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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 00:30 GMT
#751
On May 28 2018 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:
My god holyflare might be actually mafia.

Why would mafia HF vote his partner at the very last minute? I don't think HF would do that at all given he was on you with byj.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 00:31 GMT
#752
Hell he could of voted df or Koshi EoD to save jealous if he was mafia so it would of been a stupid mistake from him to vote jealous at EoD like that.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 01:06 GMT
#757
On May 28 2018 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 09:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:
My god holyflare might be actually mafia.

Why would mafia HF vote his partner at the very last minute? I don't think HF would do that at all given he was on you with byj.


Jealous was still the lynch when HF voted him. So, trying to gain town cred, like he is gaining from you.

But actually, I'll reevaluate it, maybe I'm being a bit paranoid of HF.

Note to myself: Holyflare tried a lot of counterwagons before voting Jealous. Grack, Koshi, Me. Keeping this in mind to not dismiss the possibility that he is mafia.

Sacing 1 guy this early is to stupid to do which would handicap himself for no reason at all...
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 01:13 GMT
#760
On May 28 2018 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 10:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:30 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:08 GlowingBear wrote:
My god holyflare might be actually mafia.

Why would mafia HF vote his partner at the very last minute? I don't think HF would do that at all given he was on you with byj.


Jealous was still the lynch when HF voted him. So, trying to gain town cred, like he is gaining from you.

But actually, I'll reevaluate it, maybe I'm being a bit paranoid of HF.

Note to myself: Holyflare tried a lot of counterwagons before voting Jealous. Grack, Koshi, Me. Keeping this in mind to not dismiss the possibility that he is mafia.

Sacing 1 guy this early is to stupid to do which would handicap himself for no reason at all...


Yeah, yeah, you're right.

What do you think of fuba atm?

Seemed a bit more me focused early? Idk man his filter is odd but nothing screams out from his filter outside of that. Null.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 01:45 GMT
#764
On May 28 2018 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
And now I'll live my life because shit I'm wasting too much time playing this alone.

I did answer your questions towards em and did tell you about the vote count stuff....
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 02:04 GMT
#766
On May 28 2018 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 10:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
And now I'll live my life because shit I'm wasting too much time playing this alone.

I did answer your questions towards em and did tell you about the vote count stuff....


I didn't mean I was literally playing alone

I just meant that nothing is really going on after the rayn kill

Sorry, you're a fluffy little friendly poney that played with me

Oh and lol... I hope HF and other people will start showing up soon.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 03:56 GMT
#767
Man no one talked after my last post this rather depressing >.> Hopefully it will pick up after I fall asleep. Will check everything tomorrow morning!
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 13:50 GMT
#793
Just woke up:
On May 28 2018 19:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


Rayn was killed because HF is either mafia or very wrong.


Or Koshi is mafia and killed rayn because he was the only almost universally townread guy still going against him.
Unlikely.

That would be a dumb thing to do for Koshi because why put all the attention on you after your scum mate got lynched Day 1? It's a stupid play for Koshi as mafia to kill Rayn in all scenarios.

This is really not true.

And somewhat weird you are not more tunneled on me because you are scumreading me hard enough to want to murder me.

I would expect the opposite conclusion from somebody who scumreads me.

During the night phase when you started posting again I started question my own scumread on you hence why I tried to talk to HF and Rayn about you more but then the night kill made me get completely untunneled because I don't think you would put all the attention on yourself as scum by night killing rayn.
On May 28 2018 19:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 06:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I can start the wagon then.
##Vote: Koshi
I think he got a higher chance to flip scum than Grack.

Why Koshi instead of Jealous?

Don't you usually dislike voting off good players early?

I don't really think Jealous is scum just maybe a bit misunderstood? Also remember my last game I lynched Oats Day 1?

Can you explain this post better?

Why is Jealous town?
What about Jealous was misunderstood in the thread?
And what has this to do with you and Oats last game?

I didn't have him town was more of a null just I thought at the time that people couldn't understand his pictures mainly rayn. Also the Oats and me thing from last game was a answer to Grack about lynching high profile players as he asked if I don't usually lynch good players Day 1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 13:51 GMT
#794
On May 28 2018 22:41 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


rayn was killed because he was obviously town and helped lead a lynch on scum

it wasn't odd at all. if I were doc I would've saved him last night

Not on Night 1 because doctor is only 1 shot. Most likely will be used Night 2 or Night 3 at least how I would think they would do it.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 16:00 GMT
#802
On May 29 2018 00:48 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 22:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up:
On May 28 2018 19:26 Koshi wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also that rayn kill was odd I thought they would kill HF over Rayn but maybe Rayn was killed because he was more active within the last few hours than HF? Just WIFOM most likely.


Rayn was killed because HF is either mafia or very wrong.


Or Koshi is mafia and killed rayn because he was the only almost universally townread guy still going against him.
Unlikely.

That would be a dumb thing to do for Koshi because why put all the attention on you after your scum mate got lynched Day 1? It's a stupid play for Koshi as mafia to kill Rayn in all scenarios.

This is really not true.

And somewhat weird you are not more tunneled on me because you are scumreading me hard enough to want to murder me.

I would expect the opposite conclusion from somebody who scumreads me.

During the night phase when you started posting again I started question my own scumread on you hence why I tried to talk to HF and Rayn about you more but then the night kill made me get completely untunneled because I don't think you would put all the attention on yourself as scum by night killing rayn.
On May 28 2018 19:30 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:36 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I can start the wagon then.
##Vote: Koshi
I think he got a higher chance to flip scum than Grack.

Why Koshi instead of Jealous?

Don't you usually dislike voting off good players early?

I don't really think Jealous is scum just maybe a bit misunderstood? Also remember my last game I lynched Oats Day 1?

Can you explain this post better?

Why is Jealous town?
What about Jealous was misunderstood in the thread?
And what has this to do with you and Oats last game?

I didn't have him town was more of a null just I thought at the time that people couldn't understand his pictures mainly rayn. Also the Oats and me thing from last game was a answer to Grack about lynching high profile players as he asked if I don't usually lynch good players Day 1.

Maybe maybe. I bolded something in the nested quote and I really dont like you ended that sentence with a question mark.

But maybe I am nitpicking.

I answered the bolded? You just being a bit nitpicking about that. But if you must kjnow why that ended with a question mark it was because I still didn't know if people just couldn't understand his pictures or not or if it was a completely different reason why they were scumreading him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 16:01 GMT
#803
On May 29 2018 00:56 Koshi wrote:
I am not really kidding. I am town. Your defense on a good point against you is "Koshi might be mafia".

But I am not. So how do you defend in that situation? Dont you agree it is odd that Jealous was lyncjed with 3 votes when there are so many active people.

Meh.

Mafia busses anyway and there are no blues but still.

We have a blue just a 1 shot blue so meh. Sacing 1 teammate Day 1 in that scenario is dumb unless we happen to have at least 2 wagons on scum within that but still it just a odd thing happened EoD1.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 16:03 GMT
#804
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 18:40 GMT
#822
On May 29 2018 01:16 Holyflare wrote:
Who are we lynching and why isn't it gb?

I don't think it's GB why you think GB is scum still? Also what your thoughts on df and fuba wagons?
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.

I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????
On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1

If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.

Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.

I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.

I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase:
On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing

He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't.

True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered.

BUT

Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise.

There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor.


LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone.

Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that?

I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here:
https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi
But I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.

That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.

Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 19:09 GMT
#830
On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.

well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?

Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 19:13 GMT
#834
On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.

I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????

I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI.
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1

If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.

Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.

I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.

I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase:
On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing

He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't.

True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered.

BUT

Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise.

There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor.


LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone.

Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that?

I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here:
https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi
But I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.

That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.

Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.

In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?

On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post.

I like you gb. I like you.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Night 1



Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.



It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.

Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline.

This must be a joke.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ?

I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 19:15 GMT
#835
On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.

well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?

Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.

So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ?

Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 19:28 GMT
#839
On May 29 2018 04:16 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.

I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????

I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI.
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1

If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.

Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.

LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.

I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.

I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase:
On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't.

True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered.

BUT

Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise.

There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor.


LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone.

Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that?

I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here:
https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi
But I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.

That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.

Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.

In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?

On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post.

I like you gb. I like you.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Night 1



Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.



It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.

Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline.

This must be a joke.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ?

I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to.

I disagree completely. I think his reaction was way below what he would do as town. And it's not true he was surprised at not being lynched, since he was posting, so he knew he wasn't dead.

To each of their own I guess.
On May 29 2018 04:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.

well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?

Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.

So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ?

Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially.

mm. Statistically, maybe. But over such a low number of players, it's a gamble to use statistics to decide if the scums are AFK.

True but my guts thinks otherwise.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2018 19:40 GMT
#841
On May 29 2018 04:30 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:16 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:49 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<

Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.

I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????

I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI.
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:
On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase:
[quote]
There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor.


LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone.

Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that?

I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here:
https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=Koshi
But I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.

That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.

Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.

In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?

On May 27 2018 18:42 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
I really dislike how this wagon on Koshi was formed.

HF is attacking rayn throughout the entire game
Never votes rayn.
Rayn posts an "outdated" read on Koshi (come on, everybody read those posts and it was also object for discussion)
HF, without reevaluating Rayn, decides he is right and votes for Koshi

Then people pile up for absolute no reason. Fuba decided OH THAT WAS A GOOD CASE, LS brings a very flimsy reason to vote Koshi which I heavily dislike (and makes me lean scum on him).

This wagon doesn't sound right at all.

Dont forget df and Rels also made a +1 post.

I like you gb. I like you.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
On May 27 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Night 1



Jealous was lynched. He was a Vanilla.



It is now Night 1, which lasts 24 hours.

Night 1 ends on Sunday, May 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

Please submit night actions to both hosts at least 10 minutes before deadline.

This must be a joke.

On May 27 2018 18:49 Koshi wrote:
How the fuck did mafia fail to lynch me ?

I might be reading to much into it but his reaction when he noticed that jealous was lynched instead of him that he seemed genuinely surprised. The first does show a bit more effort trying to get other people to notice stuff to.

I disagree completely. I think his reaction was way below what he would do as town. And it's not true he was surprised at not being lynched, since he was posting, so he knew he wasn't dead.

To each of their own I guess.
On May 29 2018 04:22 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:12 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 04:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2018 03:47 Rels wrote:
On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.

well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?

Because I doubt they wouldn't just go afk at deadline or close to deadline. Unless they were trying to be cocky for some reason.

So basically, you think the 2 scums left are people who were not AFK at deadline, and who didn't vote Jealous ? So basically, they're in GB / fuba / I ?

Maybe 1 afk at most. I doubt both of them would be afk. They might be in the other wagons potentially.

mm. Statistically, maybe. But over such a low number of players, it's a gamble to use statistics to decide if the scums are AFK.

True but my guts thinks otherwise.

fair enough.
Who do you think is scum then ?

I'll be honest maybe fuba? His filter was mostly talking about me and nothing much really. Outside of that his filter was meh.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 29 2018 04:01 GMT
#942
I'll be honest that fight between gb and hf made my head spin and didn't post because I trying to comprehend the fight. Still struggling with figuring out the fight. Perhaps getting a good night's rest and rereading the points and filters of both of therm will make the fight more clear for me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 29 2018 13:41 GMT
#956
Just woke up:
On May 29 2018 19:45 Koshi wrote:
rayn, Grack, LS and GB are playing a really great game as either alignment.

The rest are either under par at the game possibly due to low activity for some.


Anyway. You should always lynch fuba and the new guy d2. But I have been wrong in the past.

Rayn is dead -.- I only had 1 good scum game but even then I lost because of sicklucker but I did it for Damdred T_T
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