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On March 22 2018 21:09 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 19:06 Palmar wrote:
I actually really like rayn's last quote on noobking. That was a perfectly readable sentence by ykl, but noobking decided to be obtuse about it. Is it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster. That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.
I think we should kill noobking. That'd be good.
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my bad.
I actually think we should kill noobking.
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To clarify to slower than normal people:
a) rayn's point is very good. This post here:
On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. Nervous about something? Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you? "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?"
Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it.
Then in the post about me:
s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played:
On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here.
On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.
His filter is basically empty.
Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization.
So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant.
The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly.
This is actually a great case 
Oh and this part:
That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game.
I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".
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On March 22 2018 21:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:39 Palmar wrote:
my bad.
I actually think we should kill noobking. Why him over moosy, Ex0_, FF, Coagulation, tictock?
moosy/coag are just vigi shots. Lynching afk players or players who don't play is for day 1 and then vigi shots. I have nothing that points towards them being mafia or town.
And knowing both of them, I have zero faith that they'll ever do anything useful this game.
FF is meh, could be mafia, but i don't have a clear case like I just described on noobking.
Exo I'm less sure on. he could be town lynchbait, or maybe he's a flailing scum. idk I haven't read him in detail.
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On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game?
I'm the best vigilante on TL mafia.
Vigilante should shoot into trash. That's the vigilante's job.
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On March 22 2018 21:58 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but did you go back and search if he does this bs word reading as town palmar?
Touché.
The word reading isn't the problem, it's how he's applying it. He's using it to stir shit when shit doesn't need to be stirred.
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On March 22 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
I took kill as shoot night1
Not lynxh day2
While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante.
The tier list of vigilante shots is something like:
1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed)
2) Liars
3) Trash and afkers
4) Active scummy players
5) own face
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On March 22 2018 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
But does he do it as town?
no idea, I don't meta.
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are you gonna be difficult about this hf? Do you like my case? You should like my case...
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On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
I took kill as shoot night1
Not lynxh day2 While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante. The tier list of vigilante shots is something like: 1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed) 2) Liars 3) Trash and afkers 4) Active scummy players 5) own face
The problem is that most people are terrible at mafia, so shooting based on their reads is usually a bad idea.
Here, read this!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/232671-how-to-play-vigilante-and-how-to-play-cop
I actually disagree with Ace on the "nonsense" bit. To me afk people are far worse than people who just troll throughout the game (also I don't wanna have to shoot Chez and Slam every game).
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On March 22 2018 22:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote:
are you gonna be difficult about this hf? Do you like my case? You should like my case... I love your case because it was my case last game and my case this game too.
yeah but I don't read your posts all that much
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so it's not really my fault. You should have tried harder yesterday.
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On March 22 2018 22:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:01 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
I took kill as shoot night1
Not lynxh day2 While I feel fairly certain noobking is mafia. it's still not how you should play vigilante. The tier list of vigilante shots is something like: 1) Confirmed mafia (actually confirmed, not just maybe confirmed) 2) Liars 3) Trash and afkers 4) Active scummy players 5) own face just out of interest - i know it is not fully applicable this game: but if there are two close wagons and you lynch town, wouldnt it make sense to shoot the counterwagon?
no, unless the counterwagon is a liar or trash.
two close wagons are no more likely to be mafia/town than town/town
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If the case that was made to lynch the surviving wagon was a good case, it'll still be a good case on day 2.
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On March 22 2018 22:20 disformation wrote:
aight thanks palmar.
what do you think of hf atm?
Working under the assumption I'm right on noobking, he's probably town. The only problem I have with it is that if he knew all this yesterday, how come his push was so weak? And it's really the same with Mocsta. I haven't read hf's reasons for thinking mocsta is mafia, but I have no big reasons to think mocsta is scum outside of his very weak entry. Someone asked me if Mocsta dropping the post restriction is more town or scum, and I think it's more likely to be town, as I don't think he was ever in any real danger of being lynched.
But yeah, HF seems to be pretty bad at getting things done this game, but for HF that isn't necessarily a scumtell, it might even be a towntell because he tends to try to wrestle for control in games when he's mafia.
I'm basically doing wait and see with HF for now. If I'm wrong on noobking, and HF keeps doing nothing remarkable maybe I'll reconsider.
Also, if somehow other loudmouths like myself and rayn die, and HF survives and THEN starts to take control, everyone should be super suspicious of him.
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That was a bit rambly,
tl;dr: tentative townlean
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oh and do consider:
if HF is right on noobking it makes him more towny, because he made a correct case for the correct reasons on mafia.
if HF is wrong, that doesn't really say anything. Townies are wrong all the time. If he's wrong, it's time to look at his other reads and contributions. Being wrong isn't scummy.
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On March 22 2018 22:33 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2018 22:18 Conversion wrote:
@HF the only thing that doesn’t make sense from scum!Mocsta os why he would look to change wagons so much when he had a real threat of being lynched. like tbh if he just went for easy wagons I would have gone on him ????? Are you mafia. Mocsta only changed wagons ONCE when he entered after waking up to YOU and then joined the wagon on rels. What wagon hopping did he do? yes I am mafia and I am going to shoot you tomorrow anyways, I thought he jumped more than just on Rels. let me actually take a look
weak fake scumclaim with no humorous effect noted.
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On March 22 2018 22:40 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:38 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2018 22:33 Conversion wrote:On March 22 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2018 22:18 Conversion wrote:
@HF the only thing that doesn’t make sense from scum!Mocsta os why he would look to change wagons so much when he had a real threat of being lynched. like tbh if he just went for easy wagons I would have gone on him ????? Are you mafia. Mocsta only changed wagons ONCE when he entered after waking up to YOU and then joined the wagon on rels. What wagon hopping did he do? yes I am mafia and I am going to shoot you tomorrow anyways, I thought he jumped more than just on Rels. let me actually take a look weak fake scumclaim with no humorous effect noted. Lol according to ya vig priority lynch he doesnt qualify lol Not confirmed and not lying and not lurker ;p
sure, but that doesn't mean I'm disallowed to talk about mafia.
I tend to die on n1, so I like saying things.
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although to be fair, conversion is close to being a lurker, he has no memorable interactions I can think of
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