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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 12:58 GMT
#1641
Yeah but did you go back and search if he does this bs word reading as town palmar?

Touché.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 13:00 GMT
#1645
But does he do it as town?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 13:07 GMT
#1650
On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote:
are you gonna be difficult about this hf? Do you like my case? You should like my case...


I love your case because it was my case last game and my case this game too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 13:30 GMT
#1662
On March 22 2018 22:18 Conversion wrote:
@HF the only thing that doesn’t make sense from scum!Mocsta os why he would look to change wagons so much when he had a real threat of being lynched. like tbh if he just went for easy wagons I would have gone on him


????? Are you mafia.

Mocsta only changed wagons ONCE when he entered after waking up to YOU and then joined the wagon on rels. What wagon hopping did he do?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 14:01 GMT
#1684
On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:
On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?


I think there's two approaches here I would consider:

Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead.


Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformation
KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley
rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels
ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosy
Alakaslam [1]: rsoultin
Rels [1]: Mocsta
ykl [0]: Alakaslam
Mocsta [0]: MoosyDoosy
Tictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosy
Palmar [0]: Koshi

Not Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam


disformation is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.


On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC




At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party).


So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.

Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing.


There's no such thing as mafia veteran.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 14:18 GMT
#1691
On March 22 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:
On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:
On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:
On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?


I think there's two approaches here I would consider:

Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead.


Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:

Day 1 Vote Count



disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformation
KelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley
rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels
ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosy
Alakaslam [1]: rsoultin
Rels [1]: Mocsta
ykl [0]: Alakaslam
Mocsta [0]: MoosyDoosy
Tictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosy
Palmar [0]: Koshi

Not Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam


disformation is currently the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM.


On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC




At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party).


So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.

Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing.

There's no such thing as mafia veteran.

False.


Point to me a game on to mafia that isn't themed that has a mafia veteran.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 14:19 GMT
#1692
TL mafia*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 15:00 GMT
#1695
Just because it says it why would it be true? What possible world would there ever be a mafia veteran? Gimps town kp and makes it harder. Never seen it in my life.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 15:01 GMT
#1696
So, Conversion, now that your point on mocsta was proven moot why don't you agree with the case on him enough to lynch him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 15:57 GMT
#1704
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 16:03 GMT
#1706
On March 23 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him.


https://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Holyflare&page=6

A bit on the page before if you're bored.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 16:17 GMT
#1707
Hey Noobking, who is mafia and more specifically, why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 20:47 GMT
#1766
What a bull shit read on me rsoul.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 20:51 GMT
#1769
HF...I'm not feeling amazing about HF. I think he could believe his pushes on NK and then on mocsta. So there's that. His occasional sideways barbs at me are getting my hackles up, and it felt like he was more interested in shitfighting with mocsta than where the votes were falling.


This is quite categorically false. I made a case on mocsta, I told you to vote him, I pointed out inconsistencies and repeatedly tried to get him lynched while you waved pretty French meat at people and did... Nothing?

I didn't argue with mocsta either so if you want to put out that read to diminish my reasons to vote mocsta then back it up. Prove I did that instead of casing and giving mafia motivations.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 20:52 GMT
#1773
My read on you is that you're underwhelming and did nothing to give more reasons to lynch rels at deadline. Your read on yourself is that you were emotional and didn't do much at deadline to figure out rels. So either you agree with me on yourself or you're needlessly niggling at me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 20:55 GMT
#1777
On March 23 2018 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
My read on you is that you're underwhelming and did nothing to give more reasons to lynch rels at deadline. Your read on yourself is that you were emotional and didn't do much at deadline to figure out rels. So either you agree with me on yourself or you're needlessly niggling at me


Right. You've just said you're hedging on me so whatever. Don't make up accusations because you can't read me. Just lynch mocsta.

No way anyone other than me is dying tonight anyway.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 21:07 GMT
#1789
Rsoultin, why did you town read mocsta eod?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 21:20 GMT
#1807
On March 23 2018 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 06:09 disformation wrote:
On March 23 2018 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 23 2018 05:31 disformation wrote:
that's actually another point. like tons of ppl scumread nk. why wasn't he the lynch?
I mean I think palmar, hf and rayn have a scumread on him? usually that would mean a lynch mob

Because none of you idiots listened to us. Well not you really because you're mafia but the townspeople.

On March 22 2018 07:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk what to do because df is voting for rels and disformation is voting for df and one of them is mafia.

On March 23 2018 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god i fucked up. Should have lynched df.


so which one is it?

You, but when the votes were on df and everyone for some stupid reason left your wagon that was the best lynch. I don't even remember why i thought only one of you can be mafia but i don't really care about it today, we'll see if i have to tomorrow.

Updated list:
disformation
darthfoley
noobking
Exo_
Tictock
ykl


Didn't you point out mocsta has no scum reads and he's not even in your list?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 22:03 GMT
#1858
On March 23 2018 07:00 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +

On March 22 2018 07:27 Mocsta wrote:
i have to vote conversion at this point just to save myself ffs.
i dont think i filter-dived him before, so taking a leap of faith.

wtf is going on.


This is not a good post. Instead of trying to divert a lynch towards one of his many scum reads, he just wants to coinflip on me. His vote pattern is now n00bking -> rels -> me


Quoted this from Conv’s post at the top of pg86. Really odd to me that he calls himself a coinflip.

@Conv
Mocsta said his vote was to save himself, people voting for self-preservation is pretty NAI as it is good play for both alignments.

None of the rest of that post was interesting, I’ve never understood why some ppl put a big deal on not townreading people who share a read with you. Scum hop on town’s reads all the time and while sharing a read should be taken into consideration it is never a solid basis for a read.


That's completely different to what happened.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 22 2018 22:13 GMT
#1862
On March 23 2018 07:08 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:
Read my case yo. You missed out the parts where mocsta says noobking looks better but then says he's scummy a few posts later but then repeats he looks better again when everyone unvoted him.


Have not read your case, but since when is changing ones mind a scummy thing to do?

Pretty sure that is much more likely to come from town.

I’m realizing that I am probably defending Mocsta more than I should, but I am starting to suspect HF is scum. The last time I saw him have a narrow and unwavering focus like this he was scum.

Noting this to remind myself to look into it later.


I haven't read your case about how it looks like he didn't change his mind and how he looked like he's making up reads but let me just take my time to defend him anyway from a read I don't and can't understand until I've read the case.


Mafia ticktock.
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