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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 10 2018 23:48 GMT
#214
On June 11 2018 08:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 08:31 Grackaroni wrote:
I wasn't really crazy about either of the lynches


Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 11 2018 01:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think it's genuine for rayn to town read you based on what you have posted so far?

No I don't think so I would expect my filter to piss him off.


Why wasn't rayn's seemingly fake town read on you enough to feel stronger that he was mafia?

Like I said earlier, he went out of his way to call you town at a point in the game where you hadn't even really said anything.

lol idk what to say I bungled it. I didn't feel like town was going to lynch mafia today based on how the day went.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 11 2018 21:44 GMT
#248
Oh noes I will surely be killed.

Please save me MR. Doctor.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 14:31 GMT
#325
Mocsta
Rayn
HF

In order of towniness. I feel pretty good about this much. I misread HF last game but there were a lot of signs that I didn't pick up on in retrospect. His posts are much more investigatory and I think he picks up on worthwhile things to push in his Fuba/Grackaroni posts. Last game he basically just chose strong targets and attempted to spew them as scum like Fuba said. I have a different feel towards him this game than last game.

I want to lynch Koshi for his Mocsta read. We usually have pretty similar reads on things and Mocsta's posts after the day 1 flip are extremely townie and (imo) entertaining to read:

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 11 2018 08:22 Mocsta wrote:
right HF. keep being big mommy and berating everyone.

you're just as bad as kita. damned if you do, damned if you don't.
what, so i am the only one voting kita and then you would say why i wasted my vote.

we dont even know rayn alignment and you are shitting on everyone.
GTFO.

the only post i have somewhat respect for is #201. keep that up pls.

On June 11 2018 08:51 Mocsta wrote:
#208 regarding me is highly superficial
i have discussed rayns kita read. In fact, theres probably 3-4 posts between me + rayn on it.

how have I misconstrued anything?
for someone that is talking about finding information to narrow things down, you are doing a heck of job of predetermining outcomes.

secondly. regarding mafia faux pas, and its converse = town mentality.
The only person in my opinion that has actively tried to narrow down things beyond early game is rayn. your #1 target.

Since the palmar flip, you can paint your posts in whatever colours you want.
The facts remain.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to reconsider rayn content.
You have demonstrated zero disposition to consider people outside rayn.
You have demonstrated disposition towards berating those that did not vote rayn.

There is too little content in the game to be tunneled. I find this scummy.


#207 is outright stupid.
Why should i be focused on team pairings. Associations is always POST FLIP.
I thought kita was meant to be an analytical player?

On June 11 2018 08:58 Mocsta wrote:
#213 i can see your perspective, but i dont undrestand why you hold it.

like fuba to me reads like a feeler rather than a thinker.
Why would you hold him to the same cold hard logical disposition of an introverted thinker?

in my opinion, a feeler is more likely to cotton onto other arguments to join bandwagons, rather than put up blank positions that people like you can instantly shit on.

Happy to be proven wrong from a meta dive if you can point in the right direction.
i suspect im not far off the mark though.



On June 12 2018 19:59 Koshi wrote:
I think from all players i like mocsta the least. Mafia wise I mean ofc

Really does almost nothing

On June 12 2018 20:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe Ido him short but his posts are the most boring and he just repeats the content of posts others made

Yawn

I think Koshi is just choosing Mocsta because he seems lynchable based off HF/Kitaman pressure rather than this being his own read. Also I suspect that the Superbia night kill was made by either Koshi or Rels.

Voting Koshi.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 15:20 GMT
#330
Actually I think Fuba is likely mafia.

Last game his posts are really bland without any attitude whatsoever. He basically just likes to give an update of who he is suspecting throughout the day. It seems like he's trying to add more flair to his posts this game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/533201-elementary-mafia?user=fuba

This post in particular bothers me when compared to his filter last game since it seems uncharacteristically nonchalant.

On June 11 2018 05:12 fuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:37 fuba wrote:
On June 11 2018 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 11 2018 02:05 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I'm going to go with a Koshi vote though I don't feel too strongly about it.

The only person I like so far is Fuba.


I think fuba might be mafia. He's way too defensive of rayn over not much. Talking in absolutes makes rayn not mafia? Don't think that's ever been a thing and I don't believe he believes it.

I'm glad someone is suspicious of me - too many people saying they like me on D1 is weird.

And I do believe it - that's the kind of thing I'll say as town but have never thought to say as mafia. And it's not just talking in absolutes - it's defending yourself in absolutes. Different thing.


I said exactly those same things you're referencing last game when I was mafia and you didn't bring up this point once.

Did you? I don't recall. Guess there's something else about rayn that makes me feel that way. *Shrugs*


Also I don't like that he was joking around with people at the start of the game after reading that last filter. His attitude seems very different.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 15:54 GMT
#332
On June 12 2018 11:30 Tubesock wrote:
For anyone who’s played more with Grack:

I think of Grack as a player who normally doesn’t really care what the rest of the players think about him. I’ve been in and seen him in games go completely against the tide and not care at all if people scum read him. Fearless.

I think him worrying about how his vote would look right after a “It’s SHENANNY time!” Post is very strange.

Am I wrong? (Not to mention why he wouldn’t just kill rayn because it seemed he wanted him dead more so than Palmar)

There are many MOODS of the Grackaroni:

Petty Grack
Angry Grack
Grack having fun
Bored Grack
OMGUS Grack.
Stealthy Grack.

I think the one last night most aligns with Clueless Grack.

That Grack is a good Grack. Scum Grack thinks before doings things. Town Grack is derpy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 19:00 GMT
#335
On June 13 2018 03:55 kitaman27 wrote:
...anyone?

GRACK
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 19:31 GMT
#338
I don't agree with what you wrote about Mocsta.
I'm taking another look at Rayn.

Maybe.

I think a case could be made that he's giving out town reads early on to try to buddy people. I don't know why he says he likes Superbia/Kelsier in his first post.

There were things I liked from him later on though so I'll respond more in a minute.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 19:36 GMT
#339
He actually does give a sensible answer to the point above:
On June 10 2018 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think Kelsier and Superbia are trying to look like they are playing, they are just doing their own stuff. Basically i don't think they have teammates.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 19:53 GMT
#341
On June 13 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
that's the most bull shit point I've ever heard though?

No I think that seems like a plausible Rayn thought process.

Rayn's scumhunting is a mix of trying to get into different players' heads and analyzing how each player would approach the game + angry OMGUS.

It looks weird to you because I think your style is mostly based on looking for inconsistent statements/actions.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 19:54 GMT
#342
He explains that more fully here:

Which I think is actually correct logic.
On June 12 2018 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
On June 12 2018 14:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes
is that purely by association with kita?

no, he just came out of a game where he played quite townie. I would assume he would try to emulate that as mafia since he sure as hell is capable of it. Also the eod1 incriminates him for those black-and-white thinkers (which this game is apparently full of) and there is not really any scum reason for him to do what he did unless he wants to gain my trust which isn't really hot fuzz atm.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 20:06 GMT
#343
HF vote Fuba for a good lynch.

The only reason Rayn is under so much suspicion is because he has been tunneling the three people who voted for him, and I don't think he's more likely to do that as mafia than as town. Other than that and one early post his filter looks fine.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 20:17 GMT
#345
@Kita I give him more credit now after seeing his explanations.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 20:46 GMT
#348
Kita case with Grackaroni comments in bold.
On June 13 2018 00:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Now on to Mocsta...

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
kita is mafia for going to the effort of splitting kelsier post into mini quotes

BiG job right thurr.. and for what???


Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 23:32 Mocsta wrote:
You dont think its weird to dig for quotes from 2015?

Too stupid to be conceived pregame and too much effort for a game we are too busy to play.


He starts off the game accusing me of being mafia for my joke post about KSC because I'm putting in too much effort.

I don't care about this
1) KSC's post was made pre-game and obviously can't be interpreted as alignment indicative
2) I clearly wasn't trying to argue that KSC was mafia by poking fun at his busy comment
3) In what world do I think I'm going to earn myself town cred as mafia but throwing together a bunch of quotes. Who here looked at that post as thought "wow look at that! kita really is try harding this game. Town leader material for sure"?

Again I don't care about this. I don't think any of this makes either of you two more likely mafia. Mocsta also has a point (that he made earlier) that he dropped this point on you a while ago because he only viewed it as worthy of a beginning of game read
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2018 07:31 Mocsta wrote:mafia know the most info day1 and when coupled with our level of play leads this towards a town tell. intentional twisting from kita.


I called him out for the forced read and then he immediately spins it back to me. It's pretty clear that he's already made up his mind that I'm mafia at this point. His explanation about how mafia know more info day 1 isn't relevant in the slightest to the fact that he is suspicious of my joke post.

And from his perspective he called you out and you immediately spun the accusation back at him

The fact that rayn instantly town reads mocsta is what creeps me out even more. No way a town rayn takes a look at mocsta's try hard KSC post argument and finds it valid. He conveniently never actually comments on that, rather than instantly shooting it down the bad logic like HF.

I think this is the comment you meant?
On June 10 2018 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree on the points on Koshi and Mocsta, i jut don't think the points make either of them mafia.

I don't see anything wrong with Rayn's post here. Perhaps Mocsta actually thought that you taking the time to string together your early game post was scummy rather than pretend that he thought it was scummy as a way to contribute?


Show nested quote +
On June 10 2018 21:10 Mocsta wrote:
i think you are over exaggerating the intensity of his vote on you.


Then he follows up his attack on me by calling the way I treated rayn as scummy. However he ignores that argument that's being made. This post seems as if he views my vote on rayn as an early game feeler vote to get a reaction from rayn, but why would he take this perspective if Mocsta thinks I'm mafia? If I'm mafia then vote intensity seems irrelevant since I'm trying to push the mislynch. Furthermore, he ignores the rayn town read on grack as part of my case and focuses only on the Palmar stuff, while ignoring the way rayn goes about it.

The point against Rayn town reads is fine for a point against Rayn but I don't think it needs to stretch towards Mocsta.
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2018 15:03 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless of fuba/grack being the same timestamp, grack 90% sealed rayn fate when he voted iamp.

kita/grack/?iamp? as a 3-way?


Why regardless? Isn't that relevant? What are you trying to argue here?

That me and grack conspired to keep rayn alive? rayn reached majority first so he was getting lynched at the time of the iamp vote, which means we had to anticipate the fuba vote, and then have grack ready for the failed hammer in an effort to get one townie lynched over another townie? That all seems so convoluted that I'm really struggling that think that you actually believe it as a scenario rather than just throwing out random stuff as an attempt to make it seem like you're trying to figure things out.

I don't know what this is from him.

Mostly I think that you/Rayn/Mocsta are flooding out the game with fights that nobody else has any interest in. But there are some specific posts I like from Mocsta and I think he is quite unlikely to be mafia.


Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 23:24 GMT
#363
There's not much to be done when it's just the same people posting all day.

I actually think Kitaman is town too now

I just want to hear more from Rels and Koshi.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 12 2018 23:30 GMT
#365
On June 13 2018 08:27 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2018 08:24 Grackaroni wrote:
There's not much to be done when it's just the same people posting all day.

I actually think Kitaman is town too now

I just want to hear more from Rels and Koshi.
*BANGS HEAD AGAINST WALL*

fine, i will stop posting for a bit.

lol to be fair I've never really thought Kita was scum to begin with. I've mostly held out on reading him because he seems like a good player.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 13 2018 21:49 GMT
#438
On June 14 2018 06:46 Holyflare wrote:
you pretty much just confirmed yourself mafia with iamp kita :D

lol why would you kill Iamp then over Kita.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 13 2018 21:54 GMT
#442
On June 14 2018 06:53 TheSlenderMan wrote:
Goddamnit how do I use the filter here? I know it exists and is super-handy but I can't find it. :/

On the first page in the player list you can click on any of the names for their filter.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 13 2018 22:19 GMT
#463
I caved to the peer pressure!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 13 2018 22:34 GMT
#489
On June 14 2018 07:32 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2018 07:28 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
HF you know what

fuck you.
i want that apology from koshi, and i want to wipe that stupid grin from your face

+ i just got super tied up with EoFY stuff as well

##Unvote
##Vote: Mocsta

I cannot apologize for calling you a dumb townie if you go out like a dumb townie.

Just an fyi.
Well its pointless

im dumb for wanting to vote kita
im dumb for wanting to vote koshi

that only leaves myself..

Meh being dumb isn't so bad. There's none of the pressure of trying to be smart and you can say whatever the fuck you want.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 13 2018 22:36 GMT
#493
You missed the dumb Mocsta vote by the way.
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