past this and actually talk about the game.

Unless you are mafia in which case this post is disgusting.


I haven't played the game they're referring to or looked at it, but I agree with the rest of this post. I find myself catching up a lot because like many people in the thread I underestimate the time commitment of this game, but I'd go even further than HF and say that that style is conducive to mafia because it's easier to slip through the cracks. That's not to say everyone who lurks or has other things to do is red, but it is a town strategy to encourage and pressure others to be more active in the thread.

4) Palmar
Most of his posts are about lynching me.

I think at this point in the game if you're scum, sheeping Palmar is the best strategy. Why Palmar in particular? He's got a commanding role in the thread and all of his actions look like he's finding scum - for now. The schtick might get a little old if he does literally nothing else and disappears but at least for now it's proactive enough to find at least one suspicious looking player and encourage people to vote for a second one (or give him that power - if he was 100% serious it would be trouble but he's not being 100% serious).

If he's town well then he kills one of his own, and once I flip town suddenly it's all for naught because people are at least a little suspicious of him. The reason you'd sheep him and not oppose him as mafia is because 1) he's already made the anti-Sentinel arguments for you so you don't need to think, and 2) you could always look good and defend me so that when I flip town you can say "I told you so" but as mafia it's dangerous to be right when everyone else isn't, especially if you haven't made a constructive argument for why I'm actually town.

If he's scum it's a pretty safe position since I'm not his teammate and unlike say Rels I've actually posted in this thread from time to time, which gives him just enough rope to hang me. Once I flip he can use the exact same argument to vindicate himself because mistakes happen.

5) LightningStrike
It's Mr. No Reads!

On March 02 2019 12:42 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 02 2019 12:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
why are you a little suspicious of EmZee? You haven't said anything about him yet, have you?

Mainly he been taking some of my stuff out context and making them look worse than what they are. Rayn also had a good point about him too regarding his handling of me and conversion. I want to see more from him though to see if I got his alignment right.

Very noncommittal and seems to be deflecting from himself rather than pressuring MZ.

On March 02 2019 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 02 2019 22:39 Vivax wrote:
Trfels posts on this page read to me like a bit of minimum effort "scumhunting" coupled with sucking up to rsoultin when poked.

I think you might be reading to much into it? Didn't seem like he was trying to suck it up to Tina at least to me.

Soft defense of Trfel

On March 02 2019 22:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Also liking rayn so far this game though and same with Tina hopefully we get more people to post!

Soft defense of rsoultin & rayn

On March 02 2019 23:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I think Vivax might be town atm just going to see if he can continue posting since he can't keep it up as scum.

Soft defense of Vivax

On March 03 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote:
df seems town, Oats null at best atm wanting more content from him. Palmar not really doing shit but it's the weekend he doesn't do shit on the weekend unless he's scum Day 1. I willing to give FF a Day since he's not being lazy FF. I missing a certain french person and a certain american

Soft defense of darthfoley, no commitment on Oats, wanting to give FF and rayn more time.

On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.

Doesn't vote for the policy lynch (e.g. ##Mayor: Palmar). No commitment.

On March 03 2019 11:43 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 03 2019 11:34 Palmar wrote:
On March 03 2019 11:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Sent is policy at best I wont lynch him unless there is no better option honestly.

There is literally no better option on day 1 than policy. Those are the best lynches on day 1 because you get rid of trash on a day with no information.

But I rather try to lynch scum


On March 03 2019 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Sent please read your role pm at some point before EoD would greatly appreciate it. <3


There's two universes here. Let's say you're dead set on believing I'm scum. Town LS should be pressuring me in some way. Palmar's entire platform is "Lynch Sentinel" so the easiest way to do that would be vote Palmar for mayor. Scum LS would be doing everything in his power to save his teammate. Or bus me but obviously he isn't doing that here.

Now let's say you correctly surmise I'm town. Town LS has no way of knowing this and LS hasn't given any reasons as to why I should be town. There is no take up to this point from him that says "Sentinel is town". You can always unvote later. What do you have to lose by not voting for Palmar in an effort to pressure me? And Scum LS would know I'm town, in which case all of the above comes across as a massive out in the event Palmar succeeds and I flip town.

The reason I believe it's the last case - that LS is scum - is because that behavior dovetails very well with his play. All of his reads are null to soft town, never giving too much justification whether or not they're town. He often plays devil's advocate with other people's scum reads and asks people "do you have full faith in your read?" without suggesting any alternatives. Oftentimes he follows this up with "I want to give [suspicious player] more time to post" without actually pressuring the suspicious player in any way. At 5 pages LightningStrike's filter is one of the longest in the game but most of it so far has been this kind of vapid content.

On March 03 2019 23:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the Sent train is a big concerning considering I thought we were going to use our mayor thing on him instead of lynching him?


And yet he didn't vote for a mayor (still!) despite admitting "Palmar wants to use his mayor thing on Sent"

On March 03 2019 23:28 LightningStrike wrote:
But for real though Sent is null at best. I don't think Oats is mafia compared to his last game he actually got some reasoning for his reads instead of just saying why something is bad/mafia. I think Tina is still Town and same with Vivax and Rayn. I kinda want to give a attempt of a sicklucker read and say he's town to make it a tiny bit easier for myself since he did claimed scum as town before. Damdred is just mia and might not be alignment indicative.


Still no commitment on me! Null at best. That would be great if LS had any other scum reads but all he has are soft town reads and null reads.

Still no conclusions on Oats. Soft defenses on rsoultin & rayn & vivax a second time in this game. Another "I want to give him more time to post" this time on sicklucker.

Solid red.

6) Blazinghand
Started reading the thread and his analysis of this game should come through around the same time as his analysis of British Empire Mini II.

7) Tictock
I'll be happy voting for him if only to get him to stop putting all his reads in spoilers

Here are some of his noteworthy takes

On March 02 2019 14:30 Tictock wrote:
Meap seems very Mafia to me on this page, he even does this "Guide me Senpai" thing with HF that I hate.
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On March 02 2019 10:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sheeeeiiiit this is more quality analysis I can get behind

Is lightingstrike scum too HF?

Gut wants me to vote Meap, so vote Meap I shall.


I agree with this for the same reason. More on this in my Meapak DD in the next post

On March 02 2019 14:44 Tictock wrote:
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On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote:
LS is town, that is all.

More when I get home and find a town circle to kill from within.



Ehh, I can't make up my mind what I want to say about this, I agree with him (which typically gives me townfeels for Damdred) but this feels like an easy, "free" read and post from Damdred. For some reason was noteworty to me... idk.

Dam Trfel...
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On March 02 2019 10:29 Trfel wrote:
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On March 02 2019 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
For real though trfl why do you say 7?
Honestly, just guessing. Seems like the right number, that or six, I'd rather overestimate than underestimate.

As to why, I figured it would be eye-catching

You said(typed) it with such confidence though, I Believed...

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 02 2019 10:30 Damdred wrote:
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On March 02 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Damdred wrote:
LS is town, that is all.


You got that from him saying that he's always town?


I know because I'm masons with ls.

Ok... Damdred Probs town.

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On March 02 2019 10:31 Chezinu wrote:
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On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


Holyflare,

Great detective work! I would love to have you on my team as lead investigator! I will be sure that the corporate office hear of this amazing discovery!


Best,
[image loading]
Chezinu Isunizehc

Why does this game irrelevant post get praise from you Chez?

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2019 10:33 LightningStrike wrote:
Me and Damdred aren't masons even though I wish we were masons



Honest to a fault... Totes town.




Willing to give solid townleans on Trefl and LS, and a minor townlean on Damdred thus far. I've also got a bit of a gutread on FF at this point, but I'm not sharing it yet.


What's interesting here is that the foundation of all of this is LS's first three posts. I don't know which three posts qualify but up to the "me and Damdred aren't masons" LS has posted nothing of substance, town or not.

Damdy is town because he agrees with LS. He's masons with LS and LS is town so they can't be scum together. Oops LS isn't a mason but LS is town and Damdy is still town because he said LS is town.

His justification is

LS can be a hard player to read, but all these posts are honest sadness that people are starting to play for real and not just joke around and shoot the breeze as many recent games have started.

Not saying I have some kinda God-Read on him or anything, but that is how I try to and what I get from those posts.

So all of his town reads by association come from a belief that LS is honest. And that belief is predicated on the fact that LS was joking around.

HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting.

Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now:
...
HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present)


I think this is colored by TT's dislike of HF

On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.

I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.

Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.

If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch.


I don't like this post because he started with a gutread on her and acted off that information throughout the game, leading to the conclusion: rsoultin is town. It cheapens the value of all the evidence he posts afterward to support the fact rsoultin is town.

Leaning red

8) Oatsmaster
Oats is one of the few players in this game who's accused too many people of being mafia rather than too few. Then retracts some of them with this:

On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,

That's more generous than I would have phrased it but OK

iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town

No

tictock is reaching real far for their reads

Yes

Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men

I chuckled

HF too serious to be town

I haven't played with HF enough to confirm or deny this and I don't have enough time to evaluate the meta of 35 players

Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense

OK

I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.

11) sicklucker
The "Hi I'm mafia" post doesn't inherently strike me as bad.

The entire first page of his filter is... interesting. Starts out with a lot of one-liners and a one-liner plus a quote from TL's spam warning. To quote Trfel,

On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:
Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.


What's more

On March 03 2019 06:44 sicklucker wrote:
People i wouldnt lynch yet.
Sent claimed for some readon
Slam
Ryan
Hf
Ls
Rstoulin
Tube maybe


This provides nothing of value, and

On March 03 2019 16:10 sicklucker wrote:
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On March 03 2019 13:13 Conversion wrote:
On March 03 2019 11:26 Palmar wrote:
So this is not a joke, I am going to do nothing but vote Sentinel until he comes in to the thread and says "I have read my role PM". Just pile votes on him because he's playing a strategy that's only advantageous to mafia.


wait what the fuck


its not a joke bro.+ Show Spoiler +
makes me think townie palmar for now


this, as I said in the previous post, is probably the best thing you can do as scum right now. This is the second-to-last post at the time I wrote this.

On March 03 2019 16:14 sicklucker wrote:
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On March 03 2019 13:32 LightningStrike wrote:
With that being said I probably will try to sleep now hopefully we get more people to post and shit. Will check everything when I wake up!


Hey ls how do you think about the current game. I know your town its really boring but you are and if your not ill kill you later anyway . Knowing you I want to keep your contributions to the game really simple of people you know. I want the dirt boo I want the dandred reads and such. thats your job this game keep it simple but effective. and when im mafia you can lynch me in final 3 like always its fine


And this is the final post. Lots of fun stuff here. Claiming LS is town despite having no takes on him before or after this moment, asking LS to provide reads he himself can build off off, and another "I'm the mafia" joke which again in a vacuum isn't bad but on the tail end of a post like this looks bad to me.

Overall, no real scum reads, 1/2 iffy town reads on rsoultin and LS. However here's some mitigating factors:

On March 02 2019 22:47 sicklucker wrote:
im more just pointing out shit reads and im the constant that I know


stole my gameplan

On March 02 2019 22:50 sicklucker wrote:
like im sure there have been some good negative reads for example. I liked rayns read on me that somethings off. I kind of agree on that one


On March 02 2019 22:59 sicklucker wrote:
I mean not just accurate just something I think a townie would feel about me since I havent played this shit game in years


These posts give me the suspicion that SL isn't scum but just being bad town given that it's his first game in a while and it's got 35 people in it. Palmar would probably policy lynch him but I'd rather find scum than take a risk on a bad townie who at least has the ability to lynch red players with everyone else.

12) Acrofales
What I don't like about Acrofales is that he read the same TT post I did but somehow he thought TT did a good read whereas I thought he did the opposite. What I do like is he posts a definite shitlist:

On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote:
Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list:
2) Fecalfeast
8) Oatsmaster
9) WaveofShadow
11) sicklucker
17) ExO_
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni28) Trfel
30) Mr. Wiggles


I do think he has a strong justification to vote for Palmar Mayor rather than HF mayor in that Palmar's fate in the thread is dictated entirely on whether or not I'm scum. It's a more one-to-one relationship. Whereas even if HF is wrong, a malicious HF could use all the other stuff to look town.

15) Chezinu
I'm not reading the RP. There's probably something good in there especially in the second half of his filter but I don't care enough to look for it.

17) ExO_
Came into the thread and posted a bunch of memes and left. Hasn't done anything since. The only reason I'd give for vigging him in particular of all the inactives is that he interacted with people (by posting memes), rather than just saying hi and disappearing (which could be for any IRL reason as well). He was following the thread if not reading it.

19) [UoN]Sentinel
Confirmed town

26) Mocsta
He just came in so I'll probably develop my takes further. Here are some of his deep dives and my thoughts on them

On March 04 2019 00:00 Mocsta wrote:
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On March 03 2019 23:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai mocsta!
Not missing much.
Hf/rayn yelling at each other, Palmar wants mayor to dispose of sentinel cause he won't read his role pm.
Pretty stavdard stuff.

Hmmm

So far i read sentinel / sicklucker / palmar

Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd.
Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself.

Sicklucker i read cos i thought he was tubesock lol... filter seemed ok too. Nothing stood out to me and seemdd to have some focus. Not posting to shit the thread

Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.

Onto acro filter now


The most interesting thing here is the Palmar take. He offers some soft counters against the Palmar mayor platform even though he ultimately agrees with it. On one hand at this point it reads like "I'm behind Palmar but if things don't work out I'm giving myself this escape route".

Between this and his analysis of Acrofales and trfel though, and taking into account he had a huge thread to work with by the time he showed up, what I like about Mocsta's posts this game is they've been consistent. He starts with the player's meta and compares it to their play up to now in this thread and draws his conclusion on whether they're town or scum. As opposed to deciding whether or not a player is town or scum based on hunches/other motives and then finding evidence to buttress his position. This is pretty honest play and

On March 04 2019 00:30 Mocsta wrote:
I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point.


as long as "at this point" doesn't extend too long into D1 I think Mocsta is looking slightly green. I'd like to hear more from him though before I can firmly say he's green or not.

27) Koshi
No posts yet

28) Trfel
Happy birthday!

Just like SL he "Hi I'm mafia" post in itself doesn't strike me as bad. What does strike me as bad is the back-and-forth about how many mafia there are in the game. His exchanges with first HF and then Conversion come at a time when rayn and a few others are trying to grill LS and MZ. Trfel and Chezinu provide a lot of volume between every post in that attack. The flip side to this is that by the next page both he and Chez are gone and the attacks continue, so it's not like he was just running interference as scum until rayn et al. took the heat off his teammates.

On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:
I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.

He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
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On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na

Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.


This is correct but I'd also like to point out prior to making this post he had precisely zero reads except calling rayn "maybe mafia" before retracting it in his next post. His next substantial post is agreeing with rsoultin that Tubesock is mafia and providing zero new or contradictory thoughts on TS in that entire post. Then comes this:

On March 03 2019 06:43 Trfel wrote:
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On March 03 2019 06:39 Holyflare wrote:
If you don't comment on a really obvious inconsistency I'll be sad.
I agree Oatsmaster's play has been quite subpar so far, and I agree that his assessment of your play this game is awful. However maybe I'm wrong in this but I don't feel like his play is mafia-motivated at all. I don't really think mafia would want to enter the thread late and use a bunch of garbage reasons to push suspicion at people, including people like you who are quite likely to respond and respond with a lot of weight. It would be an exceptionally stupid move.

Maybe it's dumb but that makes me actually not want to lynch Oatsmaster right now. Or was there something else you were referring to?


On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks.


On March 03 2019 06:46 Trfel wrote:
@sicklucker, why wouldn't you want to lynch rsoultin? Last I saw, you were just at maybe nah maybe nah?

@Holyflare, fair enough, I'll take a look. Thanks for letting me know.


On March 03 2019 06:50 Trfel wrote:
Also it's easier to just vote for Oatsmaster than look at his meta so I'll just be doing that.


This is a really scummy move. He provides some counterarguments to HF, and then dismisses his own case taking HF at his word. This makes me think he didn't actually consider whether or not Oats is scum but just waffled a bit to figure out which way the wind was blowing and then take his position accordingly. Putting all this together it looks like Trfel is in the thread pretending to find scum without actually contributing anything to finding scum.

30) Mr. Wiggles
More active lately.
On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote:
There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.

If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch.

I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you!

Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace?


That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.

You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor.

Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone.

Reads scummy to me.


When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?

Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why?

Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear.

I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too.

I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember.

I like this. Pressures people to take more risky positions = information.

On March 04 2019 01:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
@HF, you seem like a cool guy, but I'm thinking my mayor vote will be going to Palmar. You've got a bit of a loose cannon vibe going on whereas Palmar is essentially Judge Dredd.

@rsoultin: Chezinu is our albatross. If you kill him you'll be thirsty for the rest of your life.

@LS: I don't understand this weird martyrdom thing you're doing. If you're town why the heck would you want to just roll over and die because a couple people scumread you? Bad vibes.


His LS read agrees with my LS read but isn't as strong. I dislike the Palmar justification because it seems to me that the end result is the same (both want to lynch me atm) but HF has offered more information to act on. Especially since in the last post Wiggles showed approval for HF, so it's not like he thinks he's red or anything.

31) BloodyC0bbler
Posts some early reads, hasn't done much since. Most interesting is his defense of Chezinu and attack on rsoultin for attacking Chezinu. Acrofales has said everything I want to say about him so I'll just quote his post:

2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive.


32) Ace
The only thing of substance he's done in the thread so far is propose to nominate a lurker for mayor before disappearing from the thread. But it also does carry the cost of another NK. The lurker doesn't even have to show their hand since there's a lot of plausible deniability between "I haven't been keeping up with the thread" and "In the 30 minutes I've been here I think [suspicious townie] is scum". This gives me red vibes but Ace hasn't been here long enough for me to say for certain.

34) iamperfection
Comes out the gate with a bunch of one-liners. The rough sequence is:

1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red

35) Rels
Came in here twice to post twice, hasn't done jackshit since
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[UoN]Sentinel
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March 03 2019 18:44 GMT
#1233
##Vote: LightningStrike

Other people I could definitely lynch atm: Trfel, Tictock

People who I haven't looked at yet

9) WaveofShadow
10) Tumblewood
13) raynpelikoneet
14) Damdred
16) Jockmcplop
18) Vivax
20) Grackaroni
21) rsoultin
22) tubesock
23) Pandain
24) darthfoley
25) Conversion
29) Meapak_Ziphh
33) Alakaslam
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March 03 2019 18:45 GMT
#1234
I'm VT btw
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March 03 2019 18:46 GMT
#1237
EBWOP: I put thoughts on Ace before he returned to the thread. Obviously now I'm going to have to reevaluate him.
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March 03 2019 18:49 GMT
#1239
On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say?

On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw

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#1243
On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say?

On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw



Yeah but YOURS.

On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw
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March 03 2019 19:08 GMT
#1266
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote:
Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.


I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.[/quote]

He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.

Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.


It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.

He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.

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On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:48 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.

Summary of the night:

##mayor Palmar


zzz

this is why the sent push is pointless

Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.

And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.


36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.

And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?

Though props for not being that guy at least.


People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.

Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.

Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.

Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.





This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.


Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread


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On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote:
Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list:
2) Fecalfeast
8) Oatsmaster
9) WaveofShadow
11) sicklucker
17) ExO_
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni28) Trfel
30) Mr. Wiggles


not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.

I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.

I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.

Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
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#1269
On March 04 2019 04:09 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 04 2019 04:04 Damdred wrote:
I like your case and it seems you believe it after all...


Dude, you're scum aren't you?

I'm going to sheep your suspicion of him sheeping iamp's suspicion of Acrofales

I still don't trust either of you or Damdred
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March 03 2019 19:16 GMT
#1279
On March 04 2019 04:13 iamperfection wrote:
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On March 04 2019 04:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 04:09 rsoultin wrote:
On March 04 2019 04:04 Damdred wrote:
I like your case and it seems you believe it after all...


Dude, you're scum aren't you?

I'm going to sheep your suspicion of him sheeping iamp's suspicion of Acrofales

I still don't trust either of you or Damdred

you think im scum but going to sheep it ????????


Lemme replace some pronouns

I'm going to sheep rsoultin's suspicion of Damdred sheeping iamp's suspicion of Acrofales

I still don't trust either of rsoultin or Damdred

I still haven't looked at Damdred's filter but I don't like how Tictock just assumed he's town off the assumption LS is town. Even if you believe LS is town - which you shouldn't - TT had some awful logic for coming to that conclusion. The fact that Damdy is associated with that and the fact that he sheeped your case with that comment gives me red vibes. I'll look more into him when I'm done with my work.
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March 03 2019 19:23 GMT
#1287
Oh yeah wow what a filter.

Quick addition to my huge wall of takes

TLDR of Damdred's filter up till now:

1. LS is town and we're masons (LS reaction: "no we're not")
2. "I like rayn as town to...he did the town rayn thing"
3. LS tell me what to do
4. I like your case iamp and it feels right to me and you're probably town and Acrofales is probably scum
##mayor iamp ##vote acro

Definitely red
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March 03 2019 19:48 GMT
#1296
On March 04 2019 04:47 iamperfection wrote:
asking for votes is pretty townie though

What are your thoughts on LS
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March 03 2019 20:59 GMT
#1375
On March 04 2019 05:54 Grackaroni wrote:
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On March 04 2019 05:52 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:49 LightningStrike wrote:
I calmed down enough to just switching my mayor vote to iamp his case seems solid enough. Wont post for the rest of the day phase/night phase
Bye

your so full of shit.

You really raged from like the softest pressure ever??

bs

Yeah he's done that a lot of times before as town.

There is nothing in this thread to indicate LS is town
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