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On April 09 2018 04:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:52 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:29 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 04:02 Calix wrote:On April 09 2018 03:53 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 03:11 Calix wrote:
Also I'm going to ask why you're still scum-reading me. I've posted quite a lot since you first voted for me. A lot of that posting had actual content in it. And you have not said whether any of that either gave you pause or made you feel more strongly about me. You've just asked some bland questions (what are your reads? Who would you lynch?) which don't specifically relate to anything I have said before you turned up. So I am curious. I skimmed people's posts a bit. I'll read it properly later. I'm asking you these things because... well... that's how I usually play the game. I don't like your read on Skynx, it was way too fast to call him town. I don't understand why you may be calling rayn scum. Vivax being scum for reevaluating stuff that fast doesn't sound scum to me, I actually believe scum would refrain from exposing himself like that. I mean, he gives a scum read, then Damdred says "I don't think you are right because of these reasons", he agrees with those reasons and townreads me. I think it's a reasonable stream of thoughts. That being said, considering your contributions, I'd expect a better scumread. It's easy for mafia to call town people town. Comitting to reasonable calling someone scum, in the other hand, is not safe for mafia. When you posted your scumreads, you said you need to reevaluate. When you posted your townreads, you didn't say anything. It's just... easy to say you're going to lynch someone you find scum by EoD. That's obvious. That's why, although you've contributed, I can't take my weak scumread from you. I admit it's weak, but it is a scumread. Wait, so it's 'way too fast' to call Skynx town but 'you expect a better scum-read' at this point after I just pursued two scum-reads? Really? Is it also not 'way too fast' to call you town as well? I don't know why you think my Skynx town-read is 'too hard and fast' when I've been town-reading you for longer. I posted my scum-reads, then engaged with my scum-reads, then was presented with new information which = reevaluation process. Saying I need to reevaluate after I've had a discussion with my top scum-read is just common sense. Ask better questions then. Also how the fuck am I still a 'weak scumread' for you? That's lame. And hypocritical, if I may say so myself  For the fact that you're lecturing me about shit scum-reads, your scum-read on me is shoddy. Uhm, let me express myself better. I'm not arguing about your townread on me. I think it's okay. Skynx, in the other hand, is a townread for a couple of posts that in my POV doesn't make him a strong townread. What he did can be faked (calling someone out then reevaluating right after it, then peacing out). I'd never give a townread on him because of that. I'm okay with your reevaluation process, but until you reevaluate, shouldn't you be lynching who you think it's mafia for now? I'm not lecturing you on anything. I'm as a good player as you are. You have to reevaluate rayn and vivax. I have to reevaluate you. But if you asked me: "who would you be lynching right now?", I would say "Calix", regardless of the need of reevaluation. You have the same weak scumreads as me, but you're not comitting in being lynching anyone. That's... evasive. Non-committal. That is what sounds scummy to me. I hate to break the news to you, but I'm not you. Therefore saying that I'm scummy for reading people for different reasons to you is an invalid argument. I am happy with my town-read on Skynx. Deal with it. Yes, I haven't unvoted and have no plans to. Because unvoting without having someone else to vote for is dumb. But right now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on someone that I am less sure of. So because I didn't respond to a generic question in the way you would, I'm scummy? Again, I'm not you, and accusing me on the basis that I didn't say "Vivax/ rayn" for "best lynches" is pedantic. And non-committal? I've taken more stances than most of the game has. I'm not going to feign confidence in my scum-reads if I am not actually as confident as I used to be. Dude lol calm down. It is a scum-trait to easily call people town and not really comitting to a lynch in the early game. It's not just my opinion. Anyone who has played a lot as mafia knows that calling town people town is a safe play while looking contributive. It's weak, but it is what it is. It's impossible to have a strong scumread when we have less than 20 pages in 24 hours. I'm calm. I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm not. Must have the verbal equivalent of Resting Bitch Face  And yes, this game is ridiculously slow. Can't wait for the inevitable CFDs. Aforementioned slowness is why I am considering lynching some AFK dude even if they're not my strongest scum-read. Lynching a top-poster on D1 is usually a bad idea. And rayn's filter is bigger than mine is. Since you are so concerned about lynch suspects, who among the 'low posters' would you want to lynch aside from Skynx?
3. Oatsmaster
6. Eversince
7. currentlyhomeless
12. Vivax
Good question. Other than Skynx and even you, I'd lynch Oats, Vivax, Eversince, currentlyhomeless.
Oats because OMGUS
Vivax because if I remember correctly, Vivax is a intense poster as town, and a lacking one as scum.
Eversince because well, I just remember talking to her and nothing else.
currentlyhomeless because my god just play the game instead of shitting on everything people post.
That's it for now.
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On April 09 2018 05:15 Vivax wrote:
I propose to get a wagon on n00bking going to motivate him
OHAI I was just talking about lynching you 
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On April 09 2018 05:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 04:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Calix, did you see the reason why Skynx is scumreading me? He said it didn't make sense that I was euphoric to play but peaced out to go to the theatre (as we all know, starts at specific times), then he said I couldn't possibly be back 5:40 hours later. LOL. Yes, I did. I think I asked him about how that showed scum motivation and then he said there wasn't town motivation for lying and then I said I had some ideas but I'd need to see what you said first. It's not a thought process I agree with but I can see town!Skynx thinking "liars = scum".
I understand the reason behing lynch all liars, but the thing is: why I was lying? There are no grounds for what he is saying. It feels forced.
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On April 09 2018 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
The fuck game are you reading gb? Calix is non committal and vivax isn't posting? That's the opposite to what is actually happening.
Also why has nobody answered my question about rayn?
What question?
Uhm, I remember Vivax being a much more active poster than he has been here.
And I was saying Calix isn't committal to his scumreads because he says "oh I have these scumread on these guys but I need to reevaluate, so not lynching yet". That's what I mean by being non-committal.
BUT he is voting rayn. I guess I'm wrong.
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Like, HF, Vivax isn't really trying. He came into the thread and said "fuck all this conversation, let's vote noobking instead". That's all.
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On April 09 2018 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
Calix posted accusations and followed up with a case and votes. The accusations get a rebuttal which ensures hesitancy on Calix's part and then what is she supposed to do then?
Are you not reading the thread GB?
Calix is a woman?
I am. I just expected that she wouldn't drop the scumread before reevaluating. But I might be tunneled. I'll step back. Realizing that she voted rayn debunks my argument.
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On April 09 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also I do not believe rayn's point if it's what calix just quoted. In every single game I ever have seen him play in he says at least once in it "if you think I'm making it up then I'm confirmed mafia. Vote me!" but when Calix says he's making it up and he acknowledged she could think that's true (!) then it becomes a huge wall of defence from rayn? He even acknowledged it was "bad wording"???
If he says that every game, as both alignments, it doesn't make it alignment indicative. I can see him re-reading his post and realizing it was bad wording. Why not?
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Ok you voted Calix. Care to explain? You said my reasoning was terrible the first time you came in thread.
And what do you think of Vivax?
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On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax is forgettable, i had to look at his filter to see what was up and yeah theres nothing much, not gonna lynch today though Why not oats.. why not then.. Looks like scum to me.
My God, kush, is there a single smurf you didn't blow mid-game?
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On April 09 2018 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax is forgettable, i had to look at his filter to see what was up and yeah theres nothing much, not gonna lynch today though
To be fair, I think he may be a good lynch. I have no reason to actually townread him and Calix at least is active.
Answer me this, please: isn't it possible that Calix, as town, is simply reevaluating her read on rayn ?
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On April 09 2018 07:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 06:56 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also I do not believe rayn's point if it's what calix just quoted. In every single game I ever have seen him play in he says at least once in it "if you think I'm making it up then I'm confirmed mafia. Vote me!" but when Calix says he's making it up and he acknowledged she could think that's true (!) then it becomes a huge wall of defence from rayn? He even acknowledged it was "bad wording"??? If he says that every game, as both alignments, it doesn't make it alignment indicative. I can see him re-reading his post and realizing it was bad wording. Why not? Yes, that is my point. He says it in every game because it's not bad logic. He did not apply it in this game to Calix though. He calls her mafia despite admitting she could believe those points.
Wait, let me understand what you're saying here:
1) Are you saying that rayn is mafia because he didn't say "OMG VOTE ME THEN"
or
2) Are you saying rayn is mafia because he said he could believe Calix argument is genuine while still calling her mafia, which makes no sense because if he thinks she is mafia her argument can't be genuine?
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On April 09 2018 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:On April 09 2018 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax is forgettable, i had to look at his filter to see what was up and yeah theres nothing much, not gonna lynch today though To be fair, I think he may be a good lynch. I have no reason to actually townread him and Calix at least is active. Answer me this, please: isn't it possible that Calix, as town, is simply reevaluating her read on rayn ? not townread =/= scum. that reevaluation was drawn way out, i could see it coming from a mile away which means it was constructed and fake.
So, if Calix flips red, does that mean Rayn is also mafia?
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Ok, ok
Oats
Can you make a list of your reads atm?
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Like, people, I won't be here at EoD tomorrow. I hope you exchange some ideas now so I can read them by the morning tomorrow and place my vote accordingly.
Where's Damdred btw?
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On April 09 2018 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont understand why skynx case getting no support means anything whatsoever because it was a terrible case.
I don't know why, but this post makes me feel you're town.
I hate you.
Also, insomnia. 
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On April 09 2018 15:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont understand why skynx case getting no support means anything whatsoever because it was a terrible case. I don't know why, but this post makes me feel you're town. I hate you. Also, insomnia.
Actually, skynx case did get some kind of support because Calix just went on rayn, didn't she?
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On April 09 2018 13:27 Eversince wrote:
I'll say now that Calix/Rayn business seems town on town to me. Doesn't make any sense why either Calix would go so rashly against other Rayn (Who is peculiarly tame this game). Both got a huge amount of attention and the time frame that it happened in doesn't make sense for mafia. Sure, late day hard push for an objective would have made sense. But so early in the day? I don't think mafia would have exposed them self in such a noticeable way that early. Also Calix re-eval is something that I do need to think about. Because that was a little weird. But, people can change there minds. I personally think it was genuine. It just happened in such a fast time frame. But ack, I can't give someone a hard time for realizing their mistake and changing their perspective.
GB's alright in my book. He had something that gave me questions when I was skimming. I'll post those when I re-read. Not bad enough for me to move off my town impression of him.
HF is so scarcely relevant right now that it's kinda scary. My experience with him has been:
1) Very strong points against people as either alignment.
2) Crazy active, this friend's filter at 2 pages after a day and a half r.r.....
3) Very inquisitive. He notices things that other people miss. Like a lot. He usually attacks these things and hammers scum for it. The fact that he's not currently doing it actually makes me think he's town. Even mafia HF exploits people trash comments. HF isn't doing that. He doesn't have any presence at all. So I will give him a light townread for right now (I hope you are ok HF!)
Oats is questionable to me r.r Like he pokes holes in lots of things that are easy to poke holes in. Then doesn't elaborate on them at all. But he's 'lukewarm' in the sense that he hasn't really pushed these ideas towards anything. His largest attempt was on Calix and he still didn't even bother trying to start a wagon. Seems unusual from a mafia perspective to complain points idle in thread for no gain. He can be on my fence.
Skynx is alright for now.
CH has literally no post in the thread that I remember atm. Would lynch.
Vivax is different than I remember from the times we last played. I'll give him time though.
Tubesock seems alright.
Exo_ He did make couple of post that I thought might be constructive. So I'll give him points for that. I'll filter him later and see what those were though. I don't remember r.r
I didn't even realize nOObking was in the game before I filtered him. Would lynch.
Damdie seems ok to me.
I think that covers everything. I'm sorry if I missed something! I will go shower, and be back in about 15 minutes!
Why would you give Vivax time if he is playing differently? Have you ever played with him as both alignments?
Why does Damdred seems fine?
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I should re-read Calix but cba =/
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On April 08 2018 21:52 Skynx wrote:Wassup guys? I caught two scum. - GlowingBear
This is different than what Vivax picked up on, look at the timestamps here:
On April 08 2018 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
My god this is a slow start.
It's saturday night, people!
It's not like we're sociable people pursuing sex.
Are we?
On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.
I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.
Buh-bye!
15 mins between "I'm super excited let's play!" and "k i'm going out". And then'
On April 08 2018 12:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.
I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.
Buh-bye!
Sent from my Android. ROFL
5:40 til he comes back. Whichever way you look at it it's not plausible. I can imagine scum motivations of doing this but let's not theorycrraft here. Point is there is just a chain of lies here which you really don't need if you're town.
- raynpelikoneet
On April 08 2018 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is the time difference in #118 and #121? Cant see that on phone.
He (appears as) thinks he possibly caught something here. Then completely abandons it. That just doesn't add up. What town!rayn does here is:
1) Quote the posts to look at timestamp difference.
2) If he really didn't learn that in i dunno how many years in tl mafia, ask someone else again to check it.
3) If what he inquires turns out to be nothing, he'd be like "ok ignore this guys i though i saw something"
I remember that one game (town!rayn) I said something in the thread that didn't really mean what i meant and he just didn't let it go for 2 straight day cycles. I also noticed in classic mafia (mafia!rayn) he was so laid back and non-inquisitive, kinda leaving ties loose as in here.
On April 08 2018 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Homelessperson are you from the same forum noobking is?
Kinda contemplates the above. What is the point of this question? How exactly does an information that homeless is or is not from the same forum as noobking helps him or town playing this game or make a read on him??
I think this is scum rayn just throwing random questions out there that has nothing to do with anything other than to look town and to appear scumhunting i guess..
rayn is already under fire and has much to answer to so I'll vote GB.
Skynx, can you explain your thought process behind the statement bolded in italic?
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