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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 06 2018 03:34 GMT
#19
This time for real

/in
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 18 2018 01:17 GMT
#73
Phew, I had excellent timing to suddenly remember that we were having this.

Haaaaay thread
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 18 2018 02:26 GMT
#76
I remember voting prplhz back in the good ol' days. How do you even read that name? Purple-hizz?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 18 2018 03:49 GMT
#79
On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh

not interested in why my vote is cast that direction?


Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 19 2018 16:50 GMT
#326
Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier. While I'm in no place to call out AFK what with my new "don't lead a mislynch wagon d1" strat, the fact that he was being townread, then asked someone (Rels' doubt of BTDT, for what it's worth) a question, and bailed feels wrong to me. Being thread is a perfect reason to talk more. Rels even comes back with a substantial answer. Seems pretty scummy to take your towncred and run with it like that.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 19 2018 16:51 GMT
#327
Also I don't see myself voting Damdred today unless he does something seriously incriminating. The way things are headed I'd be okay with a BTDT wagon.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 19 2018 18:48 GMT
#331
On January 20 2018 03:09 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 01:50 Kmatt wrote:
Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier. While I'm in no place to call out AFK what with my new "don't lead a mislynch wagon d1" strat, the fact that he was being townread, then asked someone (Rels' doubt of BTDT, for what it's worth) a question, and bailed feels wrong to me. Being thread is a perfect reason to talk more. Rels even comes back with a substantial answer. Seems pretty scummy to take your towncred and run with it like that.

I answered his question long after he asked it, like 20 hours after, so I don't think this in particular means much.


That so? I was one phone at the time so I couldn't compare them side-by side.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 20 2018 16:16 GMT
#588
^Sheeping this guy for the picture alone
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 21 2018 16:26 GMT
#660
On January 21 2018 18:54 rsoultin wrote:
I'm still leary of kmatt's behavior when he was in thread the final 24 hours of day 1 more than once, and also posted night 1, but for some reason didn't vote despite saying he thought damdred was town. There's just less incentive for scum to behave that way if darthfoley is scum, I think. With the caveat that the lynch never really shaped up into a darthfoley lynch, of course, which is why he's still in my scum pile.

I was going to say that btdt and mocsta are probably just town for this but then I waffled. In part because darth foley's scum call-out when he returned to the thread would then be all townies which is possible but...idk I feel like usually there's a scum in there.

If btdt is scum, then darth foley focusing on mocsta and pushing that pretty hard while more or less ignoring Damdred and failing to take a stance there seems odd. It's a buss on btdt that doesn't get him any credit if btdt flips because he never really pushed it. Then again, it could have been an early scum v. scum callout that he then felt he couldn't back out of but didn't want to push. I just find it weird he doesn't then angle for 'finding' Damdred scum when he had no strong position on him anyway.

If mocsta is scum, darth foley isn't playing a very good scum game. He's bussing a scummate pretty hard while two townies are up for lynch, and then himself. No, mocsta is unlikely to become the lynch, but it's not ideal for his own survival and there's not much town cred you can get from that later if mocsta flips scum. Since playing poorly is not outside the realm of possibility, though, that line of thinking gets me nowhere.

All three being scum also seems unlikely.

I think I'd rather not lynch btdt and mocsta today. Mocsta cause tonally I still find him townish, btdt because Day 1 seems weird if he's scum with darth foley and I keep hoping he'll give us more to go on.


I didn't realize that I never checked the deadline time until about an hour after I missed it. I've been super absent though. I always find myself busier than I expect when I join these things. I should have time for a nice long sit-down-and read today as opposed to skimming on my phone.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 22 2018 14:42 GMT
#680
I can get behind that. Making sure to vote nice and early today.

#vote prplhz
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 22 2018 23:42 GMT
#698
On January 23 2018 08:37 prplhz wrote:
killed scum df on n1 in my last game because i think he is good so i didn't want to kill him d1 this game


But did you have a specific reason to believe he is town? Being "good" is all the more reason to lynch him if we think he's mafia.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 06:00 GMT
#828
As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.

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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 06:06 GMT
#829
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 06:10 GMT
#830
Actually looking back over filters, Twat went full AFK, even moreso than me. I'll hold on to my vote to see how JAT looks today. If nothing else I'll ice BTDT.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 17:36 GMT
#955
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 18:45 GMT
#958
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 19:26 GMT
#962
On January 25 2018 04:19 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.

At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia.


This is all under the assumption that he's a dead man walking regardless of what happens today. If you all want to call the bluff I can't stop you.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 19:34 GMT
#964
Personally an uncontested cop claim warrants reconsideration, but I seem to be alone in that regard.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 24 2018 19:34 GMT
#965
*Personally I think...
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 25 2018 23:25 GMT
#1037
wow rude

My vote's irrelevant here so let's see who gets to act smug in 6 mins.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 25 2018 23:33 GMT
#1038
Never mind I can't read.

Do get those reads out when you can.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:01 GMT
#1043
Well alright I'll eat my words.

@rels any particular reason you're gunning for him over me?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:02 GMT
#1044
never mind lol
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:06 GMT
#1047
Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:13 GMT
#1051
Could you link me the game where town ignores cop's check? That takes a special kind of stupid.

I'm not above voting him though, he's been on my list anyway. In fact I don't think he's ever not someone I want to lynch.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:17 GMT
#1055
On January 26 2018 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:08 Rels wrote:
On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon.

What do you mean ? HF started the day believing Damerion's claim. Then nothing happened apart from me and JAT voting Damerion, and then after the votes started to pile up he decided to vote him. It's definitely not a quick bus.


what?

he got counter claimed and I voted for him and then he didn't actually post any reads


when was this?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:17 GMT
#1057
On January 26 2018 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon.


Can you actually elaborate on who you want to lynch? So far all I've got is:

Twat/JAT: For being towny and then afking.
Mocsta: For saying a lot of words and then doing nothing.
Me: ????????

So any kind of elaboration and whys would be great.


Why do you even care about my reads? I'm Damerion's godfather partner, remember?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:24 GMT
#1060
I'll have fresh reads out before night ends then.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:27 GMT
#1061
What confuses me here is that your posts up until now were that

A) Damerion is scum
B) I'm buddying him, and therefore also scum

Then Damerion flips red, you get perfect validation of your theory, yet somehow I'm less than 100% scum despite nothing happening to change the above interpretation. The only reason Rels doesn't have me as scum is because he specifically targets you.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:55 GMT
#1064
No I just can't buy this.

On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?


I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back.

Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:56 GMT
#1065
On January 26 2018 09:06 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +

I understand that Holyflare is one of the best player on this website. I understand that his play cannot be compared directly to someone like Kmatt, as way more is expected from town!Holyflare. I understand that he was red checked as scum once and he managed to get the cop lynched, then survive another lynch to win. I will lynch him tomorrow.

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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 00:58 GMT
#1066
The previously referenced case on me:
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On January 25 2018 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 08:21 Rels wrote:
On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.

The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie.


No, they are really quite the opposite. Pull your head out of your arse and actually read the content he is writing that has to do with roles that nobody has talked about and shows he's thinking in a mafia way that nobody would think about (yes, Mocsta just posted about this later but that's far far later than this immediate response):


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On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote:
As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.



Look at the certainty by "Yes, a Godfather is on the table" and the way he thinks about claiming rbs from people that are dead.

Then also look at how he goes about throwing suspicion. 90% of his post is dedicated to wifom about roles and what mafia would do and literally one sentence is dedicated to the person who he actually scum reads but it has NO information whatsoever about that slot!

Show nested quote +

Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier.


The person he wants to lynch the most is because of this reason + the continued afking. Nothing more. He wants to lynch a slot that he townread.

THEN don't even get me started on how many times he's defended damerion trying to get us to wagon someone else AND also draw out a blue today.

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On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.


Let's just look at that last sentence too:

MAYBE HF.

But nothing has changed with me today so why is my name there? It's literally because people are throwing my name around and making me a viable lynch. This is what he's had to say about me the entire game:

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On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.


^ TODAY

Mocsta is null, lot of words no content.
BTDT is suspicious and he questions the RB.
JAT has replaced twat who he is randomly suspicious of but that name doesn't appear.
My name does.

Why?

There is no congruence throughout his filter. He appears at random points in the thread to drop a comment here and there with irrelevance and the most active he's been in this game is to defend damerion. He also hipster defended damdred for 0 reasons whatsoever too.

Plz lynch after today.

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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 20:35 GMT
#1273
On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks


Yeah, we already have one Holyflare.

Give me a sec to go back and reply to 5+ posts
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 20:42 GMT
#1274
On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone:


Because Town!Holyflare was winning this game on cruise control. You, on the other hand, took the nonsensical logical twist of:

Damerion is scum and Kmatt is scum as well
>Damerion flips scum
Therefore, Kmatt must not be scum

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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 26 2018 21:07 GMT
#1279
On January 27 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 05:42 Kmatt wrote:
On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone:


Because Town!Holyflare was winning this game on cruise control. You, on the other hand, took the nonsensical logical twist of:

Damerion is scum and Kmatt is scum as well
>Damerion flips scum
Therefore, Kmatt must not be scum



If you are town how am I winning the town on cruise control?


Because town!Holyflare doesn't know anyone else's alignment. You named no other scumreads that I can recall save for damerion and myself. You just lynched one of those.

On January 27 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
I also never called you not mafia


On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?


Why is that post even on the table then? Was there some lapse of townreading going on or are we both delusional?
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Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 27 2018 16:09 GMT
#1389
I love how every time I come back here I find some variant of "kmatt disappeared out of nowhere wtf". I'm pretty sure "United States" appears next to my name. Lrn2hemisphere

Anyway as for the current gamestate.

JaT: Town. Twat was mostly a townread until I started suspecting him towards the end of D1/D2, but JaT has filled the shoes nicely. Also for noticing the BTDT roleblock thing. Only a mafia player managing a 5D chessboard would have thought to fake that so far in advance.

BTDT: Town by power of claim

Mderg: Not a ton of impact but nothing scummy. A lot of the claims he threw out, especially early seemed a little too bold for typical mafia. Not sure if that's his meta or whatever but I can townread him easily enough.

Rels: A bit of buddying, and definitely goes against the grain by believing in me, but I see it as towny tunneling on HF. If he believes HF is scum then he has to be able to excuse me. Mafia!Rels would be just as happy to have the easy lynch (Me) to be next in line if he knew HF was going to flip green.

Holyflare: still want to lynch him

mcosta: Don't have a hard read on this guy, but while looking over the filter I'll take this minute to claim that there was no ulterior motive to not voting D1. I had been in the thread earlier, hadn't made up my mind on voting, went out to do something that night an checked in on the thread realizing that I didn't actually know when the deadline was.
Also I don't know what his shtick is with the BTDT not-being-confirmed business.
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