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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:38 GMT
#1559
On February 09 2018 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 20:03 Mocsta wrote:
seriously, im more than happy to lynch rayn first

will benefit thread regardless.

i dont care how tunneled you are.. even DF dropped his scum read on me after the mderg wagon.
rayn on the other hand.. this play makes sense to me as scum for 2 reasons
(1) He wants to shit up town atmosphere and thinks I will bite back
(2) Senses there are some ppl that would consider my lynch (e.g. ritoky and conversion)

its quite a safe play (very similar to what i decided to do with Holyflare on day2 of previous game).

I honestly won't read any of your posts because after your rsoultin case every single thing you have scumread someone for is that you create your own narrative and make it fit to what someone posted. It's bad, and if you are not in fact mafia then you should not do it.
Im so insulted right now, you have successfully tilted me rayn.

Original Message From Sphinxx:
You are Jules Verne (FRA), a Mad Hatter.

You win with town.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:39 GMT
#1560
GG Town
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:51 GMT
#1563
On February 09 2018 20:49 Holyflare wrote:
That's kind of ruined the game in fact.
how so. it was an adaption of the EoD post?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 11:59 GMT
#1565
On February 09 2018 20:56 Conversion wrote:
Why did Mocsta just post a PM? Fake or not. Wasn’t that against the rules? Weird play..
its only against the rules if the same from the host.

Get over it

This is what brings you to thread. Pfft
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 12:02 GMT
#1569
On February 09 2018 21:00 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 20:59 Mocsta wrote:
On February 09 2018 20:56 Conversion wrote:
Why did Mocsta just post a PM? Fake or not. Wasn’t that against the rules? Weird play..
its only against the rules if the same from the host.

Get over it

This is what brings you to thread. Pfft


I just woke up you kangaroo.
good morning to you too

Apologies if in your filter but do you think one of hf and rayn MUST be acum?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 12:04 GMT
#1570
On February 09 2018 21:00 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 12:44 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:35 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:15 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:09 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:56 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:47 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:42 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:
[quote]

i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.


I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read


i understand that rsoultin kind of goaded youbinto staying pact on her, but you were really not liming mderg/prp. Can you take me through not changing and staying pact?


The entirety of D1 was me trying to get some bad habits out of my play (too much OMGUS/spammy emotional filter, hence HF’s cheeky cyborg Conversion comment) and another one was my super waffley nature when scum reading people. Waffley nature came out anyways as I got nervous about my vote as it seemed rsoultin was looking better than mderg, so I let it be transparent in the thread that I was not confident. rsoultin goaded me, I guess, but it more served a reminder that I wanted to improve my game, even by a little bit. So I stayed.


Ok, can you take me through why tina was making you feel better before her string of bad posts. I thinl you were absent when both of them decided to vote not each other?


I really disliked mderg’s response to my prodding at him then rsoultin’s. Rsoultin at one point said “ok my play before this was bad, and I will try to start new.” which I feel like I have and would do if I was town.

Mderg’s was just a passively dismissive attitude and I just really disliked it


Ok, what do you think of tina now?


I’d have to revisit her filter but I don’t remember her doing anyhig memorable? Although that’s just more me zoning out than not.

I cannot fathom a mderg + rsoultin mafia team playing that horribly before EoD, but I guess it is not impossible


Ok heres whatbim gwtting at.

You start with a hard enough scum read on tina to want to lynch her, she then wants ti start over which is enough to get you to move your read and just narrow to prp/mderg, rsoultin convinces you to stay on her by calling out your waffles.

You then during the night call tina town, amd have scum between me/rayn/prp, and now dont have an opinion of her but keeping the option open with the last sentence here for a scum read.

So I know you say youve zoned out especially over being angry. But can you explain it to me what im not seeing or misunderstanding because it seems strange?


I don’t see me being unclear. A rsoultin + mderg team would mean that mafia played that EoD horribly, which is why I am less incluned to believe that she is mafia. However, that’s under the assumption that mafia is playing ideally. I know for sure that would have bitten me in the ass when you bussed your partner with Zen had you not gotten mod killed— which is why I am leaving this option as a possibility.

You of all people should know that I tend to keep possibilities open whether they make sense or not. In our coached thread I considered tens of options and doubted myself even though I might have been on the right track and kept questioning what was right or not.
shut.. thats a good point about bussing

In last game. I think it was damdred talking about himself. Anyways said that as scum he LOVES to bus.
So mderf vote would line up well.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 12:09 GMT
#1572
Im ok with your slot.
In retrospect of trfel analysis and reading eod1 again. I think your uncertainty to vote mderg is fine.

I cant remember anything disinfo has done since night1 which isnt a good thing.
Gonna focus there tomorrow.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 12:12 GMT
#1573
I know its subjective. But if df is scum. Hes really changed it up over 2 games in 3 weeks.

Like hes pocketed me not by being nice or agreeing with me. But treating me like absolute shit lol

I really cant see him doing that as scum. At least not over other potentials.

Perhaps rels slot is the best option then.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 14:31 GMT
#1594
On February 07 2018 08:43 darthfoley wrote:
I've played like 3-4 games in a row where I have had significant pressure on D1 and it's annoying and frustrating, especially when the accusations are false or lazy as hell. So yea, i'm gonna be salty and I don't really want lectures from people who flame the fuck out of other players acting high and mighty about it.

People accusing me of being a sideliner somehow should take a look at mderg's filter to grasp the meaning of a sideliner.
i just dont see df bussing here.. so many other names he could have used
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 14:38 GMT
#1595
Koshi

I get why df is annoying and irritating and has at times shown both excellent and very poor logic. But i still dont know why that makes him scummy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/529865-newbie-student-mafia-xxviii?user=darthfoley&view=all

Reading the THREE pages again. The vibe is so different. Just read it please.
Check out when he describes why i am scum with his TMI

This game. His interactions with mderg show progression and not a deep insight into motive. Rather finding holes in logic. This is very indicative of town.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/530739-vendée-globe-16-mafia?user=darthfoley&view=all


Gonna stop posting about him now.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 14:42 GMT
#1596
This was that damdred bus quote from the newbie

On January 18 2018 22:02 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
On January 18 2018 21:44 Damdred wrote:
On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:
On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Hello!

Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead.


On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:
On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades

On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character....

Fear not, for I... am a comrade!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much?

Because I can,
Because I want to,
Because I desire to...

@DarthFoley: Why do you ask?

On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:
On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction?

I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already.

Wise words Kmatt.
I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +
Beverly Hills Cop reference.

For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.

However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.

Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more.

On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective.

Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about.
On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:
On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:
On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh

not interested in why my vote is cast that direction?


Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already.


So many itches.

A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.

Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.

Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present)

Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper.

Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@

I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious.


QQ phone posting is hard


Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense.

But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy

Lol, as and you shall be given.

I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.

If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.

If that makes sense.



But would DF of thought he would of drawn that much attention to Moc? I don't think so necessarily, its a weak entry for DF in any game, he has little follow through (as he really hasn't posted) so its a bit weak anyway.

But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway.

As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today.

If you rolled mafia, are you going to instantly bash your teammate who already is going to get people looking at them in the manner Darthfoley did?

If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.

Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating.


Im an evil person who busses just for lolz and credit when I shouldn't, So yeah I would bash a team mate for lolz like Df did.

But we will see I suppose as long as we can work together and lynch one of them today.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 15:06 GMT
#1599
Hmmmm

I just skimmed through rayn last 3 scum games in database.

Im not feeling him as a good lynch option.

I have a feeling me and him scum/town objectives have similar goals. I think thr key to discerning may be the (unpredictable) aggression as town.

....
Like im quite confused now.
Conversion had on reflection good content day1
Df has what is to me natural progressiom with mderg
Rayn as per above
Prplhz as scum actually posts A LOT more in general

Ritoky is not on table due to heuristic about early vote.. i want to see him contribute more instead od just taking dumps on me.

Damdred..hf has good points to lynch and odd interactions with mderg before wagon take off.

Hf reminds me of last game but a touch more subdued. Could just be irl busy

Rsoultin. Nothing has registered at all since second half of day1.

Meh. Had to get this out so i can sleep
Sorry for clogging thread.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 15:33 GMT
#1605
Hes refereing to my take on damdred list post.

Reasonable is subjective

Im not sure how yoy have missed this since rayn shit up an entire page about it
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 15:36 GMT
#1606
Disinfo

Did rsoultin progression from mderg to prplhz feel natural?

Like... she votes prplhz after a few ppl expressed interest.

But a free pages before that..IIRC she is saying mderg is lynchworthy.

Is there anything indicating thag read dropping to null and then mdeef = town???
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 22:08 GMT
#1638
DF. why havent you voted?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 22:09 GMT
#1639
Day Two Vote Count


Damdred (5): Holyflare, Mocsta, Koshi, rsoultin, disinformation
Mosta (1): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (7): Damdred, ritoky, darthfoley, Conversion, prplhz,

[b][blue]Damdred is currently the designated lynch.

i also thought conversion would have laid a vote by now too.[/QUOTE]
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 09 2018 23:14 GMT
#1641
rsoultin, can you summarise in one post where you are at.

all i can see is 13 pages of "yes he is scum".. "o sorry i was skimming"
A couple events by itself dont make you scummy; yet here we are on Day2, you dont have pressure, and there is no change in output.

if you truly are pressed for time, there is much analysis this cycle, of which your feedback is appreciated.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 10 2018 00:17 GMT
#1677
Im going to sheep Rayn.
Rechecked the past 24hrs and agree - damdred is town.

Voting rsoultin cos she says she is busy, but keeps popping in to add nothing.

##Unvote, ##Vote: rsoultin
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 10 2018 00:19 GMT
#1679
On February 10 2018 09:03 ritoky wrote:
i get why mocsta is probably town...the vote logic, the anger, the effort. i get it.

but idk the fake pm, the bolding slip, the hours of research on inconsequential points, the lack of stupid townie thoughts, the vacillating. it just wears you down.
thank you ritoky. I do appreciate that, in particular from you.

You probably didnt mean it how it came across, but I shall take it as written in stone.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 10 2018 00:20 GMT
#1681
On February 10 2018 09:04 Koshi wrote:
Damdred is mafia.
recheck how the day progressed.
im not so certain.
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