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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 22 2018 23:49 GMT
#1985
On March 23 2018 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:46 darthfoley wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:45 Koshi wrote:
Kelsier is also top town. But w.e. df is most likely mafia.


Wrong!
stop actively delurking - i have noticed it a lot this game.

vivax had a reason for it, so didnt bother me. - with you, it is starting to.


I can only hope you feel both hot and bothered
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 22 2018 23:51 GMT
#1986
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk.

I just can't get over how quickly Conversion's wagon fell off. And n00bking was stuck at 4(?) votes forever in a pretty volatile EoD where votes were going all over the place
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 22 2018 23:57 GMT
#1990
On March 23 2018 08:54 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk.


Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment?


Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town

Rels -- flipped town
Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through
darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town
n00bking -- ???
Conversion -- ???

If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 22 2018 23:58 GMT
#1992
On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote:
DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well.


I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 00:01 GMT
#1996
On March 23 2018 08:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:57 darthfoley wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:54 Palmar wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk.


Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment?


Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town

Rels -- flipped town
Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through
darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town
n00bking -- ???
Conversion -- ???

If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off.

lol... what a shitty reasoning. As if there HAD to be mafia in those wagons. Maybe there was maybe not. Who gives a fuck. Starting your entire line of thought with that is laughably bad play.


Honestly I don't give a fuck what you or anyone else considers bad play. I'm gonna play the way I want and you all can do whatever you want.

No shit "maybe there was maybe there wasn't"

and you're either town or mafia. Thanks for such an enlightening point. What do you mean "who gives a fuck?" Obviously I do
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 00:02 GMT
#1997
On March 23 2018 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:58 darthfoley wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:57 Koshi wrote:
DF why is rayn not mafia? You not talking about him at all when the only interesting thing during the night was calling you mafia. If you are town. rayn did nothing. And his EoD was non existing as well.


I never said he wasn't mafia. Let me look through his eod

Exactly. You are not solving this game friend. One of the big players is playing underwhelming and calling you mafia and you dont bring his name up talking to us...

His name should pop up way more in your posts. But it isnt. I wonder why.


Have you actually read my filter? I've consistently scum read rayn since beginning of game.

I've literally called his play underwhelming and boring as fuck multiple times. Have you read anything?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 00:04 GMT
#1999
I've also pointed out multiple times how factually inaccurate and misleading (and weak) his case was on me.

Like I really don't understand what the fuck you're talking about

He votes Rels "because he looks terrible." Rayn usually posts a boring 4 page essay on people he votes for, so that's unusual
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 00:06 GMT
#2001
I apologize for not mentioning rayn enough in my filter.

A quick control + F of my filter shows I only mentioned his name or interacted with him 58 times. And I only called him scummy like 5 times. Truly terrible form by me and I will commit time and energy to remedying this truly unfortunate circumstance
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 00:09 GMT
#2003
Maybe HF just dropped the knowledge bomb about Ticktock before he perished. That would be cool
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 02:02 GMT
#2014
On March 23 2018 10:09 Mocsta wrote:
btw. darthfoley is throwing out lots of insinuations and letting others fill the gap.

i dont like & am now willing to lynch.
p100 is really terrible.


I've played like 6 games in a row and i'm burned out. I don't have the drive to filter dive hardcore so i'm playing lazy. I can see why people don't like it but i'm probably not gonna get too inspired.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:08 GMT
#2076
On March 23 2018 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh i forgot. I will keep a list of this. Idk what other people read as big names but here's the list still:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 06:24 darthfoley wrote:
I don't think he's been aggressive enough with the other big names.

Holyflare
Vivax - although i have absolutely no idea why Vivax was shot here since this game he was never going to convince anyone of anything, at least alive. Probably medic dodge.
Mocsta - i for once agree with Koshi here 100%
Koshi - townread
Palmar - townread
rsoultin - townread

rels - i am pretty sure df can't claim i wasn't being aggressive with Rels since i voted for him, twice.
We will see if i would actually need to be aggressive with big names. So far looking pretty good for df, don't you think?



Being aggressive doesn't mean scum reading them. I have just sense a lack of aggression generally. Usually when you're town you want to be right and you want everyone to admit that you are right. You like being the center of discussion and do not enjoy being cast aside.

However my feeling this game is that your primary concern is convincing me that IM mafia, not convincing other people. Yes, you've obviously interacted with people, but I don't think you've been particularly concerned as to whether people actually sheep you or not.

You've also spent a lot of time calling me bad which is typical for you, but recently it's almost as if you're calling me bad rather than scum. Proving to everyone how bad I am rather than proving to people how I'm scum.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:10 GMT
#2078
On March 23 2018 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will most likely sheep Holyflare or Palmar here. That honestly probably means i will vote for noobking or tictock actually instead. I am gonna let df and disformation be and say "i told you so" post game.


So you think disformation is either

1) faking vet claim
2) actually mafia veteran (agree with HF that this would be kind of OP unless Town got lots of KP)
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:12 GMT
#2080
On March 23 2018 18:46 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:
On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e.
I think the risk is too high cool people will die.
RIP 3 townies.

I am paying attention. Suprise!
Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx.
Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players.

+ Show Spoiler +
Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)

Townish

3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)

I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)

Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)

mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact)


Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people.

Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi...

Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game.

If they have a Vigi, then Mocsta would have been the 3rd mafia kp (I feel this is unlikely though). If they have a Strongman, and Town vigi was the 3rd kill, there is still not a KP "blocked" anywhere. So why do you assume one was blocked somewhere? (Man, sure would be nice to know how many mafia are in the game, HUH?)


If they strongman shot a VT then it wouldn't actually be KP right? I think that's how it usually works. so there may have been blocked kp from an inaccurate shot
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:14 GMT
#2082
On March 23 2018 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 19:08 darthfoley wrote:
Being aggressive doesn't mean scum reading them. I have just sense a lack of aggression generally. Usually when you're town you want to be right and you want everyone to admit that you are right. You like being the center of discussion and do not enjoy being cast aside.

I see, i should be aggressive towards my townreads. Noted.
The rest is also bs. Apparently you haven't seen me playing lately.


You're usually aggressive with everyone.

lol everything anyone says about you ever is BS just because you disagree.

And then if I die and flip town you will blame me for not being townier even though you refused to see it. Cannot wait
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:17 GMT
#2084
On March 23 2018 18:17 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote:
On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:
On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game
On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care.
On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
*thumbs up*
Good post.
I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore.

This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value.

I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case.

So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing.

I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game.


Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:
To clarify to slower than normal people:

a) rayn's point is very good. This post here:

On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:
On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:
On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead.

Nervous about something?

Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you?

"Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so.
On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead.

"Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?"


Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it.

Then in the post about me:


s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.


He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played:

On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here.


On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.

His filter is basically empty.


Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization.

So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant.

The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly.

This is actually a great case

Oh and this part:

That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.


I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".


We're killing noobking today.

I kinda want to point out that half the game has voted for NK or called him mafia (ff, conversion, rayn, moosey, ticktock, mocsta, disfo, me etc) but there seems to be a lot of resistance to building an actual wagon on him.

Like why am I throwing down the first vote here? HF scumread him since day 1.

I think it would be a grand idea to pile some votes onto noobking.


Yes, this is a good point and I will probably sheep it. It would make his arrogant "I'm the best post" even sweeter
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:22 GMT
#2087
On March 23 2018 13:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
You know I completely forgot noobking was in this game. Not a good sign


This is also a feeling I had after n00bking made that arrogant "I'm the best player to walk the earth" post. That's the last thing I remember him doing, saying, or believing.

I hesistate comparing this game to last game too much because last game was themed and very hard for mafia. But n00bjing had a strong D1 last game and a semi strong D1 this game (at least in terms of activity). I also agreed with HF/Mocsta's assessment of him early.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:26 GMT
#2089
On March 23 2018 16:55 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah I don't disagree on nk, mocsta. I expected some night action analysis given his perception of how the game should be played and there wasn't any that i noticed?

As for conversion...he feels different than the game I was scum in. Like wasn't he trying to be a new and better conversion? Don't see that here at all.


This is something I agree with. In that game he felt like he was being bold for reasons. He was saying "fuck you, this is what I think" and explaining stuff. This game feels more like "fuck you, just because."
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:26 GMT
#2091
On March 23 2018 19:22 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><

I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them.


Can you TL;dr them
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:30 GMT
#2093
On March 23 2018 14:28 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:
@darth second question, regarding the point I made earlier on that ticktock just reposted. Why did you leave exo off town list ?
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:
I left ExO the town list because my opinion of him decreased
This marks one of the first times DF breaks from roleplay and its important.

Like, what DF writes is technically consistent with the below: however, in context of Kelsier point, its total bullshit.

+ Show Spoiler [Kelsier good point] +
On March 20 2018 19:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 19:36 Palmar wrote:
df's roleplaying is some of the worst I've ever seen.


yeh it's not good. I don't know what it means alignment wise. I feel that if you're town you just have fun as town whereas if you rolled mafia the second time in 3 games and you wanted to make things fun fun yourself/hide you would make a persona. I can't say it makes him town or mafia but if I had to pick I would say it is more scum sided.

In terms of actual bad stuff. He liked a post that exo had made which wasn't that good.

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 08:27 darthfoley wrote:
On March 20 2018 08:09 ExO_ wrote:
Moosy I’m going to try my best to assess you fairly,
but damn you’re like a hyperactive kid in a Candy store.

But you come into the thread saying you need someone to explain the setup because you can’t be arsed to read it....after you /out earlier because of number of players.

Scum leaning on you for this reason.


Looks like this chap 'ere as a 'ead on his shoulders


I can understand exo's defence of this post but I don't like the post in general.

he also leaves exo off his list of town afterwards

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2018 12:45 darthfoley wrote:
Chester Campbell believes he dun found some good folk to confide in as he rids the streets of petty 'n big boss crime.

The likes of Vivax, Alakaslam Mocsta and Conversion seem like good blokes, eager to help the coppers

Chester is keeping a wary eye out for any bad hombres


gives the impression that he doesn't really care who his town circle is and just wants to throw some names out.
I'd lynch him and not just to stop the terrible RP.

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2018 03:26 darthfoley wrote:
I think HF and Vivax are probably town. ExO is perfect lynch bait as always. I've yet to decide what I think of him, but I like that he isn't a fan of Kelscier, so on the townier side of null ATM.

I'm voting Kelscier partially because he's been the least enjoyable player so far, and partially because I think ExO made a fairly decent point that I agree with about Kelscier's vote on disformation.

....


I'm not sure why you're seeing but if you've played within ExO before you'd understand that he is truly lynchbait territory no matter what every game.

I had a few feelings that he was Town lynchbait, given we agreed on a couple reads. But I didn't have the confidence in townreading him that I had for HF/Vivax... so I didn't include him.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 23 2018 10:31 GMT
#2095
On March 23 2018 19:26 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><

I can tell you about this mafia god town play. Gets poceted super hard by 2/3 mafia D1. Tunnels one of the only two people who try to lynch mafia in the game. Gets lynched D1.

Hahahaha. As I mentioned before, I have only been lynched D1 ONE time, in all my years of playing these games. ONE.

In that ONE game, I posted exactly TWO names in the voting thread. They were BOTH SCUM. I was mislynched Day 1 (YOUR fault), and you did NOT manage to win without me.


I appreciate the caps lock frequency. It really screams "I'm secure about my ability as a player."
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