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On April 12 2018 03:09 Calix wrote:Went and gathered most of Vivax's posts on Eversince. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case.
-.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there. On April 11 2018 09:29 Vivax wrote:
DOesn't gun smith make a gun every night that only activates the day after? THe way she worded it actually sounds off On April 11 2018 09:31 Vivax wrote:
No actually nobody would get a gun on the first but the gunsmith can create one and pass that one on the next night. The fishyness is increasing. On April 11 2018 09:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version? On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:39 Eversince wrote:
I mistoke my role pm that's why I didn't think I had one. The fact there was not double kp and Rayn didn't get it cofirms him town for me. It will confirm both of us after one of us flips. It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it. On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:really strange reasoning there ES  On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. On April 11 2018 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding". On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.
Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics. are you scum this game??? ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1 this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun” it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith1500% scum That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action. On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote:
Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia. Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that. On April 11 2018 10:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign. by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game? Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to? Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones. Dont make me laugh No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way. So generally skeptical but eventually concludes Eversince would fuck up as both alignments. Then Vivax pops in to say this: Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3 Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :| I couldn't remember off the top of my head what rayn's 'catch' was so looked for that: + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip
which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died
but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB roflmao this actually makes sense. Eversince elaborate please? On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died. On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun.  I don't think it's as scummy as HF makes it out to be. Vivax said he wasn't going to vote Eversince based on the mistakes she made with the GS role. Then currentlyhomeless and rayn point out that Eversince knew there weren't two flips while also claiming to not know who died. That doesn't have anything to do with 'not reading the role card' correctly. Don't see the incongruency because it's not "the exact same reason" really.
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That's all his posts today. Look at his post accusing me.
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Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.
Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.
Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.
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On April 12 2018 03:34 Skynx wrote:
What is POE? I didn't get to learn it in 2 years
Path of exile.
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On April 12 2018 03:40 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.
Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.
Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es. It is true that Vivax scum-reads rayn yet votes for Eversince based on a reason he attributes to rayn. I don't agree that Vivax called ES mafia for role mechanics. As noted earlier, rayn's point which Vivax refers to relates to an information gap with the day-post. Which is a reason you couldn't have used because the day-post stuff happened later.
The whole point last night was that es didn't know gunsmith has a gun n1.
The whole point today is that es is mafia because (i don't actually know the reason? That she didn't claim she still had a gun and waffled?)
Last night was a better reason and vivax said I was mafia for pushing it. Today is a what reason?
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On April 12 2018 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.
Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.
Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es. Tbh this one you are wrong on. Vivax attacked es only after ch and me said she saw only 1 flip but didnt know gb flipped. That is a different thing you were saying. I am home in an hour. Can you bulletpoint a liat on vivax where you want my opinion on to make it faster?
He's voting her because she didn't claim she had a gun.
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Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.
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On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh?
If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.
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On April 12 2018 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.
Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia
Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point
That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into?
I didn't see you really pushing this point. Your biggest wall of text was talking about her inconsistencies and talking about the gun and then I saw vivax come in and say "You're right rayn, how did I forget that." Think you wrote about 1 line on the GB/night kill part and if Homeless pushed it then Vivax certainly didn't give him any credit for it.
It's a correct point to push and it's why Exo looks really really really bad for not pushing it tbh and she should well be the lynch but I still think Vivax is being opportune.
I realise I'm pretty tunneled at this point though so I'll stop hammering on about it for now.
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On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.
I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.
Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2 "guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell. Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself. I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.
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On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time
She didn't know GB died so she literally didn't read the night one post.
Plz flip mafia more.
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On April 12 2018 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:31 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,. "playing" - Good joke. Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead. So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did? Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred. I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens. No, this is what you literally said. That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both. So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is? Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'. I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads. The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses. Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see. Youre talking about this. You clearly implied i am (and skynx) more scummy than Damdred is because you literally said "That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia" and Damdred is just something else and not a real scumread . When i confront you about it you say actually you are not sure if i am mafia or even if skynx is mafia which doesn't make any sense to me. So like you first concluded gb kill doesn't make any sense UNLESS skynx or rayn or both are mafia, and now you are not really sure fi rayn or even skynx is mafia when nothing on that front hasn't changed (it's impossible to change tbh because regardless of what we have posted after gb was still the night kill and someone shot him -- and you were ONLY talking about that). The last post was sarcastic because i tried many posts and you managed to never answer my question i asked you in the first place and just backpedalled from your earlier conclusion for imo no apparent reason.
Just like you've told me my vivax point is bad, I'm telling you this point on calix is bad. I'm pretty sure her post about the night kills was a hypothetical scum scenario based on the night kill (like when I posted you/calix/vivax in red) because that's what makes the most sense at the time.
If you're saying something different let me know and I'll take a proper look at it though.
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On April 12 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean, hte only other scumreads she gives in that post are Eversince and Exo.
When i confront him about Damdred, who she should imo be scumreading if she is town because Damdred just dropped a seemingly random vote on Calix when imo there was no reason to scumread her, she cannot answer why Damdred could not be mafia and instead says she is not sure if either of me and Skynx are mafia....
Didn't see that post where she actually follows through and calls skynx mafia before. Carry on.
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You know if es flips town we're lynching you next exo?
+ Show Spoiler +and also if she flips mafia
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Also kush/homeless/whoever you are, it looks like I'm not reading to you because I'm not particularly reading. I just skim at work and phone post forever now instead. Not the hf of old.
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He's saying very kush things about me.
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On April 12 2018 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
He's saying very kush things about me. Are you mafia?
No?
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What kind of stupid comment are you expecting?
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I don't care where my scum reads are voting if there is something scummier to vote.
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