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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 13:18 GMT
#1656
ExO, explain your read on df please. I can't find a read on him in your filter anywhere, so if you have made one and I'm just being a tard with ctrl+f, if you could quote it that would be great.

(god, i'm a dip lol >< didn't even see that second spoiler from df in the moment)
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 14:03 GMT
#1685
On March 22 2018 22:51 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 22:18 rsoultin wrote:
ExO, explain your read on df please. I can't find a read on him in your filter anywhere, so if you have made one and I'm just being a tard with ctrl+f, if you could quote it that would be great.

(god, i'm a dip lol >< didn't even see that second spoiler from df in the moment)


Haven’t offered an opinion on DF, havent read him too closely either. However he agreed with my suspicions on you and I soft town read him at that point.

I’m still not convinced you aren’t scum though rsoul. The effort at End of Day makes me think yoy might be - but only because of effort and post count. Content wise I still think you’ve been really just meh on everyone except Slam. And I have to ask myself, were you pushing Rels based on a real read, or because you thought you could get others to go for him


I'm glad that you've realized that I can only literally be two alignments this game. I will admit that my push on Rels was pretty bad, because it was mostly emotional and I probably should have let that go in favor of a lynch I could be more objective about.

I'm going to ignore the part where you said I might be scum only for effort and post count as the obvious writing mistake it was.

So, why was DF more of a slight townread to you than Rels when practically all that Rels was doing was calling me scum/a good lynch?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 17:27 GMT
#1712
You'd think my question wouldn't be particularly hard to answer.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 17:38 GMT
#1717
Nh. Fair enough. Carry on. I probably won't revisit this unless DF ends up being scum, and even then it'll be a do I believe ExO or not sort of deal.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 17:49 GMT
#1719
This is more of a nagging gnatty thing in the back of my mind, but I don't remember an ExO being this chill or apologetic about his scumreads.

-puts that on list of things to check before EoN-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 18:45 GMT
#1727
Not relevant to the game, but taxes when reporting foreign income is a pain in the arse ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 18:52 GMT
#1728
Okay, now I'll be in the thread on the regular. I don't recall seeing any questions toward me, so please ask again if I missed it. Gonna see what I can get out of EoD lol >< wish me luck!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 19:08 GMT
#1729
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament

(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.

I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF

Rest is probably side distractions.

My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:

Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, [b]Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)

Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.

Apologies to leave it like this.


Okay...random Palmar above here after stating dark horse could be HF or Palmar?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 19:37 GMT
#1732
On March 23 2018 04:08 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:
So... im in an odd predicament

(1) I have an important dinner tonight so wont be able to critically read anything
(2) Where I work has been thrown in an unplanned shutdown.. I really dont know if I can commit the time to apply critical thought.

I still think Day1 comes down to resolutions on the big topics:
Slam
Moosy
Ex0/KSC,
Koshi/Disfo/n00bking,
DF

Rest is probably side distractions.

My current (albeit loose) thoughts are:

Above null pile (Ex0_, rsoultin, vivax, rayn, Kelsier, ykl, disinfo, [b]Palmar
Null pile (HF, Conversion, Slam, darthfoley, Rels, tictock, sicklucker, koshi, moosy)
Below null pile (n00bking)

Of the above null, I feel least strong about disinfo as its based on a heuristic that is gut feel only.
Conversion is in null pile as I havent focused on anything he has said.
Slam I would still need to meta-dive.
DF I actually like, but I give pause since so many others have issue. I wouldnt lynch today, and would prefer not to use a bullet on.
tictock is in null pile as I was surprised by the content since waking. Maybe im selfish, but I was quite surprised he didnt ask me anything.
moosy i agree is not on the table Day1. Could be easy mislynch; so focus on other scum team.

Apologies to leave it like this.


Okay...random Palmar above here after stating dark horse could be HF or Palmar?


Yes, this is the main thing that I want answered. The rest of the progression looks fine to me, though I might revisit after reading through HF's complaints properly. I think this was part of it, anyway.

Also, as a sidenote, I too think that slam is pretty highly likely to be town for very dumb reasons, some of which are borderline cheating. Was beginning to lean that way anyway with his return to the thread, before the flip-out.

Other sidenote pre-filter dive, NK is probably not a good vig shot because if he's town and Slam's assessment of the way the game is played where they come from is correct, we can expect him to start talking about relevant things and picking up steam after EoN. If he doesn't, then we lynch him. I think the comparison to last game with the vote on an afker is rather superficial when this game he was in thread to push it, mentioned it prior to, and still consolidated at the end. Last game he briefly mentioned the value of going after afkers, then randomly puts his vote down and peaces out. That's not the same thing.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 19:38 GMT
#1733
Oh, yeah, and FF. That was really weird. Explain FF please, mocsta.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 19:51 GMT
#1735
On March 22 2018 07:28 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote:
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.

wtf is going on.


Relax, buddy. I won't vote you to save myself. I believe you are town and this wagon picking up steam is definitely not pure, so I think town will be able to get mafia out of it.


Am I smoking something or is this literally the first time in the entire game you actually give a read on mocsta?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 19:52 GMT
#1736
On March 23 2018 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
If mocsta can explain me I'll be shocked I can't even explain me


He popped right off NK cause you were on him, and I see nothing in his filter that helps me make sense of that whatsoever. You were a null read.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:06 GMT
#1740
Pfft.

So of the three up for lynch (mocsta, df, conversion)

I've got some issues with all of them.

-mocsta's palmar and ff reads
-df's spoiler claim just kidding thing, and yeah he's not wrong that we're in wildly different places this game. course the latter doesn't necessarily make him scum
-conversion's read on mocsta coming out of nowhere

But I think that night actions might be best utilized on Conversion of the three. It's not just about the NK focus, it's also about the little jabs at people which I thought he was trying to cut out. Feels pretty different from Vendee to me.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:07 GMT
#1742
On March 23 2018 04:58 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 04:51 rsoultin wrote:
On March 22 2018 07:28 Conversion wrote:
On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote:
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.

wtf is going on.


Relax, buddy. I won't vote you to save myself. I believe you are town and this wagon picking up steam is definitely not pure, so I think town will be able to get mafia out of it.


Am I smoking something or is this literally the first time in the entire game you actually give a read on mocsta?

conv does like 1-2 reads per 24hours.


Sure, but when you're determining who you want to lynch at EoD and tell mocsta hey I'm townreading you bro and it's the first time you've mentioned him? Pretty out of left field for me.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:20 GMT
#1749
yeah ksc just looks town to me every time i go through his filter. felt the need to poke through it because i'm really not a fan of conversion right now, and he was the one saying the conversion lynch was bad and that he was even tempted to vote his townread mocsta because of it. but i can't really see ksc as scum and it's pure unflipped association anyway
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:32 GMT
#1756
On March 23 2018 05:18 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 05:06 rsoultin wrote:
Pfft.

So of the three up for lynch (mocsta, df, conversion)

I've got some issues with all of them.

-mocsta's palmar and ff reads
-df's spoiler claim just kidding thing, and yeah he's not wrong that we're in wildly different places this game. course the latter doesn't necessarily make him scum
-conversion's read on mocsta coming out of nowhere

But I think that night actions might be best utilized on Conversion of the three. It's not just about the NK focus, it's also about the little jabs at people which I thought he was trying to cut out. Feels pretty different from Vendee to me.


Honestly feel lost in this game atm and i'm hoping night actions can clear stuff up. I can easily be 100% wrong


you and me both lol ><

Rels was town. Slam is probably town. I don't want to say Palmar is town yet + Show Spoiler +
but I'm beginning to think so
which means I had a pretty shitty D1 \o/ Unsurprisingly, but it's still annoying.

KSC and rayn still top my town list. Need to talk to mocsta. You I felt a bit better about around EoD? But the mafia motivation for being more cooperative in an EoD that could end in your lynch is kind of obvious. I'll be honest, I considered lynching you more because of not wanting to lynch the counterwagons and KSC/rayn both thought you were scum than because I really feel strongly about your alignment in any way. That fake claim thing hidden in spoilers doesn't help lessen my suspicions though @.@

HF...I'm not feeling amazing about HF. I think he could believe his pushes on NK and then on mocsta. So there's that. His occasional sideways barbs at me are getting my hackles up, and it felt like he was more interested in shitfighting with mocsta than where the votes were falling. Which reminds me of a scum game of his where he drowned me out that way when I was trying to lay down how one of the claims absolutely COULD NOT be true lol >< I'm not going to bother filter-diving him tonight, though. I don't think I'll be any more confident, for one. That can happen D2 if I'm around still and I feel the need to.

ExO feels different. Almost like most of his posts are tonally apologizing for scumreading me. Doesn't fit with my memories of him. He kind of had a NK tone that grated.

I may have missed it, but what has you suspicious of ExO, df?

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:34 GMT
#1757
On March 23 2018 05:22 disformation wrote:
like game sense or game flow like I kinda think that one of the wagons was indeed scum and that 2-3 ppl on Rels are scum.
but its actually fairly hard to figure out which one(s).

well that or it is vivi's tinfoil. xD


Yeah, I don't think all the wagons are town. Unless we just all went wild while scum laughed and did whatever the fuck. Not impossible, I suppose. Less likely.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:44 GMT
#1760
On March 23 2018 05:38 Conversion wrote:
honestly I don't see the necessity of sharing my reads with other people in a list? this is such a terrible reason to scum read me. None of you even bothered asking me what my progression on the game was, and I wanted to play without giving a useless list post. That does not make me mafia.


No one that I'm aware of is calling you scum for not making a list. A read coming out of nowhere with nothing behind it is scummy, especially at EoD when they're one of the wagons. That simple.

If you want to not get scumread for that sort of thing, post your reads (in a list or just as you go).
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:46 GMT
#1764
And, just another bit of advice if you're town here (or even if you're mafia, though my last game probably makes me unqualified to give mafia advice) waiting for people to ask you what your reads are is also not going to get you townread. Nor do I see how you think that's helping town.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 22 2018 20:46 GMT
#1765
On March 23 2018 05:45 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 05:44 rsoultin wrote:
On March 23 2018 05:38 Conversion wrote:
honestly I don't see the necessity of sharing my reads with other people in a list? this is such a terrible reason to scum read me. None of you even bothered asking me what my progression on the game was, and I wanted to play without giving a useless list post. That does not make me mafia.


No one that I'm aware of is calling you scum for not making a list. A read coming out of nowhere with nothing behind it is scummy, especially at EoD when they're one of the wagons. That simple.

If you want to not get scumread for that sort of thing, post your reads (in a list or just as you go).


So me townreading possibly the only other legitimate wagon that would save my hide is somehow making me scummy.. okay. You play your game and I'll play mine.


Lol this is bullshit.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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