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On June 28 2018 02:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I got used to Conversion and rayn going at each other when theyre both town... so nothing new to see folks. They used to do this back in ye olden days as well? @Conversion, did you ever get around to that meta read of ShoCkeyy? How confident are you in that read?
I never get along with rayn. Well, except Vendee when we were rather civil to each other but that's cause we barely talked at each other, hence why I suggested we don't talk to each other and cut it short.
I am finally on a computer now, so let me dig.
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On June 28 2018 02:16 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:11 Conversion wrote:
I don’t understand why I’m considered toxic for calling you, Regfan/Gemma, out for coming to the conclusion of being “okay” with a lynch when there are clear, STRONG scumreads from your other posts? Yeah, I could have packed it up nicer, but I attacked your stance and words. It’s BS to think that town would be “okay” with a lynch instead of pushing for their clear scum reads, especially one (two?) who has the presence of mind to be able to talk through and actively drive discussion.
You got mad at me because I didn’t “address” any of your other glaring concerns because I didn’t disagree with anything else but that. The fact that you’re still carrying on with a “I’ll lynch a null read over my town Calix read” instead of convincing others on your stronger scum reads does not give you town credibilty in my eyes. None whatsoever. I didn't call you toxic. Who are you even talking to? I'm voting Vivax, I've never tried to lynch you at any point in this game. And I didn't get mad at you, btw. -G
On June 27 2018 22:29 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:19 Conversion wrote:On June 27 2018 22:11 Regfan wrote:
Conversion
I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever.
Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male.
#216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way.
I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad.
I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad.
His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean.
I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me.
I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake.
I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts.
I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great.
-G These are exactly the type of posts I have an issue with concerning your play. You make this long-winded post that is teetering on the edge of painting me scum, and even saying you wouldn’t mind lynching me, but then you do this soft cry for help shit. Stick to your guns and actually push and make a read? If my playstyle is scummy to you, then stick to that. If you’re unsure, then don’t lynch me over your stronger scumreads If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks. -G
On June 27 2018 22:44 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:37 Conversion wrote:
I’m not “dictating” how you play, I’m calling bullshit on you partly scumreading me because I’m trying to “debunk” your towncred. I had bad feelings about you even though what you were doing is town-aligned, hence the question to the thread. I moved on from it pretty quickly once it got no steam and I resolved myself you being most likely town and moving on to figuring out who I want to lynch D1.
If you don’t want me talking to your points, don’t ask me to softly clarify in your posts. Simple as that. Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off. -G
Annoyed is the better word I suppose. Also your post on how "half the game" is insulting your playstyle, and I am distinctly in your filter as telling someone to screw off for insulting your playstyle.
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@Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=all
but I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:27 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:24 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:10 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 11:09 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 10:55 Tictock wrote:And I'm caught up. I dislike Shokey calling out people who haven't posted yet this early in the game. Also people should talk about this: What do you make of HF voting Damer, the pressuring you for also thinking Damer might be mafia? HF wasn't pressuring conv for thinking damer might be mafia. He pressured him because of the reasons he gave for disliking him weren't good. and you haven't followed up with anything, either. What's your opinion on the thread so far? Am I scummy for acting similarly to my last game? What about Shockey? Is he clear lynch bait, or is he mafia? What's your opinion on the interactions between me, rux, and HF? What's your opinion on TicTock's string of posts, and the conclusion he comes from it? true Well I think your reasoning for disliking damerion seemed pretty forced. Like if you had to think of something because you got asked. To the other things: If I don't say anything about other things it usally means I have no opinon on them. I'm newbie so it is still hard for me to figure out how I interpret posts and I prefer to wait until more is said before I give hasty reads I change anyways. So yes you are scummy. Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied? I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum  I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote:
I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote:
someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I chose to dodge it, so there's my reason. I don't need to deal with you anymore but you insist, I've caught you messing up with your own posts, I've already proven that my reading comprehension isn't off, and you're easily triggered. I rather deal with others at this point.
And you're not being any help. Brb my sun here. you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder On November 03 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Well my vote stands and I explained why I'm not going to vote TT.
I'm not feeling a Ruxxar lynch either atm.
Shockey is simply the best lynch and I'm not going to do anything besides pointing to today's arguments and voting him for the rest of the game.
As I said, lynch shockey or feed. I mirror this part 1000%
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The thing about TT is that he has a thread presence but refuses to address direct concerns by specific people? He also keeps townleaning/townreading me through others, but never discusses anything with me.. bizarre!
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On June 28 2018 03:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:26 Conversion wrote:@Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=allbut I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:27 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:24 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:10 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 11:09 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 10:55 Tictock wrote:And I'm caught up. I dislike Shokey calling out people who haven't posted yet this early in the game. Also people should talk about this: What do you make of HF voting Damer, the pressuring you for also thinking Damer might be mafia? HF wasn't pressuring conv for thinking damer might be mafia. He pressured him because of the reasons he gave for disliking him weren't good. and you haven't followed up with anything, either. What's your opinion on the thread so far? Am I scummy for acting similarly to my last game? What about Shockey? Is he clear lynch bait, or is he mafia? What's your opinion on the interactions between me, rux, and HF? What's your opinion on TicTock's string of posts, and the conclusion he comes from it? true Well I think your reasoning for disliking damerion seemed pretty forced. Like if you had to think of something because you got asked. To the other things: If I don't say anything about other things it usally means I have no opinon on them. I'm newbie so it is still hard for me to figure out how I interpret posts and I prefer to wait until more is said before I give hasty reads I change anyways. So yes you are scummy. Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied? I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote:
I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote:
someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I chose to dodge it, so there's my reason. I don't need to deal with you anymore but you insist, I've caught you messing up with your own posts, I've already proven that my reading comprehension isn't off, and you're easily triggered. I rather deal with others at this point.
And you're not being any help. Brb my sun here. you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder On November 03 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Well my vote stands and I explained why I'm not going to vote TT.
I'm not feeling a Ruxxar lynch either atm.
Shockey is simply the best lynch and I'm not going to do anything besides pointing to today's arguments and voting him for the rest of the game.
As I said, lynch shockey or feed. I mirror this part 1000% I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way. The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter. He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips. He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word. Actually seems to be having fun in that game. There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town. I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds.
I'm not comparing playstyles, was just giving an example of me being frustrated at Shockeyy's playstyle and seeing a connection between you and him to me and him in a previous game. I don't like comparing meta TOO much unless I feel like it's completely different from a recent game.. like I did with rsoultin at Vendee since I just end up wasting a ton of time as decent mafia players just play similarly town or mafia
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Tictock why aren't you talking with me
Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix
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Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read
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On June 28 2018 05:07 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago. I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it. So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything? My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over.
Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive.
Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that.
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On June 28 2018 06:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 06:14 Conversion wrote:On June 28 2018 05:07 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air. You only came out and said your HF read wasn't serious (yet at the same time you still implied he could be mafia kus you called him "unimpressive") 7 hours ago. I also remember you doing this gung-ho lynch HF d1 stuff before. It is clearly something you just do, which is why I said ppl should ignore it. So tell me, how was I misrepresenting anything? My kneejerk reaction brain wants to suggest a Rayn/Conv/Sho team right now. I am also apparently unable to stop responding to whatever I feel like, and am probably not getting to doing any filters before my meal is over. Since when does calling someone unimpressive imply they are mafia? Unimpressive means unimpressive. Also find a game where I tried to legitimately get HF lynched day one all “gung-ho” style, cause I can’t remember ever doing that. Hey hey. TT is like super town. So instead of fighting with him, vote ShoCkeyy.
The dude is still completely misrepresenting me, sticking with it, and then even saying knee-jerk I am scum after softly calling me town all game? Hasn't talked to me at all until this post.
That is not town, like at all.
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Also HF if you're serious about lynching a completely random inactive AFKer, which I am 99% sure you are not, I will vote to lynch you with fire.
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is it time for Conversion to modkill himself?
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Losing to my national embarrassment of a team is enough for one person 
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On June 28 2018 06:47 Calix wrote:
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Did I enter a troll game without realising it?
Am I the only person who actually wants to lynch mafia?
Currently the vote count is atrocious, votes are really close, and nobody gives a flying fuck about consolidation. TT wants to vote rayn who isn't getting lynched. HF wants to vote BF because of some sports thing, and I swear to God if Conversion votes for HF, I'm dumping an entire landfill of Lego bricks over his fancy new house.
We should all join hands, sing kumbaya, and lynch HF together. Also legos are expensive!
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I am back. I didn't read shit, but TT isn't even voting to save himself? Lol.
We should lynch Holyflare for randomly switching to boxerfred
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I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in.
Choo choo?
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Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself.
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On June 28 2018 07:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:51 Conversion wrote:
I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in.
Choo choo? And why am I mafia exactly?
Because you randomly try to divert a lynch onto an AFKer who is irrelevant?
also if this is a no modkill game I'm just AFKing until end game
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On June 28 2018 07:53 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself. So mafia!TT's brilliant plan is to kill himself?
On top of everything else, he is more likely to flip mafia than town. IF he is town he needs to fuck off with his emo TL mafia is trash garbage monologue he's doing and actually play to save himself on a scum read HE ACTUALLY HAS
win-win either way
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On June 28 2018 07:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:53 Conversion wrote:On June 28 2018 07:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 07:51 Conversion wrote:
I think we have a good shot of lynching HF. Me+ Vivax + Calix, TT if he joins in.
Choo choo? And why am I mafia exactly? Because you randomly try to divert a lynch onto an AFKer who is irrelevant? also if this is a no modkill game I'm just AFKing until end game And why does that make me mafia if I could quite easily lynch someone that's talking?
In what town world is lynching an irrelevant 0 information poster on day 1 a better alternative to even mislynching and giving us information?
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alright Calix I'll listen to you
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