[M] Classic Mafia - Page 9

On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote:

I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious.

It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway.

That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be.

On March 23 2018 10:19 n00bKing wrote:
Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.

##Vote: Tictock

On March 21 2018 18:44 n00bKing wrote:

I don't have any context on whether it's suspicious for Alakaslam to think that "lazy mafia" are pushing him early game, instead of saving him to be mislynched late game.

I DO find it odd that he so confidently named me town in this game. When people voting against me (like HF and Moosy) say they're doing so on the basis that I'm playing the same as the last game. They're right, I'm playing the same as the last game, because I just played my town game for 95% of the last game. HF doesn't seem to know anything about my Town game, and doesn't care. He's just "blah blah, same as other game, blah."

Yet while I AGREE with the people voting against me that I'm playing the same as the last game, Alakaslam correctly labels me Town in this game, after all his "classic scum m8" crap from the previous game. Now yes, I pushed him off of his scumread on me in the prior game, and even had him voting against MY lynch target, eventually. But even so, the speed and accuracy of his townread on me here is cause for pause.

However, I can't help you lynch him, cuz then he'll OMGUS me, and then once Slam gives the go-ahead, Koshi will lynch me with the heat of a thousand suns. And then I flip town, and people are sad. :D

(In all seriousness, Slam is probably fine as a fallback option, with the likes of Rels. From your recent "remove from the lynch pool" list, the only one I disagree with is Rels. I would add to that "remove from the lynch pool" list by putting Tictock in it. I don't have any interest in lynching him. Oh, and me! I should be removed from it too. hehe. I also am not too excited about lynching Conversion, though he's been almost entirely useless, it seems. I can at least hope that he might be useful later. I can't hold out much hope for that in the case of like...Fecalfeast.)

On March 24 2018 23:56 n00bKing wrote:

I don't know how much legwork it is or isn't. What I know is that Palmar told us he's only reading 20-30% of the game, and that he doesn't "meta" people. Then he went and dug up multiple links to discussions of the Coag "town seal" meta. If Coag is on the scum team with him, and this is the game where the seal is being broken, then the motivation is obvious.

It sounds to me like rsoul and/or rayn are hypothesizing that Palmar could instead have done that just to look like he was doing *something* and it wouldn't hurt his scum play to give town Coag all this help looking townie, because Coag is a well-known player, and the history of the town seal would have come to light if needed anyway.

That all sounds fine too. So again, red Palmar doesn't necessarily mean red Coag. I was only saying that unless or until we see red Palmar, I'm not even going to worry about a red Coag, because of how huge an indicator the town seal appears to be.

On March 25 2018 00:03 n00bKing wrote:


You won't make up for killing a Town player with a botched vig shot by killing another one with a botched Day 2 lynch. Do better.

Help us find a flaw in the arguments against Palmar, if there are any. Help us determine FF's alignment, if there's a way to do that. This Phase isn't do or die, but this Phase matters.

And if you're Town, your vote is in the wrong place.

On March 25 2018 06:27 n00bKing wrote:

Me not wanting to lynch TT on Day 1 doesn't mean I was "clearly fine" with him. It just means I wasn't looking to lynch him. I had already called him out for his terribly-reasoned vote against Exo. But he was playing the game some, and
I felt like I could expect him to keep doing so, at that point. I couldn't have that same kind of expectation for someone like FecalFeast. Or ykl (appeared to be actively hiding from me). Or Slam (appeared to have taken his ball and gone home). Or sicklucker and Rels (neither of whom had made a post yet).

Yeah, that's NOT what I said. I said he was a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. You can do more with your vote than just lynch people, which is (part of) why it's pitiful that so many people here wait forever to cast one (if they do so at all). For most games I play in, voting is NOT required by rule. Yet non-voting players are far more common here, where it's actually a rules violation. lol

I tacked my vote onto him to help make him the player clearly in the most danger, and see how he reacted to that. While I worked through posting some discussion points for the Phase, then some meta analysis, and then fine-tuning my scumread on Palmar. Since "I know how to accomplish more than one thing at a time."

And while you say my post about his D2 entrance didn't come until 8 hours later, so it doesn't feel like an explanation for my comment that he's a good place for a vote....well...it IS an explanation? I can vote for someone first, and then explain it later. For one thing, it gives me an opportunity to award townpoints to anyone who jumps all over the same post for similar reasons. If I had just said "I'm voting against you and here are the reasons why" I'm not going to be able to differentiate between people who see his posts the same way I do, and people just pretending to.

On March 25 2018 06:55 n00bKing wrote:

It wasn't a post that CAN'T come from Town. It's a post that SHOULDN'T come from Town, because there isn't ANY reason for a Town player to make it.

Can I envision Tictock doing something he shouldn't, without any reason for it? Yes, that doesn't feel completely out of his wheelhouse, based on my prior experience with him.

It's a scum indicator, but it's not conclusive evidence, so I put my vote on him for added pressure, to see what he would say and do next, while there was already some traction on him (2 votes there before I added the 3rd, and no one else having more than 1 vote). And I didn't list which posts specifically irked me or why until later, so that I could watch and see which (if any) other players would make similar observations.

On March 25 2018 06:51 n00bKing wrote:

I feel like there was really only one. It more or less amounted to "what did you discern from the night actions?" Unfortunately, we've had very little information about what the night actions actually were, and the analysis is made more difficult by not knowing how many mafia there are. (Again, that sure would be handy to know!)
I haven't had time to complete that analysis, as it takes actual effort. Skimming someone's meta is something I can do while doing something at the same time that isn't game-related. Responding to a bunch of posts in the thread is something that takes almost no time, because I am usually posting from a legit keyboard, and type over 90wpm. I can post comments on other posts almost as quickly as I generate thoughts about them. Analyzing what it means that Vivax and HF appear to have been the night-kill targets is a whole other kind of animal.
That said, from what I did get to of the comments from Vivax and HF on other players, other players' comments on Vivax and HF, and mixing in some inductive reasoning, I think HF and Vivax being the night-kills would help me feel better about Exo, mocsta, and Kelsier being town. And to a lesser extent, also Tictock. (So my vote on him was only about the fact that he's had bad posts throughout every stage of the game. I voted for him despite the night results, and not because of them.)
Meanwhile, HF and Vivax being the night-kills would make me more suspicious of Palmar, and you. And to a lesser extent, also Koshi and FecalFeast.
Not knowing how many mafia there are is a problem again here also, because the fewer of them there are, the more weight you can put on what each one's "desirable kills" would be, based on their play. But I think another factor is that if there is an overbearing personality on the scum team (like a Palmar, for example) then I could see it not mattering what the "desirable kills" would be for potential teammates like ykl or FecalFeast. Palmar might just browbeat them into whatever Night Actions he wanted anyway.
Palmar's meta looks slightly scum-indicative to me. His posts in this game (independent of the nightkills or his meta) already felt slightly scummy to me. The fact that he so powerfully scumreads someone I know to be Town does not help anything. Do I find anything in his filter that makes Vivax and Holyflare undesirable Night-kills for him? I do not. Do I think it would make sense for him to eliminate those targets, as maybe being players who have played with him a lot and could potentially use his meta history against him? Yeah, I could possibly see that. So that's the player I would flip today, were it my choice.

On March 25 2018 07:03 n00bKing wrote:

#1 - Good. The more it looked that way, the better.
#2 - Good. Already explained.
#3 - FALSE. There could be no such thing as a "counterwagon" to me at the time I placed the vote. I had zero votes cast against me, and had no reason to suspect I might BE a wagon on Day 2.

Because I don't suffer from the same "diarrhea of the mouth" problem as so many other players here. I don't make the mistake of throwing around information about which surviving players I have "slightly above null" vs. which ones are "townleans" vs. which ones are hard "townreads." I'm not interested in lynching him on Day 2. 'nuff said.

On March 21 2018 13:30 Alakaslam wrote:
List post more often scum than not though. Careful calling them good m8