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On April 10 2018 01:34 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:23 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 09 2018 22:17 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 22:05 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:58 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad. I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail? His evasion of his weird-arse read on me. He called my reasons for scum!rayn "false". He had also accused me of making facts up to scum-read him. WHY DOES HE THINK I'M TOWN? The impression I get is this: He thinks you’re wrong, but that it doesn’t make you scum. However the language both of you are using has looked like its getting more heated. In particular right now you seem really frustrated and angry Calix I’ll take another look at Vivaxs filter but he seems towny to me. In the mean time, what do you think of Holyflare right now Calix? I'm not feeling anything in particular. I think people misread the language I use as being 'angry' when it's just how I talk. If I was actually angry then it would be obvious. I agree with his Vivax posts. However I don't really trust him. He accused rayn after I did. Now he accuses Vivax alongside me. Looks like a pattern. Nothing substantial to back it up, just wary. I would probably not want to lynch him today though. Vivax looks well bad even without HF's points. How does vivax look bad if you assume HF never posted about him? Isn't this just asking why I think Vivax is mafia? My current opinion is that his posts are bland and uninteresting. He hasn't said anything engaging. He has an entire scum-team theory yet I do not give a damn about ANY of his scum-reads. Instead of pushing his reads, he takes on this defeatist attitude about convincing others to vote for his reads. He called me town despite saying I was pushing rayn for false reasons (which is not a town tell ever) and never explained that despite me asking him about 39580670 times. His reaction to being called out about the "HF pushing me because a mafia's on the line" quote looks like flailing scum to me. I also don't get why he's getting emotional. Which is not necessarily scummy by itself but it's not helping me think he's town. So posts have to be interesting to be town? Sure.... Also you don't care about his reads cause you think he's mafia, it's terrible bias Picking the most 'eccentric' read and acting like that negates all my other points is bad. Since you think he's town, feel free to try and change my mind. Why do you say I'm biased? Reads like you think I am town while you call me scum.
The rest is meh, 'flailing scum is wrong", him calling you town is par for the course for vivax if it's true, emotional isn't even a point.. The bias is that you think he's mafia therefore his reads are terrible not his reads are terrible therefore he's mafia.
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On April 10 2018 01:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:32 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Role info in OP updated. Duplicate roles are possible Lies I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast. Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim. On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker. I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity. There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to. So you went through all that to make a post on how she is probably town when literally everyone else has already determined that. Mafia By NO means did I say she is probably Town. In fact, I specifically said she's more likely to be Mafia now than before the roleclaim. But I think we should give her the opportunity to try and pass a gun anyway. HF is obviously not convinced that she is "probably town" either. And neither of us are in the two VOTES against her.
Probably gunsmith == probably town. You said that she's more likely to be mafia but your tone suggests otherwise.
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On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.
Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch
Mmm dammy town
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Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position.
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On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third.
Why damdred?
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On April 10 2018 01:43 Damdred wrote:
I voted calix for now, I am behind and will try to run to the bathroom near eod to check things. Emergency ends today at 5 so will be normal posting from then on.
Dammy confirmed town
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On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts.
Why don't you go and look?!?
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On April 10 2018 01:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:38 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:32 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Role info in OP updated. Duplicate roles are possible Lies I assume you've found your Day 1 lynch then: Fecalfeast. Alright, so duplicate roles are possible. If a Gunsmith happens along who hadn't seen Eversince's claim yet (lets say Damdred, for example) then there would be very minimal value in performing the counterclaim. On the upside, no such thing as a mafia Gunsmith. If Eversince is able to pass a gun to who we tell her to pass it to, she's verified Town. There also cannot be a mafia Jailer to stop her from passing a gun, so she'll only be stopped by a mafia roleblocker. I randomly feel like there's a decent chance of there being a mafia roleblocker in the game, so even if her claim is real instead of fake, I don't necessarily expect a gun to get passed on Night 1. But even though she's a better lynch now than before the claim, I'm inclined to at least give her the opportunity. There are still 2 votes on her, but unless someone disagrees with the above, I think those votes should move off, instead of being added to. So you went through all that to make a post on how she is probably town when literally everyone else has already determined that. Mafia By NO means did I say she is probably Town. In fact, I specifically said she's more likely to be Mafia now than before the roleclaim. But I think we should give her the opportunity to try and pass a gun anyway. HF is obviously not convinced that she is "probably town" either. And neither of us are in the two VOTES against her. Probably gunsmith == probably town. Well I guess that explains why I said neither of those things, then.
NVM ignore that, why does mafia claim gunsmith
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On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia.
It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic
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On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:
Why exactly do you think Damdred is super-town, Oats? Do share.
He thinks you are mafia and vivax is town lol, it's super clear
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On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim.
Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD.
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On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D
There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier?
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On April 10 2018 01:53 Vivax wrote:
Voted Skynx.
Still waiting on N00bking to post anything that looks like he's trying to solve the game. Cause talking about what could happen at night is something he can talk about at night and just looks like he's posting filler.
Vote cliax what the heck
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Came into thread, focused on one thing which was ever giving him a townread the. then just commented that he thought you and vivax was tvt and peaced out
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On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait a minute calix, who do you think is mafia outside of vivax? ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by. Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation.
So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons
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On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with.
So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened?
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On April 10 2018 02:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Calix wrote:
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ExO_. I haven't filtered him since he's not up for lynch at all but he was making some weird, timid posts when I was with him in the thread. The one where he tells Vivax and I to call it off when Vivax and I were not even fighting was out of place. And he hadn't called me town before that post. Otherwise he has "safe" reads and "okay" posts. Fits the profile of mafia skirting by.
Damdred possible third. Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. "duh" is an appropriate addition to the answers to WAY too many of oatsmaster's questions. Is that normal for him?
Except thats not actually how the game works?
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On April 10 2018 02:11 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 02:00 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 n00bKing wrote:On April 10 2018 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually noobking, explain why mafia claims Gunsmith in her position. 1) Since this ruleset allows for duplicate roles, a counterclaim from a real Gunsmith will not be as damaging as it would be otherwise. Good reason to fake claim a power role instead of just trying to pass for Vanilla. 2) Since this particular ruleset doesn't keep the roleblocker from choosing the same target on successive nights, Mafia Eversince has a never-ending excuse for failing to pass the gun and verifying her roleclaim. 3) Since this particular ruleset doesn't give notifications to people when they are roleblocked, the mafia roleblocker can continue to roleblock town players while Mafia Eversince pretends to be roleblocked, and no Town players can say "but I was roleblocked too..." Not all rulesets will follow ANY of those three parameters, much less all three of them. But THIS game presents something of a perfect storm, for a fake Gunsmith claim. Why not claim something that can't be verified? Why even claim in that situation?!? It's so far from EoD. Claim something that can't be verified, and people might say "meh, that can't be verified" and then be more inclined to lynch through the claim. With THIS claim, they might reflexively think it CAN be verified, without realizing until later that it actually cannot. And claim so far from EoD if she legitimately wanted to leave the thread and go to bed. She told Vivax she would be around for another 45 minutes to an hour. An hour later she finds herself in the vote lead, at the time she's supposed to be leaving. So she makes the claim. As the excuse for the early claim, she says her "time is up." But she then spends the entire next HOUR defending herself, when she sees that people are NOT reacting positively to the claim. After that hour, she OFFICIALLY declares that she is now going to bed. (Like, for realsies, this time, peoples.) But then spends ANOTHER half hour defending herself from new posts instead. Spending 90 minutes defending herself, when the entire excuse behind the early claim was that she was "out of time" and had to leave. If she were actually Town, then this post: On April 09 2018 23:00 Eversince wrote:
Fucking lynch me then. At least then I can laugh after the fact. could very well have been the last thing she said, instead of us seeing all the things that followed it. But if she were scum and felt increased responsibility/obligation to her teammates (since there are fewer of them, if she's scum) then that might explain the 90 minutes she kept getting dragged into answering new posts. I also can't say I care for the fact that she freely discussed reads on everyone from Vivax to DAMDRED (who had been long-term AFK), but ONE topic she refused to discuss (even when asked directly) was WHY she put her VOTE where it is. That's really bad. But in the face of ALL that, I would give her the opportunity to try and pass the gun on Night 1. If she's Town, maybe we'll get lucky and the scum will not have a roleblocker to stop her with. So if she was the town gunsmith instead, how would she behave differently from what really happened? If she were Town, it makes sense to me that she would have gone ahead and left the thread much nearer to the time she actually said she was going to. Instead of repeatedly saying things like "believe me or don't, I don't care" and "fucking lynch me then" but continuing to defend and defend and defend. If she were Town, she should have answered a simple and direct question about why her vote went where it went, instead of talking about everyone BUT her lynch target. These things were both already mentioned in the post you quoted when you asked. y u no read?
Why would she not want to defend herself from being lynched as town when in actuality, anyone cares way more about being mislynched as a blue than lynched as scum
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I have no idea what you are talking about in reference to her not explaining her lynch target
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On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 10 2018 01:44 Calix wrote:On April 10 2018 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why damdred? Don't have anyone else I think is mafia at the moment. I don't think much of his actual posts. Why don't you go and look?!? Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia. It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier? Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation. So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town. Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc. @n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol.
Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck.
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