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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 00:51 GMT
#2763
I feel like vivax was posturing far FAR too much at deadline to look legit. He was all over the place.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:03 GMT
#2789
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote:
HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?

I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)


? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.

This happened with:

Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away

LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred

At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.

Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).

I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:

A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him

B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.

I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:08 GMT
#2792
It's been too long and you haven't witnessed the new only plays on phone and has to work all the time Holyflare. I'm not very good anymore but my ego hasn't deflated to match.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:10 GMT
#2799
On March 05 2019 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:03 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:53 marvellosity wrote:
HF mate, why did you actually kill Palmar?

I don't want a quote from your posts, just the actual reason(s)


? I thought his early posts were colossally bad. I didn't like how he kept coming up with reasons to read people one way or another that on closer inspection turned out to be massively false and then he'd just brush it away.

This happened with:

Rayn - where he came up with some factually incorrect meta and falsehoods in this game that got disproved and then called out by Rayn himself and Palmar just hand waved it away

LS read - where he tried to further his incorrect point that he must be right on LS because rsoul and damdred agreed with him (and also therefore damdred must be town because they agreed on LS(????????????????)). It turned out neither of them really agreed anymore but he didn't update that read on damdred

At the time I submitted the vote on palmar he had only 2 real attempts at scum reads and they turned out to be hedges instead on both acro and iamp so he really had no scum reads. He only started trying to scum read people after I called him out on it.

Outside of Palmar himself there was an overwhelming wagon building on Palmar's mayorship out of nowhere. He had only stated that he was going to lynch sentinel and then after Sentinel posted not bad walls of text he never updated that read. His wagon kept growing but with nobody really casting doubt on Sentinel further (other than like 1-2 people) so Palmar seemed to be in direct contention with my mayor votes for absolutely no reason whatsoever (I even had sentinel as my lynch policy for a long while).

I ultimately ended up still lynching Palmar:

A) because my vote was locked in and I never really got to change it to BH when your slot and vivax saved him

B) I would much rather have fun with a lynch on a really polarising player to lynch instead of some shitty policy lynch anyway that may or may not have actually turned into a scum BH. We now have about 100 different reads on this lynch and we have the flip to boot. It wouldn't have been the same if Palmar didn't flip either.

I was tempted to vote some non-entity but that's really really fucking boring and wouldn't be fun.

scummy (not gonna read them, just is. "not bad walls of text" is like a description of scum all over)


Seems somewhat arbitrary.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:13 GMT
#2808
On March 05 2019 10:12 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:08 Holyflare wrote:
It's been too long and you haven't witnessed the new only plays on phone and has to work all the time Holyflare. I'm not very good anymore but my ego hasn't deflated to match.

It should have. You're either an idiot or scum. Just shut up and go sit in a corner the rest of the game. You're bad. I wish I could just shoot you tonight and not have to worry about you the rest of the game.


I mean if I'm mafia then I won the mayor vote while on holiday and phone posting the entire time and eliminated the person posting a lot of posts.

But you're insinuating pretty hard that I'm BAD rather than mafia. If I'm mafia I'm awesome, amazing, incredible. I think you're displaying a bit too much TMI here Acro.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:17 GMT
#2812
On March 05 2019 10:17 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:12 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:08 Holyflare wrote:
It's been too long and you haven't witnessed the new only plays on phone and has to work all the time Holyflare. I'm not very good anymore but my ego hasn't deflated to match.

It should have. You're either an idiot or scum. Just shut up and go sit in a corner the rest of the game. You're bad. I wish I could just shoot you tonight and not have to worry about you the rest of the game.


I mean if I'm mafia then I won the mayor vote while on holiday and phone posting the entire time and eliminated the person posting a lot of posts.

But you're insinuating pretty hard that I'm BAD rather than mafia. If I'm mafia I'm awesome, amazing, incredible. I think you're displaying a bit too much TMI here Acro.

Holy shit, if you're town you are actually terrible at this game. Like truly mindblowingly awful. I pray for the life of me you're scum, because if you're town I haven't seen someone this dumb since kushm4sta.


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:18 GMT
#2815
You wouldn't think looking from these Acro posts that he knows I have the highest win rate/games played as mafia or anything right?

You'd just think I was a bad towny.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:22 GMT
#2823
On March 05 2019 10:20 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:17 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:12 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:08 Holyflare wrote:
It's been too long and you haven't witnessed the new only plays on phone and has to work all the time Holyflare. I'm not very good anymore but my ego hasn't deflated to match.

It should have. You're either an idiot or scum. Just shut up and go sit in a corner the rest of the game. You're bad. I wish I could just shoot you tonight and not have to worry about you the rest of the game.


I mean if I'm mafia then I won the mayor vote while on holiday and phone posting the entire time and eliminated the person posting a lot of posts.

But you're insinuating pretty hard that I'm BAD rather than mafia. If I'm mafia I'm awesome, amazing, incredible. I think you're displaying a bit too much TMI here Acro.

Holy shit, if you're town you are actually terrible at this game. Like truly mindblowingly awful. I pray for the life of me you're scum, because if you're town I haven't seen someone this dumb since kushm4sta.
Guys, can we stop with the skill comparison.

I think we are all town here and need to work together.
I assume its possible you two + koshi at minimum will be shot tonight and it would good not to dilute your filter away from the core content.


It's not a skill comparison. I have a lot of games won as mafia and am generally insanely good (a modicum of modesty there) at playing that alignment. A lot of things I've done around this lynch could easily be construed as me just being mafia but all of these Acro posts already know my alignment and are angry that I lynched Palmar. Why? He should just be thinking this is par for the course for mafia Holyflare like marv entered saying?

Why is he not, Mocsta?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:24 GMT
#2825
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.

@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.


There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.

Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.

side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.


Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.



Good one voting the guy into mayorship that was saying he was sticking to his plan there, Ace.

Holyflare (15): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:26 GMT
#2827
I mean, you can all criticise all you want but not one of you even argued with my scum read (no, yelling it's stupid doesn't count) on Palmar or the points I laid out
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:29 GMT
#2832
On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.

@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.


There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.

Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.

side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.


Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.


What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?


Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.



??????????????????????????? I quite categorically laid out that I was going to lynch palmar for at least 1/3 of the cycle if not more. At every opportunity and also in my giant wall of scum reads I had put palmar as mafia and the bottom of my list and Sentinel not even in the mafia category. If you thought anyone other than Palmar or someone in my scum reads was getting lynched then you were sorely mistaken.

If you wanted a Sentinel lynch then voting for me over the guy who solely proclaimed "we are lynching Sentinel and only Sentinel" a myriad of times is completely on you and is actually quite bad that you voted against that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:31 GMT
#2835
On March 05 2019 10:30 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:26 Holyflare wrote:
I mean, you can all criticise all you want but not one of you even argued with my scum read (no, yelling it's stupid doesn't count) on Palmar or the points I laid out


apparently all the people voting palmar for mayor did


I think you'll find they stand other the "no, yelling it's stupid doesn't count" category.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:33 GMT
#2838
On March 05 2019 10:31 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:26 Holyflare wrote:
I mean, you can all criticise all you want but not one of you even argued with my scum read (no, yelling it's stupid doesn't count) on Palmar or the points I laid out

Yes I did. And no, I have no idea who you are or that you're good at playing as mafia. But thanks for pointing it out. Comforts me that you're some kinda scum Mastermind duping sheep rather than a complete herpaderp. Being scum ends when the game ends. Being an idiot doesn't.


Please quote these aforementioned retorts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:34 GMT
#2841
does bh not vote to save himself if he's playing on a mafia team?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:36 GMT
#2842
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:38 GMT
#2851
On March 05 2019 10:36 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:28 Ace wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:24 Damdred wrote:
On March 05 2019 10:21 Ace wrote:
Well that was terrible.

@Trfel: Really wish you claimed :'(. GG tho dude/dudette.


There are no mafia doctors so vigis can shoot Holyflare at will. If he somehow does not die tonight he is an auto-lynch tomorrow.

Earlier in the thread when I was talking to HF and Wiggles, I was alluding to the fact that Hf or Palmar have to stick to their plan on the lynch (Sentinel). It would take a very convincing reason to lynch someone else. For all his talk, Palmar never came across as a strong scum read. HF lynching him instead of Sentinel or even BH means he has to die. He did not stick to his guns and did not have good reason to lynch Palmar.

side note:Would have been funny (and rage inducing) if Trfel flipped Cop and Palmar flipped back up Cop.


Anyway, we kill HF asap. No fucking around.


What is this? Even I know hf stuck to his guns he wan ted to lynch palm for a long time no?


Him wanting to lynch Palmar =/= good reason to switch.



??????????????????????????? I quite categorically laid out that I was going to lynch palmar for at least 1/3 of the cycle if not more. At every opportunity and also in my giant wall of scum reads I had put palmar as mafia and the bottom of my list and Sentinel not even in the mafia category. If you thought anyone other than Palmar or someone in my scum reads was getting lynched then you were sorely mistaken.

If you wanted a Sentinel lynch then voting for me over the guy who solely proclaimed "we are lynching Sentinel and only Sentinel" a myriad of times is completely on you and is actually quite bad that you voted against that.


I didn't "want to lynch Sentinel". I was looking at YOU wanting to lynch Sentinel. Just because you talked all 1/3rd of the day about lynching Palmar doesn't means your reasons were actually legit. You don't even feel sorry for doing it.

@damdred: He ran his platform on lynching Sentinel. He did not have popular support for lynching Palmar. Either way I'm not going to harsh on this with either of you anymore. I made a mistake voting for HF because I didn't think he'd lynch the guy.



Palmar's entire campaign is lynching Sentinel and you voted for the opposite guy! Don't come whining to the thread about the guy you voted for doing the thing he said he would do just because you thought he wouldn't do that. That's entirely on you.

It's also not true that I did not have popular support for lynching Palmar. Many people joined because of that and also said as much.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:40 GMT
#2855
On March 05 2019 10:36 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:34 Holyflare wrote:
does bh not vote to save himself if he's playing on a mafia team?


That's pretty heavy wifom, hes playing the martyr card hard, and using it as an excuse somewhat to not produce content.

Just kill me kill me while other people try to direct shots else where.

My initial thought is town, but he plays with wifom so heavily anyway.


I dunno, I'd reveal my alignment by voting trfel if it was that close to make sure I didn't waste my life for my team. Maybe bh is more OP at wifom but seems unlikely to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:42 GMT
#2861
The final puzzle piece is sentinel. If Sentinel is actually mafia then you can find out how this whole mayoral campaign went down.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:45 GMT
#2863
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=126#2508

Feel free to comment at any time guys.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 05 2019 01:50 GMT
#2867
On March 05 2019 10:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 10:45 Holyflare wrote:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=126#2508

Feel free to comment at any time guys.


Given that 2 of your scum reads just flipped town (one of which i thought was town) and that I have different views of one of the players on that list as well I think you should go back and reanalyze people and possibly adjust your opinions.


I clearly updated my trfel read though. I meant the guys actually alive still. I don't think I'll ever agree with your iamp read that's based on him doing nothing when he's actually done stuff. More so than a lot of people in this thread.
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