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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 22 2018 20:10 GMT
#9
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 07 2018 21:46 GMT
#141
half of your things don't even rhyme properly

##vote kaley
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 12:28 GMT
#174
Should have sent out confirmations :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 12:30 GMT
#176
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.

Will try and post more.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 12:31 GMT
#177
Maybe I don't want to lynch the only guy trying though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 12:32 GMT
#178
Kelsier is way too placid and defending people under the guise of pointing out contradictions.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 12:32 GMT
#179
Probably mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 21:12 GMT
#205
not mafia though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 08 2018 21:23 GMT
#206
On September 09 2018 03:02 Qatol wrote:
Getting back to the game, I will say that I am nervous that there hasn't been more pushback regarding Kaley, both by the player themselves and by others. Usually lynching mafia day 1 is like pulling teeth. That hasn't been the experience so far.

Plus, we're getting posts like this:
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On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley


Rels, why is Sergio almost a lock? Why do you want to lynch Kaley? Considering there was 30 minutes between your "yo" post and your vote, I'm confused as to why you didn't say more.

However, the thing that is most perplexing about the situation is Kaley's insistence on staying in character and getting in a flamewar with rayn rather than providing any real analysis. Kaley, you're spending the time to put together semi-rhymes. Why not at least point to the words rayn has posted that are making you push for him so hard? From what I can tell, your original read came from him stating that he would policy lynch people who posted rp/ms paint. He hadn't even said anything about you before you started trying to aggravate him. As I have mentioned repeatedly, you really haven't posted anything that helps the town. Instead, your posts have been inflammatory and disruptive. As a result, I feel obligated to leave my vote on you.



##vote Qatol

This is so contradictory. You can't understand why there is no push back (maybe the fact that Kaley could be town?) so you'll vote Kaley regardless?

It's not even a reason to scum read Kaley. Kaley is poking at rayn because rayn's points blatantly pointed towards policy lyncing Kaley. You are simply voting the highest wagon (that could well be town) that is currently active under the guise of policy/scum lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 10:12 GMT
#212
I didn't realise Qatol had voted Kaley before that post. Regardless, the point still stands.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 10:17 GMT
#213
In Qatol's world he originated the vote on Kaley, saw that Rayn had essentially policy lynched Kaley (even if he calls it a scum read, Qatol still thought it was a policy), saw and even commented on Rels' vote exclaiming it said absolutely nothing and saw my original vote which was based on Kaley failing on some rhymes.

Then he says there's no push back, can't understand why and doubles down on the vote despite not really getting an answer to any of the votes he questions.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:14 GMT
#218
I never said I strongly town read Kaley at all. I just didn't scum read Kaley.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:17 GMT
#220
I voted for the person who I thought made the scummiest post, that is all. I don't think a logical player like Qatol who sees 3 policy votes on Kaley and hasn't really got a proper explanation for any of them would continue voting for Kaley if they were town. I think it's quite obvious why there would be no push back in that regard so making that post is counter intuitive to what I would do or think in his position.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:18 GMT
#221
I don't think I ever said I had a town read on Kaley at all. Where did I say that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:23 GMT
#225
On September 09 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote:
I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned.

Will try and post more.

I do not know what is this if it is not a townread.


It's not a scum read. I don't put weight into what you say that people that get irate at you for policy-ing them are mafia, that's all. It's not a town read and not a scum read. If I had to make a gut call in that specific situation I would favour someone doing that to be town but I never did that in this game and it's irrelevant to what I'm actually saying about Qatol.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:25 GMT
#226
On September 09 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i didn't start being a dick, so you also got that all wrong too.


You weren't really, no. I think that post was just piggy backing off someone else's comment though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:27 GMT
#227
On September 08 2018 04:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh I can't understand it.

There isn't even a reason given for why she voted rayn so how can you take this push to be genuine.

On September 08 2018 04:34 KelsierSC wrote:
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On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck, i try to make this very simple.
If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing.

And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax.


alternatively kaley could be a smurf town just dicking around voting you.

gut vivax has stated he believes the push is genuine so that doesn't make his reasoning sound either.


Don't get these two posts next to each other. Bit weird playing devil's advocate for no reason when you first state the posts aren't good.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 11:28 GMT
#228
On September 09 2018 20:25 Holyflare wrote:
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On September 09 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i didn't start being a dick, so you also got that all wrong too.


You weren't really, no. I think that post was just piggy backing off someone else's comment though.


Actually, no, it wasn't. I thought you were being sexist and so the point still stands. Comments were dick-ish. Kaley was also dick-ish though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 14:22 GMT
#237
On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this:

You are saying this:
Show nested quote +
I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick

When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless:
1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened)
2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia).

Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town?


About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even.

Just because I don't agree with you or other people that this makes Kaley mafia does not also infer I think Kaley is town nor is it a town read. It's a read that means I don't think that specific point makes that specific person mafia.

I don't know why you are trying so hard to put words in my mouth that I never quite said but you should stop.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 14:25 GMT
#238
On September 09 2018 23:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2018 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree i was, i am not saying i wasn't. But i also know what i read and i didn't start it. But that's not my point and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is this:

You are saying this:
I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick

When you made this comment i can only assume it is a townread unless:
1) Someone had called Kaley mafia because of him being a dick to me (which imo never happened)
2) Since the above never happened, you think this is a reason for Kaley to be town (it outweighs the reasons for him being mafia).

Since you now claim this is not a case, why did you decide to defend your null read based on an argument noone ever made, and you yourself don't think makes him town?


About three people called Kaley mafia because they were posting in rhymes and being specifically antagonistic towards you. It's the entire basis for Qatol's scum read even.

Just because I don't agree with you or other people that this makes Kaley mafia does not also infer I think Kaley is town nor is it a town read. It's a read that means I don't think that specific point makes that specific person mafia.

I don't know why you are trying so hard to put words in my mouth that I never quite said but you should stop.


And I didn't even use the post to "defend" Kaley either. I came in the game and voted Kaley because I thought they weren't really doing anything other than half baked rhymes. Reading through a bit more gave me slightly different conclusions.

You keep saying it's a town read but if I was even that concerned why didn't I move my vote? Didn't even move it till I saw the Qatol post and rels joining for 0 reasons.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 14:30 GMT
#239
Now, if we could get back to actually relevant stuff. People that aren't rayn talking about Qatol would be good.

Rayn talking about Kelsier posts would also be good.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 15:17 GMT
#243
I didn't say or ask about anything to do with Serge....
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 09 2018 22:07 GMT
#264
Sergio cool now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 16 2018 18:48 GMT
#835
Kaley is a new person. I also agree with them but take note that they also contributed heavily to the toxicity on day 1.

I would have loved to play in this game but would have probably tried to lynch Qatol day 2.

The reason I, and likely many others, scum read you is because you made too many assumptions that to me looked like TMI. When prplhz asked why Koshi was shot and you said it was obviously because he was blue and here were his crumbs it looked really off. The same with how you treated the damdred lynch, providing no proper case or alternative and then berating (not negatively) for an afk lynch.

I think that's a fault on my part mostly though because if I thought a little deeper Koshi wasn't shot because he was obviously blue. I figured that out after the Vivax rb claim and death (which I also thought made Vivax mafia). The fact they didn't rb Koshi meant he was just a kill like any other. Since he wasn't playing great at all then it was far more likely to be a rayn night kill or possibly rels/kelsier than any other.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
September 16 2018 23:10 GMT
#837
I don't think any reasonable person would expect Koshi to nk me n1 over any given afker though.
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