On February 06 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote:All, I would appreciate your feedback on points below relating to rsoultin.For context, I was very impressed by
town!rsoultin in the game that just finished. She was such a strong town read, that I as scum, did not even consider getting her offside. Through Day1 to Night2, rsoultin consistently demonstrated
inclusive scum hunting;
logical town hunting;
an open-mindedness to alternate views,
joyful transparency with her gut feelings, and
willingness to put her views out in the open. In short, I think the way she approached that game is a solid town benchmark - and also simple to measure to against.
Refer to here if interested.
Putting the curiosity towards the SK aside; what I am immediately observing this game once rsoultin was called out is a significant behavioral difference compared to the above.
What is shown below is a series of posts that express passive aggression, undertones of anger, a shade of minor appeasing; and positions based on insinuation.
#1Items in blue from a glance can be interpretted as chaff relating to SK.
However, when viewed in consideration with items in red further below, I observe passive aggression and insinuation.
Note in particular, the comment about lack of dragging on conversation which implies there is relevance to all of this.
Yet prior comments in blue indicate that this is not only chaff, but indicative of a joke and not worth pursuing until Day2.
This should also be read in conjunction with Item 4, which changes the narrative yet again.
Regarding items in red.
The comment about Joni being scum for lack of humour is extremely passive aggressive. When coupled with the (in effect) rhetorical statement about open-ended, obscure question;
there is no actual effort made to discern the motives of Rayn. Rather this is subtle shit-slinging (read: verging on ad-hominem attack) that is again repeated when discussing me.
Further insinuation takes place by attempting to associate me with my prior scum game - citing creative following of thread sentiment ; yet not indicating how I am replicating that this game
Again, where is an attempt to discern my motives? This is all characteristic of how scum brush off pressure.
None of this lines up with my expectation for a town!rsoultin.
+ Show Spoiler [ITEM1 QUOTES] +On February 06 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
You know, it's funny, but unless I'm skimming too fast, there's really nothing in the thread that specifically precludes a potential serial killer...
-eyes Conversion-
On February 06 2018 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
-flicks- You're not Conversion.
On February 06 2018 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely zero idea what was the point of that.
On February 06 2018 05:56 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I'm amazed you think I have a point
On February 06 2018 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I actually did think you have a point since you told me to not get into the middle of the "conversation".
On February 06 2018 06:01 rsoultin wrote:
Did I?
On February 06 2018 06:07 Holyflare wrote:
What a pointless conversation about pointless conversations.
On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
So tempted to call you a pointless conversation right now. Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange.I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though.
On February 06 2018 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This doesn't make any sense at all. I don't see how it would be more or less "unnatural place to go" as any alignment. I asked you a very simple question (which is btw completely clear and not obscure at all) which to i predicted an "i was just joking" or what you said in case you're not.
I find it even funnier that you seem to be calling me mafia because of it, as... well... i was actually right in that you did have some kind of a point, regardless of how strong it was. I don't even care about the point (because i definitely don't agree with it on any level), i care more about the fact that you seem to be dragging the conversation, that yes - was completely pointless, for no real purpose.
In short, you're just saying stuff that has no relevance to anyone's alignment, you're jsut making shit up.
On February 06 2018 06:31 rsoultin wrote:I honestly don't care if you see it or not.
Nor was I in any way dragging on the conversation. You were unable to leave it alone
The only real question is whether or not that makes you mafia.
Mocsta jumping right on board with it isn't giving me amazing feels,
either, after his last follow the thread sentiment while inventing a 'creative' reason scum game.
#2Again, in isolation this is chaff to a degree.
However, when coupled with Item1, it does become interesting.
On one hand (item 1 blue), rsoultin sells the SK discussion as a joke and meaningless.
On the other hand (item 2), the SK discussion is now suddenly interesting.
The key for me however is insertion of "up until that point" which is indicative of a "reward me for getting people to talk" mindset. The subtle difference I expect from a town!rsoultin is that it would be rather "reward me for getting people to talk - about a purpose (read: why it is scummy)". Again, not present here.
+ Show Spoiler [Item2 Quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:29 Mocsta wrote:
As mentioned. I had no care when i saw serial killer. Its not a day1 town concern in my opinion.
On February 06 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
Mhm. And I suppose you found anything interesting in the thread up until that point?
#3I have 2 core issues here.
A - In item 1, rsoultin insinuates I give her bad feelings = slight scum lean.
However, note the comment in green. This is apologetic and appeasing and not-congruent with me being a slight scum lean.
B- In Item #1, rsoultin infers Rayn is scum read due to the red quote (town!Joni scum reads rsoultin for stupid reasons). The irony then is that either Rayn is targeting town!rsoultin for reasons that are not stupid; or, that Rayn is targeting scum.
This is further compounded due to the tell being useless - mafia will cling onto someone for stupid reasons; and now she has a publicly justified out to back off her Rayn scum read.
This whole passage boils down to: Subtle undermining of Rayn via shit-slinging in addition to giving her a path out.
Now, I am not biased: town can throw out heuristics like this to back down from reads - and obviously that is good play.
But the difference here is that no where in rsoultin filter is an obvious effort to discern players agenda.
This is a Hyundai version of a Mercedes Benz rsoultin.+ Show Spoiler [Item3 quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
[...] Though maybe more tempted to call Joni scum for lacking a sense of humor.
[...]
On February 06 2018 06:25 Mocsta wrote:
hi tina
Would you call your rayn = scum 'light' comment
Humour or passive aggression?
On February 06 2018 06:36 rsoultin wrote:
Didn't see this. And I have no clue what you're asking, because to me it sounds like you assume that I could only be joking or being passive aggressive?
[.. skip posts that could be genuine language barrier misunderstandings..]
On February 06 2018 06:49 rsoultin wrote:
Sounds like you already answered your own question, then, doesn't it? Yes, of course it's light. Joni has a tendency to scumread me for asinine reasons as town.
Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? And then adding shade on top of it? Then demanding that I answer like it's a real question? Because if there's a town reason for that, I'd love to hear it.
Item #4So predictably, rsoultin has backed down on her Rayn read - and based on nothing directly related to the pressure.
However the real meat and potatoes is with mderg.
ie. rsoultin comments that the whole conversion/HF banter could indicate a mafia.
This is certainly news to me and not consistent at all with what was commented prior in Item 1 + 2.
I expect a town!rsoultin to be relentlessly chasing this lead and working with others to illuminate it further.
Non of that is apparent.
Instead she is happy to rewarded for "stimulating talk" and then call Rayn town.
The other interesting item is how she is now shit-slinging on me via inserting that I was "bandwagoning" her.. Overreaction again, no?
+ Show Spoiler [Item#4 quotes] +On February 06 2018 06:57 rsoultin wrote:
Actually got a slight townread on Joni for wanting Damdred's opinion at this point, actually.
On February 06 2018 06:50 rsoultin wrote:
Why?
On February 06 2018 07:13 mderg wrote:
Maybe bullshitty is the wrong word but this "unnatural place for someone's mind to go" is a bit much regarding an obvious joke post
On February 06 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:
Again, why does it being an obvious joke post default to bullshit? I read the beginning of the sentence and assumed mafia would be the conclusion. It wasn't. That caught my eye more than all the other obvious jokes flying around -shrugs- I agree that it's pretty moot since it was just a passing thought that for some stupid reason has now become the focal point of the thread.
What do you think about mocsta bandwagoning on that?
@DF, so it's scummy for me to comment on it like I did but you also don't like mocsta. I don't understand.
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