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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 03 2018 16:44 GMT
#478
I kind of ditzed when thinking about vote analysis yesterday. I forgot that there's probably still a lot of confusion among mafia whether prplhz/I are town or not.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 03 2018 16:52 GMT
#479
Most likely probabilities atm (assuming Krogan and I both told the truth)

P(3 fascist) = 33.94%
P(2 fascist 1 liberal) = 50.91%
P(1 fascist 2 liberal) = 14.55%
P(3 liberal) = 0.61%
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 03 2018 17:01 GMT
#480
I'd choose Rayn over Krogan for chancellor
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 03 2018 17:46 GMT
#482
On November 04 2018 02:33 byj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 00:23 happykrogan wrote:
Why didn't you talk but vote?
It depends why you did as it was obviously intentional.

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 01:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Why did you vote no without saying anything?

What do you guys think the reason is?

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On November 04 2018 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
I forgot that there's probably still a lot of confusion among mafia whether prplhz/I are town or not.

Among hitler you mean?

2 fascists know hitler. They don't know each other and Hitler doesn't know them, so mafia could be a lot less coordinated than I was thinking.

You're busy?

You don't feel like playing the game?

You don't like playing as mafia?

I really can't tell you why you aren't talking in thread but if you aren't going to talk then you won't be selected for anything. I don't know why you're even asking this question. If you're town then you need to be open with your thoughts about the game rather than trying to act as cryptically as possible.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 03 2018 18:35 GMT
#489
On November 04 2018 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 01:44 Grackaroni wrote:
I kind of ditzed when thinking about vote analysis yesterday. I forgot that there's probably still a lot of confusion among mafia whether prplhz/I are town or not.

Can you open up this post a bit more, i don't understand what you are trying to say here?

I thought the 5-3 vote with me voting no was evidence that the team would be a scum team because it must be getting scum support, and later I thought it's possible that scum could have voted yes just because they're also clueless about my/prplhz alignment but apparently mafia has more information than I realized.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 03 2018 23:56 GMT
#517
Anyone watching blizzcon?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 04 2018 00:03 GMT
#519
On November 04 2018 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 04 2018 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyone watching blizzcon?

yes, sc2, shit game but serral is playing so...

lol Finnish phenom.

The Serrall ZvZ's were sick. All of the TvP's were super disappointing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 04 2018 21:17 GMT
#550
On November 05 2018 05:46 prplhz wrote:
Who will you elect for chancellor kita? Will you vote for yourself or vote no for the towncred?

Cute.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 05 2018 14:45 GMT
#564
If your plan is to act suspiciously and then gauge people's reactions, didn't you consider that scum might just take the free scum read on you rather than try to win over your support?

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the current team.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 05 2018 14:51 GMT
#565
I'm trying to not get tunneled on Prplhz but I can't help but feel that he was looking to pin the blame for a failed mission on me from his very first comment.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 19:14 GMT
#658
Sweet.

We could just pass through Kita and Rels and elect Rayn as the next president.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 22:03 GMT
#674
I don't like the plan because it goes really badly if Krogan is scum, and I think there is still a decent chance that he is scum. Thinking about the president powers I'd rather try Kita or Rels (would prefer Rels but I assume it will be Kita) and leave you with the check if there's a failed mission.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 22:11 GMT
#678
On November 07 2018 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 07 2018 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the plan because it goes really badly if Krogan is scum, and I think there is still a decent chance that he is scum. Thinking about the president powers I'd rather try Kita or Rels (would prefer Rels but I assume it will be Kita) and leave you with the check if there's a failed mission.

Basically your town ppl are;
you, me, conversion, rels, kitaman

right?

No I'm pretty close to the same page as Rels.

I think the most likely team is Prplhz/Kitaman/HK
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 22:29 GMT
#685
On November 07 2018 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the plan because it goes really badly if Krogan is scum, and I think there is still a decent chance that he is scum. Thinking about the president powers I'd rather try Kita or Rels (would prefer Rels but I assume it will be Kita) and leave you with the check if there's a failed mission.

Basically your town ppl are;
you, me, conversion, rels, kitaman

right?

No I'm pretty close to the same page as Rels.

I think the most likely team is Prplhz/Kitaman/HK

Can you elaborate here a bit more.
Why does Conversion's gov pass if this is the case? Or even your gov?

Kitaman/HK were both pushing against Conversion which aside from you was why I ended up choosing Prplhz, so I didn't like that.

If this is town/town then maybe you are right and Rels/Byj are scum downvoting and one scum upvoted. But if prplhz is scum then I'm much more suspicious of Kita/HK who passed the mission when it was going to be a close vote. (Also if I was mafia then this is like your entire mafia team down voting a scum mission and all town upvoting.)
On November 03 2018 07:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
1. happykrogan - Ja!
2. Grackaroni - Nein!
3. Conversion - Ja!
4. kitaman27 - Ja!
5. Rels - Nein!
6. raynpelikoneet - Ja!
7. byj - Nein!
8. prplhz - Ja!

Honestly I haven't put much effort into analyzing anything recently though and I may be completely wrong just from looking at the second vote count. I recall Happykrogan kind of wavering his way into voting yes on this and being kind of suspicious of it but I don't see remember anything about Prplhz here and I don't see why scum prplhz would upvote this mission if you/conversion are both town.
On November 06 2018 10:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
1. happykrogan - Ja!
2. Grackaroni - Ja!
3. Conversion - Ja!
4. kitaman27 - Nein!
5. Rels - has been warned for not voting
6. raynpelikoneet - Ja!
7. byj - Nein!
8. prplhz - Ja!


Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 22:33 GMT
#688
On November 07 2018 07:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the plan because it goes really badly if Krogan is scum, and I think there is still a decent chance that he is scum. Thinking about the president powers I'd rather try Kita or Rels (would prefer Rels but I assume it will be Kita) and leave you with the check if there's a failed mission.

Basically your town ppl are;
you, me, conversion, rels, kitaman

right?

No I'm pretty close to the same page as Rels.

I think the most likely team is Prplhz/Kitaman/HK

Can you elaborate here a bit more.
Why does Conversion's gov pass if this is the case? Or even your gov?


lol I got crucified for suggesting a Grack + Conversion team, yet HK said that he was going to nominate me about 5 times, before he ended up with rayn. That team really doesn't make sense.

Plus each of the last two votes reached majority with a single vote being able to swing things. On day two, I announced that I was passing your grack + conv team and then krogran decided to switch his vote to pass afterwards as well. There is really no reason for us to send it through.

Plus there was the whole prpl throwing my name out at the start of the game for no good reason thing, which I think shows that it's pretty obvious we're not buddies either.

I don't think it shows that you're not obviously buddies and also that's not a bad thing for scum to do imo. If You/Conversion go on mission one and it's sabotaged then that is really bad for mafia. It's not a bad strategy to aim for scum president/town chancellor.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 23:03 GMT
#696
On November 07 2018 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 07:29 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2018 07:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the plan because it goes really badly if Krogan is scum, and I think there is still a decent chance that he is scum. Thinking about the president powers I'd rather try Kita or Rels (would prefer Rels but I assume it will be Kita) and leave you with the check if there's a failed mission.

Basically your town ppl are;
you, me, conversion, rels, kitaman

right?

No I'm pretty close to the same page as Rels.

I think the most likely team is Prplhz/Kitaman/HK

Can you elaborate here a bit more.
Why does Conversion's gov pass if this is the case? Or even your gov?

Kitaman/HK were both pushing against Conversion which aside from you was why I ended up choosing Prplhz, so I didn't like that.

If this is town/town then maybe you are right and Rels/Byj are scum downvoting and one scum upvoted. But if prplhz is scum then I'm much more suspicious of Kita/HK who passed the mission when it was going to be a close vote. (Also if I was mafia then this is like your entire mafia team down voting a scum mission and all town upvoting.)
On November 03 2018 07:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
1. happykrogan - Ja!
2. Grackaroni - Nein!
3. Conversion - Ja!
4. kitaman27 - Ja!
5. Rels - Nein!
6. raynpelikoneet - Ja!
7. byj - Nein!
8. prplhz - Ja!

Honestly I haven't put much effort into analyzing anything recently though and I may be completely wrong just from looking at the second vote count. I recall Happykrogan kind of wavering his way into voting yes on this and being kind of suspicious of it but I don't see remember anything about Prplhz here and I don't see why scum prplhz would upvote this mission if you/conversion are both town.
On November 06 2018 10:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
1. happykrogan - Ja!
2. Grackaroni - Ja!
3. Conversion - Ja!
4. kitaman27 - Nein!
5. Rels - has been warned for not voting
6. raynpelikoneet - Ja!
7. byj - Nein!
8. prplhz - Ja!



I can't figure out your conclusion here. Can you put some effort at some point into well.. making a conclusion. Because to me it feels like you aren't really saying anything like "this is why i think this is true" instead of "this might be or this might not be".

Yeah I haven't really done my homework for this game to make a conclusion. Those are just my thoughts after you asked me to look at the votes. My feelings about this game are effected a lot by assuming Prplhz is scum.

I did check HK's meta just now and he hasn't actually even played a game as mafia yet, so he's probably not scum this game after all judging from how well he started off the game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 06 2018 23:09 GMT
#698
On November 07 2018 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Those are just my thoughts after you asked me to look at the votes.

I dont understand this either since if you just look at the votes the scumteam is "obviously" byj/Rels/kitaman for you at least.

lol well idk what to tell you my scum team thought was Prplhz + the two town votes on that mission.

That might be because Byj/Rels have both been very pro-Grackaroni and I'm dumb lol.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 08 2018 18:52 GMT
#814
I take back my HK/prplhz/Kitaman read. I don't think it's likely that HK is scum since he's very active and open with his thought process, some of his posts have a very townie attitude, and I don't think he's ever even played as scum before

I think the team may actually be Prplhz/Kitaman/Conversion from reading the interactions between them. Lots of little snipes against each other without much coming from them that reads a lot like scum distancing to me. (If this is the case then Conversion got 2 liberal cards)

Rayn also mentioned the possibility of a Kita/byj/Rels team from the votes but that doesn't feel right to me. Regardless that team won't be able to win if that is the team. I think Prplhz is very likely scum since the only thing he's done this game is try to convince people that I'm scum after voting for me to choose the cards.

If we don't have the votes for me/Rels then I'll upvote me/Kita if that's what Rayn wants me to do but I'm also ok with letting the investigative ability go to HK.

I'm going quote some of the interactions in a second.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 08 2018 18:53 GMT
#815
Mark me down at the moment for no on Kita and yes on Rels but able to change if needed. I'll be around throughout the day and at the deadline.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
November 08 2018 19:21 GMT
#822
My impression that Conversion/Kita could be a thing came from reading through the game around page 29. The way Conversion was responding to Happykrogan seemed different than his responses to Kitaman. Conversion/HK is never both scum even discounting the votes so far from that exchange, and I think HK looked really townie in it. One danger when judging Conversion is that he is really really good at making snappy/angry replies as scum, and he fooled me before in the game HK mentioned.

But now starting from the top of the filters:

This call out from Kita is actually quite good. Conversion voted no on HK/Rayn because he wanted to play it safe and not just choose the first team, but his response to Kita's question about Prplhz seems pretty suspicious to me.


+ Show Spoiler +

On November 02 2018 22:32 Conversion wrote:
I'm chill with passing this government

I'm assuming I want to pass krogan or rayn into chancellorship-- is it going to pass though?


On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?


On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.


On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.


Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?


On November 02 2018 23:53 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:38 Conversion wrote:
On November 02 2018 23:07 kitaman27 wrote:
What's your opinion of prpl? I don't see him mentioned in your filter. Since you failed the pair yesterday, but are willing to pass today's team, does that mean that your original policy is no longer necessary?

If you're voting yes today and you're on board with selecting rayn or krogan next cycle, does that mean you think the facist team is myself/Rels/byj?



On November 01 2018 00:38 Conversion wrote:
In all seriousness, I like to always pass the first go, in any similar game like mafia when possible, to reveal where votes went and talk about that to get more information and give me one more round to work with, since drawing a random card as a policy isn't the worst thing ever, neither is adding one to the election tracker early on.

Whether that's optimal or not, I'm not quite sure but I do like doing it. Considering we can get RNG'd and get a F/F/F draw (unless this is impossible, someone correct me please if it is), I don't see why we're in any rush to elect this particular government.


I'm not actually going to just be anti-liberal for the sake of it. I think enacting governments is a good way to get information, especially if we are up one right now and have a guaranteed +1 liberal policy barring any unlucky draws, or if one or both of krogan/rayn played us and passed a liberal card, in which case we won't be incredibly behind and it'll give us a look into getting more information as liberals.

In terms of who's the most liberal in my eyes (as in, I'd elect them Chancellor), it'd be rayn = krogan > everyone else, even if I'm salty about krogan doing nothing but calling me a liar just from how government 1 went.


Fair enough. Do you have any opinion of prpl specifically?


Let me take a look into his filter. I recall him being pretty neutral (and I historically can never read the dude correctly..)


On November 03 2018 00:06 Conversion wrote:
oof.. I really don't like the second part of his filter. His first part was just a lot of defending himself. IDK if that makes him a facist though?

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2018 02:46 prplhz wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:41 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:35 prplhz wrote:
On November 01 2018 02:02 happykrogan wrote:
On November 01 2018 00:46 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:33 prplhz wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 31 2018 10:12 prplhz wrote:
[quote]
Because maybe you could have answered something else that would have been more immediately useful to me. I don't know in advance what your answer may be.

What would you think if he said he agrees with Rels' idea?

Super weird to encourage people to reject their own government.

Is that more immediately useful?
If not, what other possible answers are there?

I had expected him to be more aggressive towards the people who reject his government.

So me not fullfilling your expectations doesn't help you to draw conclusions.
How would me fullfilling your expectations help you to draw conclusions, if me doing the opposite thing doesn't?

You didn't do the opposite, you did like a middle of the road thing that didn't push me in either direction.

I guess I believe you... But please do more stuff other than still talking about the kitaman thing, which most of your posts are about.

It's that I don't have unlimited time and people were super mad.

I'm thinking about some other things too, but I'm not ready to post.


what other things were you thinking about prplhz? confused as to why you didn't just post what your thoughts were and instead went straight back into one liners for a bit after

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