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On March 20 2018 17:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:On March 20 2018 11:55 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 11:44 Tictock wrote:On March 20 2018 11:38 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 11:22 Vivax wrote:On March 20 2018 11:12 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 11:04 Vivax wrote:On March 20 2018 10:57 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:
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point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far.
point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts.
Rayn never made that second point did he? You’re putting words in his mouth and then agreeing with them....what I dont understand is why. I don’t like it — Scum reading Kelsier. Though I’ll admit I’m not a fan of HF’s posts...I think HF is either VT or scum — not sure which. ????????? What a contrived way of saying nothing Either he’s VT and doesn’t care enough to try, or scum and not saying much And how does that further your goal of finding scum if that can be said for anyone else in the game? IE he's town or mafia. That much is obvious. Anyone is town or mafia. The addendums you just put there don't change the fact that it's a completely pointless statement to make? He’s VT or mafia — not blue. That’s the distinction here First off, I have no idea how on earth you believe that you can tell if HF is a role or not based on his ~4 posts. Second, there is literally no reason why town should be concerned about someone being a role or not in the first few hours of the game. Third, even IF you did somehow have a god read about HF's role status you should realize it is only in Mafia's interest to point that out. ##Vote: ExoI just can't believe you actually have this "role read", and can be this bothered by Vivax pinging you to hard defend it as town. This is a super-terrible reason to vote against someone. It is only in Mafia's interest for a TOWN player to point it out. It's not really in Mafia's interest at all for Mafia to point it out. What is the Mafia motivation supposed to be, for making such an observation? Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read. For one, saying you're not a power role does not fall "under the guise of scum hunting." Meanwhile, if you don't think saying you aren't a role helps Mafia in ANY way, then you must be completely disagreeing with what Ticktock said here?
I don't think it helps mafia if he's town because he can't know what I am. It's pointless. It helps mafia if he's mafia because he uses this pointless post to try and fit in with scum hunting.
I don't think town makes a pointless post to say nothing like that simply put. You're not gonna sway me by just saying the opposite thing everyone says.
Even last game when someone said I'm mafia medic or town medic had some thought process behind it.
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On March 20 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291? Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up. In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread. Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match. I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post. Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either: 1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or 2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again. I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this. Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me. His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice.......
I also thought he was referencing your mocsta point. You apparently did too because you said "what mocsta point"
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On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way,
mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test
There's a giant comma. If it's a separate point I would at least expect a full stop.
-channels noobking-
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On March 20 2018 18:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also dont understand why someone refers to my Mocsta "point" because i never had one and clearly said so.
Isn't that exo's point? He didn't think you posted a mocsta read and was questioning it?
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Yeah I'm just gonna vote noobking and have free mafia.
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Lol i can absolutely see exo making those points about the mocsta read.
Kelsier posts mocsta thing on rayn.
Rayn says what.
Kelsier explains
Exo picks on the point 2 he was originally confused about and says he's making it up.
Shitness ensues?
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I think you're arguing about an invalid thing. Still think exo is probably mafia though. Maybe should stop defending him but game is boring otherwise.
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On March 20 2018 18:46 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 18:07 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 18:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 18:02 Holyflare wrote:On March 20 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 17:47 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 16:15 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gonna look into it in 15mins when i am home, igot into middle of something rn. In the meantime any thoughts on my post 291? Last post for a bit. Need to reserve some for influx of people waking up. In short, I find #291 to be a serious post. I think it demonstrates a lack of care to read the thread. Does this make Ex0_ mafia or town... well, whilst both parties do this, I think town is more likely than mafia to NOT read closely early game; and mafia is more likely than town to do this as the game progresses and becomes a waiting match. I get what you are saying here but my problem is that the FIRST and pretty much the ONLY thing Exo focused on at that point in the game was the Kelsier "read" from Holyflare. I literally gave him the answer he was looking for and Kelsier commented on THAT post. Exo reads Kelsier's post but somehow he has managed to completely miss the post Kelsier is commenting on (aka my post) when it is pretty much the ONLY thing he has focused in the game so far. I find it quite hard to believe a townie picks up something they find interesting and then either: 1) completely forget it was interesting the next moment, or 2) completely "miss" the point made on the fact that he found interesting and even question the dude who basically points out the post again. I’m pretty confused here. Kelsier made a comment your post was the beat in the game so far, and implied it was because you agreed mocsta was being a fucktard. You never said this. Re-reading just now, he’s trying to claim these were two separate statements (your post was best, mocsta is a fucktard) but It didn’t read that way to me. His "best point" was a comment to me telling Holyflare's Kelsier read is completely crap, something you were interested in earlier but somehow managed to miss this, twice....... I also thought he was referencing your mocsta point. You apparently did too because you said "what mocsta point" The thing is if he really cared about this he would go read my filter and maybe he missed my post on Kelsier earlier but there is no way he goes read my filter and misses it the second time around. I did reread your filter. However I didn’t make the connection here. That being said, Kelsier, as of right now what’s your read on HF? Okay let's makje it very simple, if what you say is true why do you after reading this: Normally i wouldn't bother but i don't wanna read pages of useless discussion when the game before the last one Kelsier had ~30 posts D1, managed to find 2 mafia in his 2 mafia reads, shot mafia on N1 and got shot on N1 so he is perfectly capable of trying and also playing well doing so. I don't know where you get what you're smoking since you played that game. post this: On March 20 2018 10:44 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2018 08:35 KelsierSC wrote:
I think rayn has the best point so far by a long way,
mocsta has posted dumb shit and is definitely failing the fucktard test Am i missing something because i don't know what my point you are referring to is? I don't think anything Mocsta has posted makes him anything. @KelsierSC what point did Rayn have that was the best by a long way? especially since you say: On March 20 2018 10:57 ExO_ wrote:On March 20 2018 08:44 KelsierSC wrote:On March 20 2018 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now you got me even more confused. point 1. Your question of holyflares "read" on me is the best thing so far. point 2. mocsta is making bad "fucktard" posts. Rayn never made that second point did he? You’re putting words in his mouth and then agreeing with them....what I dont understand is why. I don’t like it — Scum reading Kelsier. Though I’ll admit I’m not a fan of HF’s posts...I think HF is either VT or scum — not sure which. And now you said you associated Kelsier's post with the Mocsta thing? The logical conclusion for you to make is to assume his "good point" refers to the Kelsier/Holyflare thing but instead you now say you associated it it with the Mocsta thing which you said you didn't earlier. uh oh... I posted as I read the thread. You ask why I made my first post, and then quote the post I made after it (as I read more). Long story short, when I open up your filter I didn’t notice your comment of “not true tho” is refering to the HF thing. The point I was making was that Keisler looked like he was trying to claim you made a read on mocsta and was agreeing with it, rather than making a read on mocsta on his own.
Why does mafia post a really obviously untrue thing to sheep?
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On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game, especially if the pace keeps at the rate it is now. If I'm to vote on something I want a literal 1 post explanatory case that gives the reason someone is scum. The only exception is maybe day 1 voting complete shitters and afkers if we don't have a solid case by the end of the day.
Last game where noobking was mafia he just focused on "scum reading" me in an attempt to shit up the thread and cause confusion instead of calling people town or mafia and giving reasons. His play style as mafia (from a one game meta) was to ONLY point out logical fallacies and never actually scum hunt or see why people would make those mistakes.
Much the same here, noobking is far more concerned with arguing semantics and trivial details and when he has put a vote down on someone it is unexplained and sheeping a bad koshi post potentially (who knows if he doesn't ever explain?).
He was called out on this and instead of giving his view, explaining where he was coming from and trying to determine people's alignments he was content to shit on really minor wording about the word vote.
When I said that someone is scummy for calling me not blue and explaining the thought process he was more concerned defending why that person is town using, again, semantics rather than trying to look at a bigger picture.
Tl;dr
Concerned with logical fallacies and arguing rather than scum hunting. Like his last mafia game.
Trying to prove someone town by arguing semantics rather than scum hunting.
Sheeping koshi's read and not explaining anything other than arguing semantics.
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On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts): 1) Exo claims hf is "not blue" 2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read) 3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant) This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf: Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true.[red] Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read. In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else? what am I missing?
Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock.
Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that".
I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read.
Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics.
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Basically I minorly scum read exo for posting an irrelevant post. That's literally it and why I haven't pushed it further.
I more scum read noobking for dragging out an absolutely small post for no reason other than to argue mafia's motivation and town reading exo.
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I absolutely side with exo on this one. Koshi's post is not a reason and voting with it is bad. Sarcastic quips to belittle exo when he's doing nothing particularly wrong is bad.
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On March 21 2018 00:41 Conversion wrote:
My last post was horribly written.
I still think n00bking is scum, but if I have to consolidate for the greater good of town disfo would be the only person I would be comfortable getting off of n00bking for.
You're going to unpressure noobking because you want to consolidate 24 hours away from lynch? What a shit post.
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On March 21 2018 01:41 Conversion wrote:
Right, and your post wasn't reeking of shit at all. Great posting there!
I'm off this thread as I'm in meetings until around 6PM EST. Toodles~
I take it back. Sorry.
Why do you feel the need to consolidate instead of push though?
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On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I could vote noob. Not because I think he's the scummiest scummer to ever scum or even think this aligns that much with last game, but because his posting kind of makes me yawn.
This does make me feel a little better about HF because I see where he's coming from, though. It's a far cry from the rants of last game, but the focus of his posts generally feels wrong.
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? (as he amends after being questioned). It's almost like a really forced attempt at a dumbtell or something. Not the strongest evidence, I know, but coupled with the rest, I'm fine with a NK lynch.
Wasn't it you that said you coached him and that it's his town meta...?
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Also fuck this week's working schedule. I'm literally just free from work 
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On March 21 2018 06:19 Vivax wrote:
I might fall asleep before deadline.
In the meantime I want to point out that both of noobkings current voters didn't really take my bait question. I was expecting an answer from a town player motivated to lynch him. And that to a post that reads rather townie to me.
I'm mid replying but now I got 2%.
He's basically angry and nitpicking how people have shit logic again? Doesn't say anything really.
It's a jab at ticktock for saying he got 2 mafia.
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On March 21 2018 06:19 Vivax wrote:
I might fall asleep before deadline.
In the meantime I want to point out that both of noobkings current voters didn't really take my bait question. I was expecting an answer from a town player motivated to lynch him. And that to a post that reads rather townie to me.
It's in 24 hours??
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