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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 20:27 GMT
#2968
On March 26 2018 05:25 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2018 05:24 rsoultin wrote:
Indeed, there's plenty of time to worry about which reads are right or wrong after koshi. I'll be honest, I started going through disinfo's past games and threw up my hands and said fuck it \o/ earlier because lol >< He feels different this game even after the vet claim and that's enough for now when koshi is 100% the lynch tomorrow in my eyes.

Kinda rude, btw, that you hold my ability to read you when I clearly did not have any sort of soul read on you last game to a higher standard than your own on me, but whatever. If that's town moosy I guess that's town moosy. I can decide later if I think that's true or not lol ><

In other news, Lex says if I stay up to play the game through deadline he'd rather I sleep on the couch @.@

Rude men ftw


What a rude boi. Slap him around


inorite?

Worse, when he's staying up later to prepare for his night shifts he always comes to bed in the wee hours lol >< It's okay, though. I asked what he'd prefer and the Dutch do have this tendency of being ridiculously honest heh
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 21:00 GMT
#2971
Yup, upon reflection, moosy is still solidly in the scum pool. My recent meta dive of him did cover a few years ago, and it was a week? or two ago during last game, but he was definitely moving the game forward. However much he might look at the game differently, he does appear to actually be trying to solve it.

The OMGUS you're just scum or bad I don't even care, you're scum to me so I don't care about talking to you...I don't think it's impossible to come from a town moosy, but it's an awfully convenient way to avoid having to discuss anything with me so he can just continue pushing this 'everyone active in the thread after flips was mafia \o/ (minus mocsta cause claim but I'm gearing up to call him scum later with all these saved posts, and plus ff cause ff is always an easy add-on to a potential scum team)'

Like I said, I don't think it's impossible to come from a town moosy. But I just don't think it would come in the same way and be without any real consideration whatsoever other than you're reading me wrong! So if I give him the benefit of the doubt on this and say maybe this is my bias speaking, that brings it to NAI, and D2 is still missing the drive that I would expect from a town moosy.

The TT is scum because NK is town (insert narrative here) read is really shallow. Association reads could well be part of his town meta, but my memory of his town play was not a long litany of if x is scum/town y is scum/town without any real analysis behind it. I remember being able to discuss things with him and having fun.

So yeah. Maybe I'm just snorting monoxide as he claims lol >< And maybe he starts shitting town rainbows later and proves me wrong. I rather doubt it, though.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 22:05 GMT
#2976
Okies, well, every time I go over Palmar's filter I keep coming back to how there's a casual flippancy to it that I just have trouble seeing as scum lol >< And I still think rayn's assessment of how he handled disfo is right.

If disfo is scum, Palmar would have already been bussing him, so why bother backing down when it looks weird?

Which is kinda awful because I also just kinda want to call FF town for even less reason. So one of these has to be wrong.

May have to content myself with a lynch pool of five, even if that's not gonna get that oh so shiny post-game cred Think I'm too tired to get anything new out of Palmar's filter.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 22:27 GMT
#2981
On March 26 2018 07:16 Mocsta wrote:
rsoultin, i hate to muddy waters, but i dont understand the rayn hard town read either - for the drunken posting.

if anything thats a scum indicator (i.e. getting mad that town are unfoiling the mafia plans).. at least it reminded me of when i angry posted, last.

all i mean is, i would consider rayn a lynch option for the final slot.


I get that. Part of it is tonally he just has felt very town to me all game. Pushing after things he finds inconsistent, but still willing to listen. My waffle was he absolutely knows how I read him, and has fooled me before with it. Though you're right that in this game even if Koshi and (maybe?) Palmar were scum, there's still a lot of strong town players who don't read him that way, so it's probably still a stretch that he'd make the effort to go that distance just for me.

(For frame of reference, I used to call him out as scum quite early and quite accurately because he'd just scream his head off without trying to involve people and also get reads off of them based on what he was seeing, and then he adjusted and stopped being so obvious ;o;)

But his angry post was deeply personal. If you reread it closely, his primary issue was that I neither had him in my list of four scummers, or the town leader circle I was building. It was hurt pride. And it's also basically the crux of why he so very frequently scumreads me when we're both town (i.e. I say something that he thinks I can't possibly believe, though usually it's disagreeing with his reasoning somewhere). There's just absolutely no reason for his pride to be hurt if he's scum. Yay, he fooled me! Right? Between that and his tone all game, I just can't see him being anything but town here.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 22:29 GMT
#2982
You can of course argue that he's faking the hurt pride, but I don't think it would even cross his mind if he were scum? To go, oh, I'd be offended by this if I were town, better scumread Tina 100%!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 22:49 GMT
#2992
I actually managed to stay up! My body is going to hate me tomorrow when we wake up at 5:30 ;o;

And yeah, I get that the rayn read is hugely meta-based and on top of that personal, but, you know, I'm me lol >< I don't have the gift of believing one thing and pushing that read with different (more persuadable) reasoning.

Is persuadable a word?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 22:55 GMT
#2997
On March 26 2018 07:51 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways,

the more I think about it.
disfo is scum.

I really dont see how we have 4 blue roles. and I am certain scum would never withhold KP on Night 1 and disfo certainly was not shot to test the vest.

So Day3 lynch = Disfo
Day4 lynch = Koshi
Day 5 lynch = Moosy

[b]I believe we need 2 KP blocks to keep this game going if remaining lynches are successful; which will be a big ask.
As I think 3 mafia will need to be lynch before KP drops to 1....

Final mafia is dependent on who is still standing.



Just have to hope extra kp was a one-shot?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 22:58 GMT
#2999
If I Die Before I Wake

Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.

*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.

(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)

Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.

disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.

FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).

DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.

Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 25 2018 23:01 GMT
#3002
gg
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:08 GMT
#3765
oh god duh

that's why. you guys wanted me dead. lol >< didn't count that jking me would have ended the game but i totes get that it's like...if we block her we can't kill her

yeeeeaaahh i'm going to pretend my play through d2 wasn't shite, and that i wasn't scumreading koshi and moosy when i died and be like

\o/ played well! -snorts-

i honestly just started trying hard to play the game n2 cause i knew if i got rb'd and palmar was almost definitely mafia so i should get rb'd the game was over. but maybe i could make them rethink the blueread by being 'we have to shoot her rsoul', or at least game them by townreading palmar so that i could then jk him and stop a shot lol >< kinda expected the game to end n2 tbf though

@mocsta, good read man. if i have as many doubts on rayn as i did this game again i'm going to know not to dismiss it as paranoid in future lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:10 GMT
#3766
plus there was no way i was trying for a save. too many medic dodge targets. and if rayn was town mafia should 100% be shooting me and rayn because i /told/ palmar who my jk target was @.@

dumb trusting rsoul lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:12 GMT
#3767
NK was actually pretty towny d2 tbf, once he stopped arguing how amazing he was lol >< palmar was nooooot at aaaaallll in his reaction to NK. that's when i went fuck mafia knows i'm jk lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:23 GMT
#3772
On March 28 2018 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2018 14:08 rsoultin wrote:
if i have as many doubts on rayn as i did this game again i'm going to know not to dismiss it as paranoid in future lol ><

I will tell you a secret, after, or well starting from 1-day mafia i have been playing mostly against you when i am mafia aka breaking my meta because i am not sure what i can get away with and not with you the most.

I am so rude.


fucking hell ><

and here i was...god he has played to how i read him before...but it's a 20 player game i don't think he bothers with just me here...

you ass lol ><

also, apparently if i hadn't been a dumbass and thought I'd outed myself to palmar i wouldn't have know that y'all knew, and wouldn't have tried to game you -snickers- that's kinda...hilarious

i would never have known i had to play fake out the scum if i hadn't been an idiot in the first place \o/
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:28 GMT
#3775
also ftr if i'd blocked the kp on me rather than tt, i would have retracted the koshi 100% scumread and just gone ham on palmar >> mostly cause not shiny could equal blue and rb is such a dumb claim

buuuut

shoulda woulda coulda that's easy to claim. the ham on palmar bit definitely woulda happened though i'm clearly shite at crumbs. koshi got it i think <3 everyone else didn't?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:29 GMT
#3776
On March 28 2018 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tina i didn't really got you were blue and i don't know why Palmar and / or disfo decided to watch you N1 but it was a really good call. Only thing i said about night actions was "if i am getting tracked or something i will blame you guys" when they were about to make me deliver a kill.


eh i was playing shite and mafia knew i was town. not shocked honestly
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:36 GMT
#3779
On March 28 2018 14:31 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p).
I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way.

I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general.

Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention.

This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way!
Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you.

Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit.


-flops on- I really, really like the n2 town circle we had going though. You, tt, and df helped me tons by being such easy townreads. And leading me to disfo. You guys had every right to want to quit but hung in there. I'm the only one who knew we had a chance but couldn't really say it lol ><

Sorry for steering people wrong on the raynman >>
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:38 GMT
#3782
Also felt ff was a pretty easy townread if you know how he plays? Stand by the puppy read <3

Sorry, moosy :/ I just really expected you to work with people more. The off in a corner muttering about association reads threw me off. Bad read on my part. Though you really should have talked to me rather than saying I was scum or dumb it's super hard to get out of a wrong read when that's the reaction you get.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:39 GMT
#3784
On March 28 2018 14:37 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2018 14:28 rsoultin wrote:
also ftr if i'd blocked the kp on me rather than tt, i would have retracted the koshi 100% scumread and just gone ham on palmar >> mostly cause not shiny could equal blue and rb is such a dumb claim

buuuut

shoulda woulda coulda that's easy to claim. the ham on palmar bit definitely woulda happened though i'm clearly shite at crumbs. koshi got it i think <3 everyone else didn't?

u crumbed? dayam.

i wasnt going to look through 19 page filter for it! hahah


Lol >< I asterixed his name? Plus I said I'd lied about townreading him? I guess it was too subtle? Or I just assumed people would get into my head and connect the dots between 'why would she lie about a read', oh 'she's jk it was to get the jk off on scum' heh
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:40 GMT
#3785
On March 26 2018 07:58 rsoultin wrote:
If I Die Before I Wake

Koshi 100% scum. All you need to see that is reading his posts post-flip. Too happy about players getting themselves modkilled, the comment about Slam, etc. Add to that his complete lack of influence on the game.

*Palmar 98% scum. I lied The way he delurked on weekend to attack n00bking both when NK first brought up the contradiction in his perception of blue claims, and when NK claimed blue, is not only opportunistic but counter to how Palmar normally plays weekends as town. Which is to say, he doesn't. Moreover, it was a classic strawman argument that he made. Namely, that he was saying he didn't push it as he should in the last game so NK was lying. But obviously he 1) did push it with just a few minutes left to go and 2) if he saw it as a mistake he's more likely to try to get such blue claims lynched harder in the future. A strawman argument, given Palmar, doesn't make him scum normally but I'd say it almost certainly does when he makes it seriously. If I get nk'd tonight, he's also probably the reason. Though, to be fair, I probably was going to get NK'd regardless of the scum team. Also, his reactions after the flips were only slightly better than koshi's.

(sorry, rayn. I did find your point plausible, I just don't think he thinks people are going to go digging up old games to see if his approach to the game on that specific point line up. And I actually think it makes disfo a bit more likely to be scum, as well)

Moosy 90% scum. I think there's an eentsy beentsy chance I'm just expecting too much of him. I think he's hoping to bank on Rayn's read and a general perception that he's just a trolly, useless player. To me, he never has been. And because I don't want to call him useless or anything if I happen to be wrong here, I'm just going to say this would have to be a very off game for him given the Moosy I remember, to reduce his game post flips to blind associations everywhere and little interaction with other players.

disformation 60% scum. Wasn't lying about saying fuck it regarding filters. So this is more feels and intuition based off his play in vendee where he was pretty on the ball and off doing whatever he wanted and dumping analysis into the thread. Here it's less like he's poking into things and finding things that interest him, but rather being led by the nose where to sniff. I don't mind waffling when I can see people have points in favor and points against that they want to express to show what's making them unsure. With him, though, there's just too many posts where he talks without really saying anything, like his read on Moosy. That's a different kind of waffle. Caveat is yeah, I'm basing this off two games and confirming he can be active as fuck as scum.

FF 55% town. Putting him at a slight townread because of how he interacted with me at EoD 2. It just seemed very open and honest, like a puppy ;o; This is obviously a very weak read and if I'm wrong on anyone it's probably him and one of disfo/moosy (more likely disfo than moosy).

DF, TT, rayn and Mocsta are always town here (even though I'd love for Mocsta to be our friendly neighborhood SK ;o;). You can of course disagree. But I still stand by my scum probably has next to no motivation to play when the game could probably literally end tonight. Rayn's outburst I don't think ever comes from scum for reasons I've already said.

Coag...if this is the game man, kudos?

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 28 2018 05:43 GMT
#3788
On March 28 2018 14:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2018 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2018 14:31 Mocsta wrote:
On March 28 2018 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i really felt like this game you called everyone who disagreed with you either bad or scum and refused to contribute with them until i said that on the last day (and still you didn't listen to me :p).
I hope as a fact thats not true; so its a shame you felt that way.

I think day3 is a different story as its LYLO, and so many qusetion marks in general.

Im always willing to listen to what people say; but, my interpretation of what they are saying is heavily influenced by what I perceive their intention.

This is a messy way of saying I don't treat all facts the same way!
Its very hard to emulate this, and its certainly something I don't do as scum because it does put so much heat on you.

Like you + palmar ebbed in/out of being scummy to me all game; so kudos for changing post strat to suit.


-flops on- I really, really like the n2 town circle we had going though. You, tt, and df helped me tons by being such easy townreads. And leading me to disfo. You guys had every right to want to quit but hung in there. I'm the only one who knew we had a chance but couldn't really say it lol ><

Sorry for steering people wrong on the raynman >>
All good. I think everyone had someone they was not willing to budge on.

Vivax = Kelsier
rsoultin = Rayn
TT = Disfo

and so, on.

Tough game and # of blues was lol. Sure this was a classic ;P ?

only after his drunk post @.@ which you were right on, incidentally

and TT makes a ton of sense. i can't blame him for thinking that there can't be a mafia vet when he gets vet returned as a role

just like i can't blame people in general for wanting to lynch into blues with so many blue claims. the balance wasn't what we're used to seeing
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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