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On January 21 2018 19:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote:On January 21 2018 19:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote:Taking a look at the votes:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at:
Day One Final Vote Count
Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you.
I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at.
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On January 21 2018 20:47 Mocsta wrote:
2 scum within: damerion, HF, mderg, prplhz
If damdred is the player everyone says he is, its quite the mastermind effort to facillitate a lynch him day1.
This points to HF for me by default.
This looks like a reasonable assessment of the situation. I don't think it's a mastermind effort to lynch Damdred day1, though. It's probably the easiest point of the game to get him lynched and he didn't radiate town as much as he could have done.
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I think I'll just sheep rsoultin here
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My head tells me it has to be Damerion and hf but my gut tells me it can't be that simple.
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On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it  + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting  Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative.
He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile.
The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me.
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On January 23 2018 21:58 rsoultin wrote:
Actually...even though I felt he was organic before, it is odd that twatty apparently had mocsta and darth foley as scum, but not together, but instead interacts with pretty much everyone but them. Even Damdred. Who he votes as a 'placeholder' until his scumreads talk more?
What bugs me most about his vote is that Damdred had both df and Mocsta as scum. Why would he vote someone who has a scumread on both of them?
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On January 23 2018 23:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2018 22:48 mderg wrote:On January 23 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:25 Damdred wrote:On January 18 2018 21:20 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Hello! Mcosta Rico obviously has a post a bunch of unnecessary fluff. I don't like this. It feels he is trying to inject and clog up the discussion early on, so that later near the vote we don't have a solid lead. On January 18 2018 13:42 Mocsta wrote:On January 18 2018 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
hello comrades On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
who is this mocsta character.... Fear not, for I... am a comrade! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On January 18 2018 12:58 darthfoley wrote:
... and why is he speaking so much? Because I can, Because I want to, Because I desire to... @DarthFoley: Why do you ask?On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. Wise words Kmatt. I want to start calling DarthFoley, AxelFoley... get it + Show Spoiler +Beverly Hills Cop reference. For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal. However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico. Both above feel like mafia in their agenda. But I doubt they are together since it wouldn't make sense for Darthfoley as his team mate to do that. For now both are in my suspect pile until the game develops more. On the oppersite end, Mderg feels the most town. His posts are interacting with the discussion going on and feels like it's coming from a town perspective. Rusissan Rsoultin itch post doesn't get her town in my eyes, as the way she worded it allows her to back track more easily and generally feels like she is not committing to a read. The one's I bolded are the ones Im talking about. On January 18 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2018 12:49 Kmatt wrote:On January 18 2018 11:31 Mocsta wrote:
not a jimmy hendrix fan i gather?
purple haze bruh
not interested in why my vote is cast that direction? Nope, missed that reference entirely. I didn't think much of the vote unless you're on some 4d-chess game and know him to be scum already. So many itches. A holyflare who says hi and scrams when he's at the centre of attention. Though it is late and joke votes obvious, still an itch.Rels hi itchy for similar reasons but less itchy when not center of attention.Darthfoley passive aggression at someone eager to participate ??? (In retrospect this bugs me most at present) Prplhz just needs to be swatted with a newspaper. Mild itchiness with an eager Damdred not being around for game start, but then, it's Damdred; he could have fallen down a set of stairs @.@I hate phone posting Lazy rsoul should just get on her pc. And yes, itchiness is like a mild form of scummy in case that's not clear. Maybe more accurate to put it as it rubs me wrong and makes me suspicious. QQ phone posting is hard Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet). Also the comments could be distancing obviously so it does make moderate sense. But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy Lol, as and you shall be given. I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it. If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way. If that makes sense. such perfect and sure reads 10 minutes into the game. And he sure love talking about DF. Lol I think he's in love with DF. Basically every single post of his talks about DF. Such attraction. + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2018 21:19 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
For example, even for the early stages of the game this post hit me as him prioritizing being fambyont then asking his question to Darthfoley. As town, this doesn't make much sense as it is counter productive to town''s goal.
However, I agree with others that Darthfoley entrance and comment about Mcosta Rico felt forced. The tone and way he wrote it felt like he was primarily trying to throw shade onto Mcosta Rico.
On January 18 2018 21:26 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Also you don't think Darthfoley and Mcosta Rico are together right? If so, why? On January 18 2018 21:31 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
I didn't consider the idea of distancing each other. But it still doesn't make sense in my head for Darthfoley to put himself into a spot that early on where now he and his teammate MCosta Rico are going to be the top scum on anybody list. Due to Mcosta Rico posting style, Darthfoley should have known that would of have already drawn a bunch of attention to his teammate. Therefore, if no actual progress is made by Mcosta Rico to get into a better spot, Darthfoley has to vote Mcosta Rico, or look very suspious for changing his read since he is clearly thinking Mcosta Rico is scummy for it.
If Mcosta Rico does improve, than attention will be shifted to Darthfoley, making it he'll for the team either way.
If that makes sense.
On January 18 2018 21:56 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
If Darthfoley was scum with Mcosta Rico, then I would expect him to have presented his "suspections" more strongly since he knows it to be true.
Maybe I am over estimating. Maybe you are under estimating. On January 18 2018 22:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Is meta that thing where people based early reads on a player's past games?
Anyways,
Bold doesn't make since sense everyone who thinks Darthfoley is scum is doing the same.
Can you explain the word usage point more in detail with examples? On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.
I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing. What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley? Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them? On January 18 2018 22:44 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
Plus here he looks like he is squirming in the read section. When I pressured him about his DarthFoley + Mcosta Rico team read, he just eventually submitted to me and focused on allying me. On January 18 2018 23:04 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
What do you think of Darthfoley post though? I get the want to have more info on it, but that doesn't rub you as mafia to you?
What about his focus on defending himself. Do you think he is just pressured town? On January 19 2018 01:01 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
So if you don't like the Damdred or Mcosta Rico vote. Then who you want? Holyflare? Darthfoley? On January 19 2018 02:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
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As for my read on Darthfoley, I think he is null one post does a case not make unless he claimed scum.
I do not like Mocsta posts, however I do not think his ramblings are alignment indicative. So pressure him fine but I do not see it, strange yes but nothing beyond that. I was worried about him only seeming to have a read on damdred. But it seems strange for him if he is mafia to exclude the other two prime vote targets at the time from his pool. He also didn't seem worried to frabicate a read or what not on them. Bear in mind this is before the damdred votes piled so it would be a major gamble from him to make it impossible to chase Mcosta Rico and Darthfoley based off current suspecious of them. I felt he was town before, but I think this seals it. Thoughts? Might be partner indicative. He mentions Mocsta nearly as much as df tbh. Lots of his posts that mention df are in relation to Damdred having df and Mocsta in his scum pile. The amount of focus he puts on the df and Mocsta scumreads from Damdred is much more unsettling to me. i read iy differently. Rather he thought one of dafth and mocsta is scum. But wasnt sure which. Its the convo bits with damdred that made me think he was tunneled lol. Wjat do you find unsettling?
It's the way he can't see a world where you and df are scum together and distancing yourselves from each other. It feels like half his posts are about that but he doesn't even think twice about Damdred bussing you or df. It doesn't really feel natural.
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I don't like the cop claim. Damerion was the prime lynch target and I don't think the checks provide useful information.
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On January 24 2018 20:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:59 mderg wrote:
I don't like the cop claim. Damerion was the prime lynch target and I don't think the checks provide useful information. that made me chuckle
Why?
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On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
The claim had at least a part in those votes
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On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.
That's a decent point. While I could see a reason to not fake a red check, I probably would fake one.
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On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting.
At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia.
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On January 25 2018 04:26 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 04:19 mderg wrote:On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote:
lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting. At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia. This is all under the assumption that he's a dead man walking regardless of what happens today. If you all want to call the bluff I can't stop you.
Of course things change, if there's some vote changes. I can' really see that happening, though.
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Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know.
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On January 25 2018 05:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 04:41 mderg wrote:
Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know. Yes, his reads. What were those again?
Talking about this
+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2018 23:18 Damerion wrote:
I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim.
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I can definitely see Hf's points
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On January 26 2018 00:58 Rels wrote:nothing that makes Kmatt particulary scum. Especially compared to Damerion's Damdred read + claim or HF's badness + cop softness during the night.
imo kmatts play is more likely to come from scum than from town. That doesn't necessarily mean that he is scum, though. I can imagine the role wifom coming from a uncertain town player.
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On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
My suggestion is the following: lynch Holyflare. Should he flip town, let's lynch whoever he scumread. not a good idea Game is potentially lylo with a mislynch next cycle Just because a town holyflare scum reads someone. Doesnt mean they are scum Frankly i prefer kmatt as a lynch to holyflare I believe all people present feom day1 to now care too much to be scum. Hf is in this group... being wrong doesnt mean being scummy. Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play Further. I havent been convinced that the stuff hf and me picked out aboit kmatt is non scummy
That's flawed reasoning. Especially Hf is very capable of being active as scum even when the game is very slow.
From day1 on almost everything Hf has done was blatantly anti town. pushing damdred, soft defending df, hard defending damerion, pushing prplhz(which was understandable, though). Then he softed a blue findand he only really stopped hard defending Damerion when it was clear he was gonna be lynched.
Also the interactions between him and Damerion have been strange from the beginning of the game with how much he trusted him. The nightkills also were on people who were at least suspicious of him.
I could buy most of those things on their own. But all of those together? That would be a very strange coincidence. Even considering that kmatt is looking pretty scummy I want to lynch Hf over him.
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Skimmed through the last 10 pages. Am I correct in thinking that hf's defense icomes down to "If I was mafia, I would do things differently"?
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On January 27 2018 05:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 04:43 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 04:39 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 04:26 justanothertownie wrote:On January 27 2018 04:20 Holyflare wrote:On January 27 2018 03:17 Rels wrote:On January 27 2018 03:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
whoa Rels calm your tits, keep the caps to yourself and don't spam question marks If that makes you feel better, I was much more angry before, then I edited these posts before posting so that my point is crystal clear. I think the problem is that you ignored the first D3 post of Kmatt, in which: - he talks about a GF - he scumread you So that makes your whole theory fall apart. Which adds to the whole world theory that kmatt is mafia because he can't even be consistent with his reads through one cycle. It is entirely consistent. Not really. He says that btdt is sketchy but then lists out "potential remaining town" and says mocsta is also sketchy but then says that he'll let him pass because of the cop check. It's just choosing names and seeing what sticks. Why does he not let btdt slide for being rbd AND cop checked? Now that the cop is dead he didn't revisit any of those reads. In fact he didn't even mention them again because he is jumping on the opportunity to follow sentiment and go for me. 'cause he scumread BTDT previously + he had this theory on how he would fakeclaim a roleblock if he was scum. They're not great posts but they're not scummy. No. He also scum reads mocsta. It's literally in his posts. "Mocsta has posted a lot of empty words and doesn't seem towny but the cop check so he's town". It's totally arbitrary giving of alignments. Either way now that the cop isn't a cop and is dead both of them should be his scum reads totally. If he truly scum read btdt (and mocsta) why isn't he reinvigorated after this? Instead he jumps on my post where I ask him for reads in the most weird way possible. Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:No I just can't buy this. On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know? I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back. Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut. Read this. Absorb it. How on earth does this game make sense in that way? If he is town why has town Holyflare got this game served up on a silver platter? This is backwards thinking in totality. He has gone: "Holyflare scum reads me. Lynching me as town would be bad. Oh he's backing off and asking for my reads now. Wtf that's so scummy, he could have won if he just lynched me???"
I'd argue that scum puts a lot more effort into making sure their reasoning looks consistent than town
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