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On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me....
Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope.
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On March 07 2018 12:20 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho
On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback.
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On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho
On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback.
I meant to spoiler these two quotes.
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On March 07 2018 12:27 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback. The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI? I think she's town because she's broadening discussion without stifling it. I don't see any motivation for mafia to do that.
Are you even reading the quotes I'm linking...?
On March 07 2018 12:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"?
I asked that and I asked this:
On March 07 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also do you have anything at all Tube? Arguments, defense, possible list of scum...?
Because I wanted to see what you would do. And while I agree with what others have said in that your tone has gotten better, you look like you're effectively just throwing shit at the wall trying to see if it will stick instead of actually trying.
Instead of actually searching for Mafia, it looks like you're trying to get on the same page with AMG to cater to him because he offered you a life rope. Instead of reading the quotes I linked you, you're asking me a question which I answer in said quotes where I specifically ask for feedback. Instead of not asking me the same question someone already has (n00bKing) and which I've addressed with someone else (Fecalfeast), you ask me it again.
I doubt you're actually trying and while your posts entering were tonally good, it reads to me atm like you're just trying to get anything to stick.
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On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please?
Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back.
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On March 07 2018 13:04 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 11:06 Tubesock wrote:
Why would a mafia Rsoultin try to start a wagon on Damdred? Shouldn't she be doing whatever it is she thinks that Damdred would town her for? I thought I saw you post something about her buttering him up? But that's not how I thought it went. Am I wrong?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her. Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on. + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known. Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was) idk I'm not good at this game tho On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback. The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI? I think she's town because she's broadening discussion without stifling it. I don't see any motivation for mafia to do that. Are you even reading the quotes I'm linking...? On March 07 2018 12:23 Tubesock wrote:On March 07 2018 12:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:06 Tubesock wrote:
I asked AMG for clarification about his "Mafia are chucking an AFK townie under the bus there" to see if it was a scum read on Fecalfeast or Rsoultin since they are the only ones pushing the Vivax lynch. Turns out he was just speaking generally so it's not a breadcrumb read. LOL I wasn't grasping at straws to scum AMG.
Moosy, do you have any scum reads outside of me? Like I'm pretty sure I'm an easy scumread since the majority of the thread scums me.... Also, I didn't think you were grasping at straws to scum AMG, I'm thinking you're grasping at straws to scum Fecal or anyone you can to get in with alignment with AMG who's thrown you the first life rope. To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"? I asked that and I asked this: On March 07 2018 10:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also do you have anything at all Tube? Arguments, defense, possible list of scum...? Because I wanted to see what you would do. And while I agree with what others have said in that your tone has gotten better, you look like you're effectively just throwing shit at the wall trying to see if it will stick instead of actually trying. Instead of actually searching for Mafia, it looks like you're trying to get on the same page with AMG to cater to him because he offered you a life rope. Instead of reading the quotes I linked you, you're asking me a question which I answer in said quotes where I specifically ask for feedback. Instead of not asking me the same question someone already has (n00bKing) and which I've addressed with someone else (Fecalfeast), you ask me it again. I doubt you're actually trying and while your posts entering were tonally good, it reads to me atm like you're just trying to get anything to stick. maybe I'll try to be more clear. 1. You scumread Rsoultin due to tinfoil that scumRsoultin would know that she should scum Damdred a little bit so he will townread her. Also asking for feedback. Is that correct so far? 2. I respond with "The issue I have with the metagame thing is it's so coinflippy. TownRsou would do that, and I'd accept mafiaRsou would do that. Why isn't it NAI?" Giving you feedback that I think it could be town rsoultin or mafia rsoultin. Then ask you why do you think it's not NAI since you obviously don't, I'm requesting more detail because what you posted so far wasn't enough. 3. I also say I townread Rsoultin for broadening discussion (moving it from me) without stifling it (not preventing anyone from saying their piece concerning me)". Do you have a response why mafia Rsoultin would do that? Like, she COULD but I don't think she would try enough to be effective at it. But she succeeded in getting another wagon started and moved the discussion from strategy/setup and me, to other reads on other people. Mafia Rsoultin could have made the token attempt and fizzled out easier without succeeding. 4. I don't even know how to respond to the aligning with AMG accusation. 5. You asked if I had arguments, points, or scumreads, but in the two of my posts before that I answered what I could already. I feel like I've only been defending, and I've already stated I don't have any scumreads.
I completely understand your question because it's literally the same as before just with more words. And since it's the same question my response is also the same, which is the two quotes I already gave you. I'm not quite sure what more explanation is necessary and I don't think I'm missing anything.
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On March 07 2018 13:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think tubesock is town
elaborate please
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On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first.
no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way.
On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question?
The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred.
On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often.
chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him.
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Meh. After catching up, pages 21 and 22 feel like complete filler.
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oh shit it's a wild rsoultin
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On March 07 2018 18:02 rsoultin wrote:Hi Moosy. I do have a question for you actually. Why are you waiting on Damdred? Cause obv your one vote won't kill me and can be changed. And I also don't see how his opinion fits into your world view? You seem by your narrative (sorry, but that's what it is) to believe that Damdred is both good at reading me but also that I'm playing to my town meta as scum specifically to fool him. So what information do you actually get out of his opinion?
This is a good question. The thing is, he still hasn't addressed what I've said about you so I still don't know what he thinks about it or if he's revised his thoughts on you. So who knows if his world view is actually similar to mine or not. This is also my way of baiting him to contribute more so I can also judge him more accurately since he has contributed very little. While tonally he's town for me there's not much substance to actually go off of.
This is also something I normally do in general unless I'm trolling and voting for myself. I use someone more experienced(?) I guess is the word to ping my thoughts off of.
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Meh. I'm actually leaning towards thinking I was wrong and you're town rsoultin I just hate to admit it. Suspicions are suspicions though so I'm still keeping my eye on you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share?
Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh
On March 07 2018 20:24 rsoultin wrote:
Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later.
Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.
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On March 08 2018 00:13 Vivax wrote:Moosy can you explain to me why you thought Damdred was town at that point? Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 17:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first. no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question? The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often. chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him.
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On March 08 2018 00:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 00:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 08 2018 00:13 Vivax wrote:Moosy can you explain to me why you thought Damdred was town at that point? On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? + Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 17:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first. no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question? The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often. chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him. Thanks. And you would stick to that read at this point? Cause besides you playing a fair amount of games with him and him seeming town to you, there really is no argument in the room for Damdred being town that anyone else could see except from your experienced point of view? For all I know, Damdred can still be mafia and what he's posted so far doesn't particularly sway me either way. Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:
It was more boring then I originally thought it would be, in that regard i'm slightly...disappointed. But Rsoultin is more than likely town, perhaps hard town in my mind at present. The way she read me seemed like a way she would do in town, and honestly even though I am not quite the player I was she would still like to interact with me then piling on early, also tone is pretty good and not pestering HF to get him to tilt is also a point in her favor.
Never doubt this read my friends.
Also AMG and Moosey are more than likely town in this situation. Both seem open, inquisitive and a good tone. Also Moosey I believe town read me early which I liked! (I like it when people come up with interesting reasons to townread someone as pro town ^_-, even if I could fake it as scum).
I actually don't like FF at this point so far, his tone seemed a bit off earlier and sort of like he was just trying to post to post a bit? But it was still early and its just a lean.
Tube I am not sure of, this slip I don't really buy and don't want to lynch him for that so far ehhhh. This post could come from mafia. 7 lines explaining his town reads, 3 explaining his scum reads. Easy to just get cred points by townreading people and spending as little as possible on his scumreads.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2018 18:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 18:02 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 17:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh shit it's a wild rsoultin Hi Moosy. I do have a question for you actually. Why are you waiting on Damdred? Cause obv your one vote won't kill me and can be changed. And I also don't see how his opinion fits into your world view? You seem by your narrative (sorry, but that's what it is) to believe that Damdred is both good at reading me but also that I'm playing to my town meta as scum specifically to fool him. So what information do you actually get out of his opinion? This is a good question. The thing is, he still hasn't addressed what I've said about you so I still don't know what he thinks about it or if he's revised his thoughts on you. So who knows if his world view is actually similar to mine or not. This is also my way of baiting him to contribute more so I can also judge him more accurately since he has contributed very little. While tonally he's town for me there's not much substance to actually go off of.This is also something I normally do in general unless I'm trolling and voting for myself. I use someone more experienced(?) I guess is the word to ping my thoughts off of.
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So I guess the answer is I'm still not sure but I'd like to believe he's town. But I definitely need more from him for sure.
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We actually only have 6 hours left. I've actually been up for 31 hours now so I'm going to sleep but will set an alarm so that I will hopefully wake up in 5 hours and will be around for the last hour. If I do not, I actually apologize but I have been fairly busy doing irl stuff but I've done my best in being as active as possible in game. I am leaving my vote on Tubesock in the case that I do not wake up in time. Damdred has not shown up which is disappointing as well.  See you all later
##vote: Tubesock
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holyflare, do you think darthfoley has more of a chance to flip red than tubesock?
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On March 08 2018 07:10 n00bKing wrote:Ok, I'm off. Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 06:32 n00bKing wrote:
Does anyone agree with HF's assessment of DF's play in other games?
Didn't see any backup on this, but to my eyes, the DF lynch doesn't thrill me. The push on Tubesock has been going for a long time, without much result, so I guess it's not happening today. ##UnvoteWould love to see this happen: ##Vote: KelsierSC
uhhh what? where exactly is this coming from?
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