Well if Rels disagrees with me he either tries to make me see his way or understand my way or call me mafia. Take that as you want, i am sorry i was wrong in the end here but i don't think he did anything, especially what i think he would have done as town towards me.

I am not Moosy whisperer. Unless i am. I have my meta on him and that's it i am trusting it until someone makes a slam dunk case on him.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 02:00 GMT

#2334

My problem is this:

Guess I can let that HF stuff go.

[...]

Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.

Because in my world you are "pushing yourself" into wrong direction. And that's just not because of reads but also how you treat those two people here, Vivax is basically "i wanna sheep him", and HF is "maybe i can townread him now". That sounds unnatural as hell to me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 02:01 GMT

#2335

You literally sound like you maybe townread Holyflare who is dead confirmed town now.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 02:01 GMT

#2336

Just maybe.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 02:03 GMT

#2337

For dumpster ppl.

Vivax and HF died.
Tictock thinks Vivax is sheepable here, Holyflare is "probably town",
Go figure...

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 02:04 GMT

#2338

For people who are really fucking dumb because i cannot expect anything from anyone here anymore, both Vivax and Holyflare flipped town.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 02:10 GMT

#2341

Well did you cjeck who Vivax thought was scum?
idk. i am gonna answer that tomorrow because now i need to sleep.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 13:08 GMT

#2416

lol i was jsut about to start writing about Palmar. Maybe i will still do that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 13:33 GMT

#2419

The thing with Palmar's approach to disformation during D1 and after is this. I actually thought about that too there since i think disformation is mafia and originally i figured it would be beneficial for Palmar to do what he did if he is mafia with disformation.

The problem i have with that line of thought is the following:
We can probably agree Palmar isn't completely unaware of what happens in the game, especially close to the lynch D1. If Palmar is mafia there is actually zero benefit for him to downplay his accusation on disformation after the claim because:
1) thread sentiment suggest not lynching disformation anymore
2) he can use that as a cover up into eternity for not doing anything other than saying "lynch disformation"
Therefore i came to conclusion that this:

My gut says that veteran is both a stupid and weird claim for mafia to make. It's also one of those types of claims that bad townies feel really comfortable revealing, because they don't understand the role of a veteran in the game. Thus if I was forced to bet, I'd bet town on disfo.

...line of thought has to be legit thought process and the only explanation for "breaking character" is this. There is literally zero reason for Palmar to break character here regardless of disformation's alignment since not doing so ONLY helps his mafia play because it's correct (1) metawise, (2) noone can blame him fro that, (3) it gives him an excuse to not do anything. If disformation is mafia, the seed of bussing would have been implemented already before the claim so it makes no sense for him to not continue that. If disformation is town, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason Palmar should "lay off" him like he did.

Here is an example of Palmar breaking character as mafia. One big game there was we had a similar type of situation where Vivax claimed a role D1 when being lynched. Palmar is known for his "lynch claimers" policy, although he is a bit of a hypocrite in that tbh, lots of words why it's the best play, always do the opposing thing.... I, in that game, kept my vote on Vivax and tried to get him lynched because i didn't think the claim means anything. Palmar comes in -> says he reads me town -> says he will sheep me -> votes for the counter-wagon Rels. That is how Palmar breaks character as mafia, doing something completely illogical that fucks him up immediately + Show Spoiler +

(except that it doesn't since none of the plebs were able to lynch him in that game while me and Artanis shouted all N1 "Palmar is mafia" and got both killed N1)

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TLDR; There is zero reason for Palmar to break character he is very well aware of regardless of disformation's alignment.

Another thing is the coag townie seal that noobking talked about. I can't understand how he can come to a conclusion that "if Palmar is mafia he is lying" because i think that's a completely unnatural thought. There are more players in the game who know coag than Palmar, and the reason why noone is "contesting" the townie seal "case" is because well.. that's how it is. I can't figure out where the line of "if Palmar is mafia then he can be lying" comes from because that's not an option for him as mafia regardless of coag's alignment.

I am not sure why noobking throws all these things into trash and just follows one line of thought (which is definitely less likely than this). This is not even any sort of meta thing, this is just "why would town/mafia do this and how likely" which is what he loves all that much (like i do).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 13:36 GMT

#2421

I am also quite interested in why rsoultin apparently agrees with it??????

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 13:45 GMT

#2424

Coag has been tried to convince that in scum qt earlier and it didn't work.

I agree that the above thing is something a townie would say, but i kind of disagree it makes noobking townier because of how he looks at things and here he seems to be working completely differently than for example with his stuff on Tictock.

That being said i also think Tictock looks way better for his latest posts.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 13:45 GMT

#2425

Yeah i understood that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

March 24 2018 13:49 GMT

#2426

Another problem i have is that no matter how much i would like to lynch noobking here i don't think that's the best option here. Because the thread sentiment suggests that either:
1) noobking is mafia with lurkers
2) mafia doesn't care about what's happening -- aka mafia are lurkers

That is, if i am in fact correct and tictock isn't mafia after all.