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On March 28 2018 14:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 14:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p). I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way. I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general. Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention. This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way! Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you. Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit. -flops on- I really, really like the n2 town circle we had going though. You, tt, and df helped me tons by being such easy townreads. And leading me to disfo. You guys had every right to want to quit but hung in there. I'm the only one who knew we had a chance but couldn't really say it lol >< Sorry for steering people wrong on the raynman >> All good. I think everyone had someone they was not willing to budge on.
Vivax = Kelsier
rsoultin = Rayn
TT = Disfo
and so, on.
Tough game and # of blues was lol. Sure this was a classic ;P ?
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On March 28 2018 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think it's subjective. I also don't think a mafia game has much to do with "job to influence people". Good for you.
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On March 28 2018 14:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 14:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 14:28 rsoultin wrote:also ftr if i'd blocked the kp on me rather than tt, i would have retracted the koshi 100% scumread and just gone ham on palmar >> mostly cause not shiny could equal blue and rb is such a dumb claim buuuut shoulda woulda coulda that's easy to claim. the ham on palmar bit definitely woulda happened though  i'm clearly shite at crumbs. koshi got it i think <3 everyone else didn't? u crumbed? dayam. i wasnt going to look through 19 page filter for it! hahah Lol >< I asterixed his name? Plus I said I'd lied about townreading him? I guess it was too subtle? Or I just assumed people would get into my head and connect the dots between 'why would she lie about a read', oh 'she's jk it was to get the jk off on scum' heh Lol. i saw the asterix but it did not register!! thats funny.
as for the palmar thing, i assumed you did it as a mindgame so they wouldnt shoot you.
tbh, i stopped looking at things at any level of depth after N1.
its disgusting i had a 15page filter. really should have stuck to the restrictions and discussed more formulated ideas.
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On March 28 2018 14:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 14:41 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 14:36 rsoultin wrote:On March 28 2018 14:31 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p). I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way. I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general. Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention. This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way! Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you. Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit. -flops on- I really, really like the n2 town circle we had going though. You, tt, and df helped me tons by being such easy townreads. And leading me to disfo. You guys had every right to want to quit but hung in there. I'm the only one who knew we had a chance but couldn't really say it lol >< Sorry for steering people wrong on the raynman >> All good. I think everyone had someone they was not willing to budge on. Vivax = Kelsier rsoultin = Rayn TT = Disfo and so, on. Tough game and # of blues was lol. Sure this was a classic ;P ? only after his drunk post @.@ which you were right on, incidentally and TT makes a ton of sense. i can't blame him for thinking that there can't be a mafia vet when he gets vet returned as a role just like i can't blame people in general for wanting to lynch into blues with so many blue claims. the balance wasn't what we're used to seeing yeah, its hard to understand what would you do differently in a similar circumstance because unfortunately for town, the mafia werent hidden in the lurker pool (coag aside).
Day1, 2 & 3. there was enough info to lynch palmar, disfo and potentially rayn.
i think in general though that active delurking is a pro-scum thing but seems to be very common.
i spose it makes sense in the time poor conditions most of us are in these days.
if i play mafia again, i will need to adjust heuristics cos some things just flat out are not valid as a scum or town association.
like, i leaned moosy was town for majority of game; but fuck me... its kinda appalling you could think someone is town for that.
this is a long way of advocating policy lynches lol
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On March 28 2018 14:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 14:41 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think it's subjective. I also don't think a mafia game has much to do with "job to influence people". Good for you. Well, do you think there is a job where your boss comes weekly and says either "now you need to offer these people the best deal possible", or alternatively "now you need to lie to these people and look like you're selling good shit but give them dog poo instead and also you need to make it look like it wasn't you". And you never know what's it gonna be next week. This is pointless.
Some of us have swallowed the red pill in real life, and others haven't.
Every day is about influencing people.
As it works in mafia, being in the same team with people doesnt mean you get what or need by default.
& if you were seeking an answer to that question, there are plenty of jobs like that.
im in the professional sector: major projects and engineering & relatively senior.
Sure, at the bitch level, its do what you are told.
But like spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility !
P.S. i have never been lynched or mislynched in real life
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On March 28 2018 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Influencing people in real life is far easier than in mafia because you only have to play "one alignment", whatever that is. If you say so
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On March 28 2018 14:48 rsoultin wrote:
trying to figure out how to crumb well enough that people can find them but not so overtly that you give mafia a ton of information before you flip is hard @.@
i'm not a good blue player
at least this time i didn't claim d2 thinking missing kp meant i'd jk'd scum without pausing to think about the other scenarios, and then my lovely friend who always scumreads me (ExO) who was an alignment cop, outs to say i'm godfather because his town result was colored green and not blue. i saw it coming (not the last bit, just the lead up to the role reveal) and was like, no, no, they have a framer stop ;o; now two blues will have claimed for nothing. but it was even sillier lol ><
incidentally palmar and sl were scum there and won that game too lol >< Lol. hey, you did something absolutely right n2 to keep the game going, so well done!
dont beat yaself up.. hey.. im the guy that genuinely thought mafia could only be strongman or backup and outed myself.
i never recovered from that - at least thats my excuse this game
I was hoping our first town-town game would have resulted in at least one successful lynch 
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On March 28 2018 14:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 14:54 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 14:48 rsoultin wrote:
trying to figure out how to crumb well enough that people can find them but not so overtly that you give mafia a ton of information before you flip is hard @.@
i'm not a good blue player
at least this time i didn't claim d2 thinking missing kp meant i'd jk'd scum without pausing to think about the other scenarios, and then my lovely friend who always scumreads me (ExO) who was an alignment cop, outs to say i'm godfather because his town result was colored green and not blue. i saw it coming (not the last bit, just the lead up to the role reveal) and was like, no, no, they have a framer stop ;o; now two blues will have claimed for nothing. but it was even sillier lol ><
incidentally palmar and sl were scum there and won that game too lol >< Lol. hey, you did something absolutely right n2 to keep the game going, so well done! dont beat yaself up.. hey.. im the guy that genuinely thought mafia could only be strongman or backup and outed myself. i never recovered from that - at least thats my excuse this game I was hoping our first town-town game would have resulted in at least one successful lynch lol it might have...this game was weird in many ways @.@ bad reads don't help \o/ you're super fun to play with though so I hope you keep playingi also really enjoy playing with df? don't want to get that convo started again but yeah, just putting that out there then again joni is a good friend and i've never minded ksc so maybe i'm just jaded lol Yeah, you too. I doubt I will play again any time soon though.
Mafia is *such* a timesink. Im amazed that people can separate themselves from the obsesssion of the puzzle - i certainly struggle to do it.
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On March 28 2018 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't get me wrong Mocsta, i have always enjoyed playing with you because you're actually playing the game and trying regardless of your affiliation. Thats not why i am stopping; but thanks for the kind words regardless.
Its simply that its a timesink. Like 2-8hrs a day reading and thinking stacks up over a week.
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On March 28 2018 16:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 15:54 Holyflare wrote:On March 28 2018 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just gonna say it out loud, Holyflare is the best mafia player i know and in my mind pretty much noone comes even close. <3 Maybe not anymore. I once was. I don't know that I'd be as superlative, but you're still one of the best even with less time, which is very impressive And he might be right in the sense that of the best town players you probably have the best scum game heh. I 100% agree on marv, though. Being almost 100% readable as town because either your scum game is bad or you just refuse to play as scum knocks you out of the running imo. It's a lot easier to play as 'confirmed'. I dunno if something changed after I left, or my memory fails me.
I was of the impression people feared marv scum game??
I thought he had a high winning record as either alignment??
My recollectiion was ppl sheeping because they agreed with his logic vs being confirmed.
Then again, my experience with him was say 4 to 5 years ago. meh
perhaps his downfall was after I had a flawless victory against him
I still remember that themed game like it was yesterday - sort of l0l
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On March 28 2018 16:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It is easy to agree with someone's logic when they don't show the same logic as mafia (when they know they are wrong and don't do the same assesments they would as town just because they can't).
When let's say HF or even me are perfectly logical in a game that doesn't mean we are believed just because there is the emotional factor in these games as well where you go "but what if...", if you discount that factor (where someone cannot actually make those kind of posts as mafia -- aka is always town there), it is so much more easier to sheep them. people arent black and white and on style fits all
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On March 28 2018 21:04 Holyflare wrote:
Still salty didn't get healed.
Do you think you would have dropped ya read on me?
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On March 28 2018 21:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2018 21:25 Mocsta wrote:On March 28 2018 21:04 Holyflare wrote:
Still salty didn't get healed. Do you think you would have dropped ya read on me? Yeah, absolutely would have changed reads on both you and tt. Would have pushed for palmar day 2.
Yeah. Such a different outcome
I was set on a scum between you and palmar.
Ohh well
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