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it's also Vanilla in the OP, only colored as red for scum
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On May 27 2018 18:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:33 Rels wrote:On May 27 2018 00:13 darthfoley wrote:
So my girlfriend surprise visited me yesterday so I'm gonna be busy this weekend plus I don't really give a shit about this game so fair warning.
I've finally read up
Townie:
Rels
Jealous
GB
GB has been very active and feels like he wants the game to progress. Rels has a townie vibe and shit. I enjoy Jealous's pictures and they aren't hard to read.
Scummy
Rayn
LS
grack
Rayn has been scummy because I don't like his line of attack on jealous at all. HF explained why it's dumb. LS and Grace have been active enough but I think they've kind of just been existing. I also didn't agree with Grack about how those were the towniest town posts Koshi has ever written. They looked like pretty normal Koshi random 100% declarations "this person is toppers of the tip top toppity top town"
Everyone else hasn't been memorable or is null This is such a scummy post. It's just a lazy list with one-line reasonning on a few reads. It's exactly what I would expect scum with no time or motivation to post. You are mafia. - No vote - No interaction with thread about this post.
Except my whole EOD has been talking about this post ...
You're in a unique position if you're town. From your POV, a lot of people are very likely town. All the people voting Jealous for starter. GB probably too, if I remember right, 'cause even though he switched at the very end, I think he was the one that consolidated the wagon. And DF too, 'cause if I remember right, he had a reason to switch to you when the vote was close, and didn't. I'll have to check if his vote would have changed the lynch at that point, but if yes, I don't think DF can be scum if you're not.
If you're scum, the game is a lot more open, a lot of people can be your partner. Basically everyone apart from the early votes on you and Jealous.
But from your POV, the game should be easy. So if you're town, please show it like you usually do.
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On May 27 2018 23:46 fuba wrote:Yeah, sorry g even after I didn't want to vote you I had nowhere else to go 😢
Why didn't you switch to anyone else ? Can you describe what you thought about the other options at the time ? Cause I think you had a post saying "meh Koshi is kinda townie actually" towards EOD, but you didn't switch to Jealous, DF or whoever GB wanted to switch to ... OK that was you I think p:
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On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:
LS:
Him trying to lead off/ defend Jealous seems suspicious to me, but I don't think Mafia would take such a gamble
What did he do that you think was too ballsy for scum ?
On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:
Koshi:
Doesn't exactly seem the most innocent to me, but I don't trust the lynch on him, so going with Town for now
I don't understand. "he's scummy, but the votes point at him being town" => is that what you're saying ?
On May 28 2018 01:03 byj wrote:Rels: Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:56 Rels wrote:On May 27 2018 07:55 GlowingBear wrote:On May 27 2018 07:55 Rels wrote:On May 27 2018 07:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Shenannies on fuba I could do that NOW if we have a third, why not. Would prefer DF though Makes me think that he might be in cahoots with fuba
So my alignment is entirely depending on fuba's ?
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On May 28 2018 02:23 Grackaroni wrote:I dislike that Rels refers to the Jealous lynch as just a coin flip when his assumption was that the scum team would be a team of lurkers. Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote:
Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:54 Rels wrote:
I don't think GB is scum. I hate this EOD though. Team is probably something like DF / dyl / fuba, and just letting the lynch happen
even if Jealous was AFK, I would have expected his partners to distract the lynch if he was scum. The push against Jealous was a policy wagon, it didn't seem strong. That EOD with small wagons and low activity was very weird. You don't see what I'm talking about ?
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On May 28 2018 02:28 Grackaroni wrote:I think he meant you
yeah sorry p:
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On May 28 2018 06:34 byj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Didnt like byj disppearing after rels had a question to him. All he "questioned" was how much I read the rules 
Still waiting for an answer on the follow-up:
On May 27 2018 04:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 03:55 byj wrote:On May 27 2018 03:33 Rels wrote:
byj did you read the OP before starting to play ? Yes. What do you mean? Why did you ask these questions in your entry post if you read the OP ? The answers are in it. And the OP also specifies that we can't no-lynch. Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 22:58 byj wrote:
Hiya! So am I right to assume we all have no night actions and have to find Mafia through talking/ voting patterns? I voted No Lynch in case I forget, but I don't trust any of you enough to follow on a lynch~
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On May 28 2018 07:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi's alignment is key to understand this votecount. Everyone needs to take a stance on whether he is mafia or town to proceed with the game. If Koshi is mafia, Rels might be mafia. If Koshi is town, then his wagon contains at least one mafia.
this. Minus the "Rels might be mafia" part p:
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On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
First, I'm rarely confident D1 (and when I am I'm wrong p: ). I hate playing it.
Second, I was ready to switch on Koshi if it came down to it. And I almost had my lynch, if HF didn't play weird mindgames.
On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind.
I disagree, unless you think the team is exactly DF / HF. He had the perfect excuse to lynch DF over Jealous. Mechanically speaking what he did made no sense if he's scum.
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On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.<
Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now.
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On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light.
That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply.
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On May 28 2018 19:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 07:17 Rels wrote:
Jealous is a coinflip. I would vote Koshi over him. But I would really prefer to just lynch DF? I don't understand why nobody is voting him except me when everybody agreed he is scummy Rels why did you stay on DF?
Cause he was the only one I thought had a good chance to flip scum. I would have switched to you before deadline though if I had to choose between you and Jealous.
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On May 28 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote:
Yeah.. what can I say. I am undecided on df atm.
Why isn't he almost conf town from your POV ... ? He could have lynched you but didn't.
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On May 28 2018 19:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 22:11 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2018 20:21 Rels wrote:On May 25 2018 20:16 fuba wrote:On May 25 2018 20:06 Rels wrote:On May 25 2018 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:Less euphoric now, reading more carefully. + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2018 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 11:40 LightningStrike wrote:On May 25 2018 11:39 GlowingBear wrote:
But LS, you said our fight looked forced.
How did your read from "forced" to "natural" happened? It looked forced at first but his read from scumreading you to townreading you was natural though given the posts after that. I'm okay with you being town. I'm no longer okay with you being town. First I thought "LS has no reason to fake feeling our 'fight' is a bit forced and then flipping his position an calling both of us town", but then I thought "why is he calling me town for a post right after rayn said I was town for the same post?", felt like parroting. I don't know, I have to give this more thought. LS, you've played with me as scum, didn't you? People never get me as scum day'1 because I am always a heavy poster. I don't know why you think I would be lazy as mafia. Plus "a fuzzy memory" doesn't look like a strong ground to call someone town. @Rayn: Why am I town for that post? I called it a "shitpost" but you said you really mean it word by word. Is that true? On May 25 2018 11:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no opinion on this fight whatsoever. We can start voting you then, because it's impossible to not have even a weak opinion on my interaction with rayn. ##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni Why are you talking about LS being scum in 99% of your post, then voting another dude ? What are your thoughts on his LS reasoning? not bad, it's true that LS changed his read after rayn did it, then justified it with "fuzzy meta". ##Vote RelsRels openings are legendary bad but this cant go unpunished. GB or Rels. Can you explain again what happened here with LS and why you think that makes him mafia?
I thought LS was scummy at that point 'cause he claimed to have closely followed a particular portion of the thread (the GB vs rayn fight, I think max 20 posts), but missed two things in it, that he should have picked up 'cause it was related to things he had commented before.
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On May 29 2018 01:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I think it was a huge mistake for scum to even let that lynch happen with 3 votes only. They could of saved their scummate easily either on you or df Koshi.
well why do you think scum made a mistake then ? Couldn't they have been AFK instead ?
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On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:24 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home and saw rayn died. PM'd the mods to post the day post when I noticed they were late on mobile (hate posting on mobile) >.< I probably wont lynch GB today just iwsh HF was here to talk to me to see where he's at with Koshi after Koshi posted some more in the night phase >.< Why do you feel the need to talk about you PMing the mods ? That's twice now. I actually did pm them because they didn't post the day post until after I pm'd -.- Out of all the things in that post you worried more about that part???????
I just find it weird that's all. I don't know if it's AI.
On May 29 2018 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 03:30 Rels wrote:On May 28 2018 09:07 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 09:02 GlowingBear wrote:On May 28 2018 08:58 LightningStrike wrote:On May 28 2018 08:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Part 1
If I die tonight (something I don't believe in), you guys just have to figure out Koshi's alignment and stick to analyze how the voting pattern happened minutes prior to EoD.
Rels is suspicious for not wanting to vote Jealous but being okay with shennanies in any other player. I know people will say that the same can be said about me. It's partially right. But I was very confuse of who I thought we should lynch at EoD. Rels have being playing pretty straightforward, he doesn't seem insecure. He wanted to lynch darthfoley, yes, but at that time it wasn't unclear what his opinon on the main wagons was. If you're so right someone might be mafia and believes main wagons are going to flip town (or are a coin flip), I believe he should've been more incisive in convincing people to change to his target. Again, this is even stronger evidence if Koshi turns out to be mafia.
LS is playing a very confuse game and I'm never sure of what he believes. But his vote on Koshi was really bad. When I questioned it, he gave a very bad reason to vote Koshi. If he was sheeping someone, he should've just said it. Instead he came with a bad argument, following thread sentiment, voting the counter-wagon. If you believe Koshi might be town (like me), then this even stronger evidence. I'm lynching LS tomorrow like the hell out of me.
I don't know what to make of Holyflare and Rayn. I have arguments for both alignments regarding then. For know, I believe they could be town, and I'll be sticking to it. If LS flips mafia I'd be very suspicious of HF. Also, his hammer on Jealous is suspicious. Because he never wanted to vote Jealous in the first place and he didn't really hammer Jealous. He was already set to be the lynch when I unvoted him, and I knew it when I unvoted. HF Making it sound he is town for hammering Jealous is actually really bad for Holyflare, not the opposite. You should have this in mind. I will be honest I always been a bit of a confused game type of person even from the start of my mafia career which I think you forgot. I actually did believe my reasons for voting Koshi and Koshi himself addmited in this post about why he didn't come back to the thread until the night phase: On May 27 2018 18:41 Koshi wrote:On May 27 2018 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:On May 27 2018 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, Koshi didn't even continue playing He said he would play if he thinks rels starts playing like town which means he didn't. True Story. I was at the Brussel Jazz Marathon and couldnt be bebothered. BUT Rels is still mafia so I didnt break my promise. There was true validity to my reasoning. Although night kill says Koshi might be town now but I know my alignment as town and no I not the doctor. LS, I'll admit the confusing part. But that is never a reason to scumread someone. Why Koshi not playing indicates he is mafia? Where is the scum motivation behind it? Why can't town!Koshi do that? I thought town Koshi at the time would actually push for his target like he did the last game I did with him here: https://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/mafia/529240-a-simple-game-of-mafia?user=KoshiBut I don't think he's a big enough idiot to kill rayn over HF i nthis scenerio with rayn pushign for his lynch as it would put himself to much in the spot light. That makes no sense. You townreading Koshi for that kill is the proof that it doesn't work that way. NK analysis CAN be useful sometimes, but not when applied this simply. Not just the night kill but some of his posts in the night phase made me doubt my scumread on him and the night kill as well. Just my interpenetration of it.
In the bolded, and several other posts, you only talk about the NK. What other posts changed your mind ?
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'cause I don't agree. Koshi's posts didn't convince me. When he's town he gets very excited about something and it shows. The only time it happened this game was in his first spree of posts D1. Koshi not knowing what to do about DF when DF had the opportunity to hammer him is also weird.
What I'm saying is: KILL KOSHI. If he's town it should become obvious.
##Vote Koshi
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