Newbie Student Mafia XXIX - Page 39

On September 15 2018 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you do what you can with the time you have, scum or town. you are claiming you would have -- as mafia -- come here and feed some "bullshit", but as town you didn't care enough to even share your opinion on those times?

On September 15 2018 07:18 Rels wrote:

I never had any opinion to share

On September 08 2018 23:17 Rels wrote:
Sergio is almost lock town for me
rayn Koshi and KSC look town too
I want to lynch Kaley

On September 11 2018 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to star by answering this:

If you are going to tell me you seriously read Kaley as town after maybe 40 hours of D1 then you can die in a fire, because what you posted about him early on in D1 was a complete misconstrue of what he was saying (giving reads as you said -- which he definitely wasnt), especially going later onto D1.

My read on Kelsier is coming soon.

I am not defending you. I am pointing out irrational behavior by someone else where the target happens to be you, not to even mention HF asked for my read on Kelsier. Right now i don't think you are mafia but even if i did i would point such behavior out just because accusing someone (even someone i read as mafia) based on non-sensical reasons is just BS and points out towards them being mafia.

idk if i have to still explain my read ok Koshi, if you think tha's relevant then go ahead and ask me to explain but the point on it is he made some posts that i found out almost impossible to come from mafia!Koshi. I also didn't care to focus on explaining my townread who was never under any threat of being lynched over other thigns i did D1.
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I think Kelsier is mafia basically because especially on D2 (and that Serge read D1-N1) is based on stuff that other people did. What Kelsier has done D2 is that he has created a narrative and for that he calls out some people. He makes an assumption why Koshi died, creates scenarios about what that means, and makes "reads" out of it. Except that nothing in those reads is based on what the person he scumreads actually did. Koshi can be right or Koshi can be wrong, but whatever Koshi said or did is not a reason for anyone to be mafia, otherwise Holyflare should have flipped red. I understand the idea behind Kelsier's mindset, but he is using Koshi as a REASON to read certain people as he does, and that's just lazy, cheap, and wrong. Because that's not how this game works.

Other than that, let's go to look at those things, especially Kelsier's last big post. I find out there to be some huge problems:
1) Discounting everything else, why is Kelsier voting for Serge over Vivax right now? After all he has actual reasons to think Vivax is mafia, i mean like almost all his D1 is attacking Vivax and it is 100% certain that 0-posts Vivax doesn't at least look better D2 than he did D1.
2) There is no reasoning on Serge being mafia over Vivax (his top scumread D1) right now that wasn't there already on D1 as per his words, except for the below (which i find not reasonable at all).
3) Kelsier scumreads Serge on D1 for something that was not enough to switch his vote from Vivax. I think that should not be a reason to switch his vote come D2 either since Vivax hasn't made a single post after telling us how he "has a pretty good clue of who is mafia but he needs to wait until D2". Right now he is backing up his read on Serge with "Koshi and Holyflare thought Serge is mafia", which first of all isn't a reasonable reason to call anyone mafia (i talked about this earlier) and also there is the fact that the last posts HF and Koshi made on Serge are:


Now i cannot be sure if Koshi states here he doesn't think Serge is mafia anymore or not, and we unfortunately cannot ask him, but that doesn't sound like a hard scumread anymore. Holyflare definitely doesn't have a scumread on Serge anymore. All this happened during N1. Even the narrative Kelsier is pushing is factually incorrect here.

As a cherry on top of the cake he says this:

What's the point of voting for someone who you aren't even planning on lynching????? The pressure factor is gone right here because Kelsier basically said he is going to do something else by the end of the day.
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TLDR:
- I think logically town!Kelsier should be voting for Vivax over Serge
- I think Kelsier isn't using arguments based on what the person he accuses actually did (or even didn't)
- Even his narrative (above) is based on irrational conclusions or missing some crucial posts
- He is already backing off from lynching the people he apparently wants to lynch onto an inactive lynch.

##vote Kelsier

On September 15 2018 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

this is an example

On September 15 2018 07:21 Rels wrote:

yeah and after this day I didn't have the time to play until the end of D2

On September 15 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:
that case is convincing actually. Will fact check it

On September 15 2018 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why did you say it never happened?

On September 15 2018 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think i make a case that does not fact check even if i am mafia?