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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 00:50 GMT
#1459
Not really, I care about rels' alignment more than anything.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 01:18 GMT
#1461
Because I simply do not have a strong scum read that I want to lynch other than Kmatt and even then I'm not perfectly sure that he's mafia because he could just be a really afk looking towny. I'm TRYING to get people to talk about who they'd want to lynch because that's the VERY REAL reality that will happen after this cycle. Instead of wasting time twiddling thumbs I'm trying to get people to actively engage and get their reasoning for who they'd lynch next into the thread so that when push comes to shove they actually have to commit to something and have more words in the thread.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 01:46 GMT
#1473
On January 28 2018 10:23 beentheredonethat wrote:
Like, you basically say "Hey, I have not tried to mislynch someone, instead I'm just talking to people, so don't lynch me." I'm not a big fan of circlejerking around your lynch because if you flip town, it'll really suck. But then again - rsoultin and Kelsier had you as scum early on and both are dead. + Show Spoiler [here] +
On January 19 2018 07:17 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
I will try to organise my thoughts in a concise why.

Main issue is the damdred discussion. The impression I get is that damerion has a meta read that he is very proud of but in those situations you have to be careful not to get too excited and see the read everywhere. I think this may be the case, especially with how early he came out with it. I believe damerion mentioned damdred going on df with "ferocity". That's where he lost if for me. I didn't see damdred being ferocious at all. In fact I didn't feel he was really pushing a scum read that hard.

I don't know where I have damdred, he has done things I like and things I don't like. For damerion...Is he misguided overeager town or scum...probably over eager town.


I think Twaty and rsoultin are both town. I've agreed with most everything that Tina has said and I knew she would like costa. They both post in similair style. Costa's enthusiasm is enough for a tone read pass D1.

my scummy reads come from people who agree on the damdred wagon when they should probably know better. I think hf questioning damdred on his df and costa both being scum was bad. To me that was a guy giving two people who in his opinion have made questionable posts. Not considering partners at that stage. Rels is similar as a guy who has popped up with some one liners and then latched onto this damdred read.

I don't like Mderg I think his disappointment at the thread felt fake and his 10 page hf point was not my experience of hf at all. In general I have disagreed with almost everything he said apart from his agreement that damerion is just too aggro. So I could see Mderg knowing both damdred and damerion are town and trying to get some credit later...maybe im just biased with that .

Right now i'd lynch HF, rels, Mderg and prplhz because his 2 day afk is just bullshit.

I like kmatt but just because his 4d chess comment was really funny.

Sorry this turned into a ramble.


God I spoke too soon. ♡! I just want to townread you forever for the awful reason of being in my headspace, even on things I haven't commented on. Or not so awful reason.

Do I finally get a game with an active town ksc again?



You also were on the Damdred wagon D1 with Damerion early on, which makes it perfectly possible that you guys decided to roleblock me. You could've hammered me. Hm, I think that's actually a super weak argument.

D3:

prplhz (4): Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt, Holyflare
Damerion (3): Rels, rsoultin, mderg

So you're voting prplhz instead of Damerion claiming prphlz is the "scum vig" and it's 100% sure and so on

Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'll lynch Damerion tomorrow after we get rid of the mafia vig today ok?

Show nested quote +
On January 23 2018 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
His complete lack of seeming availability? I'm not saying he's not mafia I'm just saying prplhz is definitely mafia whereas Damerion has a sliver of hope. So I'd rather get the definitive mafia out of the way.



Aaaand Tina lol

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On January 23 2018 19:02 rsoultin wrote:
On January 23 2018 18:16 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like I'm mafia this game.


Lol >< the only thing I have going for you is a weak tonal read based on...nothing much more than gut.

Assuming I'm right on Damerion, I don't even know where to begin on a third scum. The game is so dead. My head says you.

I really need town to start posting and solving :/ I think we have one more free mislynch before being wrong becomes a scum win?





I never said this and will never say it. I'm telling you to lynch me and ignore me but talk about other people.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 01:50 GMT
#1475
On January 28 2018 10:33 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
to answer on the actual matter:
I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too.
I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did.


So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later.

Mostly.
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree.

You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game.
You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be.


This is quite factually incorrect. You are the one that keeps harping on about the game where I dodged a red check as mafia and that game is the one where I yell and kick and scream down to the last wire trying to switch the lynch onto someone else. I have also never once said to switch the vote off me and implore people not to switch votes. You will be exposed as time goes by, no worries about that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 01:52 GMT
#1476
You keep referencing me discrediting you but all you have done for the past 4 pages of your filter is discredit me rels. It doesn't matter if you THINK I'm mafia, I'm NOT mafia. So, instead of doing what you're doing and sniping non-stop and shit posting how about talking with me like a rational adult and talking about Kmatt, Mocsta, btdt, Jat, Mderg.

You WILL be wrong so there's absolutely nothing wrong with going through the points on them and discussing them. Everything you've mentioned on them is weak and you WILL have to look at them next cycle in more depth so you may as well do it now when I'm alive and can pick your points apart. What you've posted so far is unbelievably weak.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 01:58 GMT
#1478
On January 28 2018 10:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 10:33 Rels wrote:
On January 28 2018 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
to answer on the actual matter:
I disagree on Mocsta. If you look at DF's filter, his main subject of discussion was Mocsta. He attacked Mocsta multiple times, and that was the initial reason I, then rsoultin, got suspicious of DF. It's not only the image post, it's all the other ones too.
I agree on mderg that his DF read wasn't strong, especially compared to his reads on you or Damerion. Doesn't change my point about him calling seeing the game as I see it before I did.


So I just want to make sure. The only reason you town read mocsta is because of DF mainly. Also because he posted one picture on myself and DF but he had absolutely no follow up to either of it. I just want to make that absolutely clear for later.

Mostly.
On January 28 2018 09:45 Holyflare wrote:
Notice how I've not once tried to shift the lynch elsewhere, not once tried to paint anyone in an ultimately scummy light to direct the lynch to them. The only thing I'm doing is asking questions and trying to point things out. If that's a scummy objective to leave a legacy then so be it. Just realise that you're shitting up the wrong tree.

You acting like that is exactly how you would act ask scum - not try to yell for your survival, but posting a lot and being sincere about you being lynched and debating a lot, and hoping the lynch will go away. Exactly like in the Himalaya game, where I think you voted yourself and said something like "OK the right play is to lynch me because I'm red checked. Let's talk about the day after I'm lynched". And you ended up surviving and winning the game.
You could do it as town too so it doesn't make you scum either - but don't act like it makes you town. If you wanna leave your legacy, be my guest. But TBH you look like you do care about you being lynched. Doesn't feel like you're just leaving legacy like you're pretending to be.


This is quite factually incorrect. You are the one that keeps harping on about the game where I dodged a red check as mafia and that game is the one where I yell and kick and scream down to the last wire trying to switch the lynch onto someone else. I have also never once said to switch the vote off me and implore people not to switch votes. You will be exposed as time goes by, no worries about that.


I am just going to pre-emptively say that rels is going to waste his time going to this game and disproving it as if it means something and it's a colossal waste of time because you SHOULD be lynching me and also SHOULD be talking about other people.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 02:25 GMT
#1483
On January 28 2018 10:58 Rels wrote:
stop throwing potshots at me and I'll stop "discrediting you" when I respond to them. If you ask me a question I will answer it. Let's end it here otherwise


I have asked you multiple times to re-evaluate people and your reasoning for them being town or mafia which you have not done. You even stated multiple times since the cop flip that what Kmatt did was towny and ballsy and not something mafia does. So, why when I flip town is he your next lynch when your reasoning for everyone else being town is so much weaker? They meekly pushed df and myself and Damerion whereas he has tangible things you've commented on that shows a towny mindset to you but you value the meek pushes over that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 03:04 GMT
#1485
So, why on earth are you not questioning Kmatt? You say he is a low impact player that wouldn't be capable of doing an all in play on saving his partner Damerion yet here we are in 24 hours with you having to renege that read. Why is it that he can't be capable of that but yet he's still mafia? What specifically would make him mafia? Poe isn't a good answer.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 03:04 GMT
#1486
yet here we will be*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 03:18 GMT
#1489
I have questioned him multiple times and he evaded it and afkd again. This isn't a pointless debate. I'm telling you I am going to flip town and you are going to have to reevaluate your town reads. Now, it's not set in stone that you are town either because of everything you've done today which is pointless sniping from the sidelines so you have to explain in a world where Holyflare is town why is Kmatt mafia when he has done things that you have explained a mafia categorically would not do if they were low impact like he is.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 03:20 GMT
#1490
It's to protect yourself from the hordes rels. You will look really bad after today and that's okay. I'm here to protect you from that. All you have to do is answer some simple questions to me now so that when I'm actually dead all your answers and alternatives are already in the thread.

It really shouldn't be hard to play along should it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:06 GMT
#1494
I have done my research which is quite evident because I'm asking you these questions based on things from your filter. I have concluded that you are going to look very bad quite soon.

Why can you not answer? If I have flipped town why is Kmatt your next target when you have stated quite bluntly in the thread that a person with such a low impact in the game is not going to do an all in play such as what Kmatt did with Damerion?

Why rels? Why is it so hard to answer for you? What is it about Kmatt's play to you that could be from mafia and why does it contradict what you have said?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:09 GMT
#1495
I am quite a selfish player but I realise when I'm in the way of the game progressing and I fully accept that I'm going to die. But it shouldn't be having to pull teeth for such generic answers from everybody.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:12 GMT
#1496
@Kmatt: who were your scum reads before the cop claim and who were they after Damerion died and why?

@btdt: please claim blue and clear me

@Mocsta: I cba to read your filter but why did you lynch prplhz over Damerion on d2? Also, who do you think the last mafia is if it wasn't me?

@mderg: I don't know why you hate me but I'd also like a day by day breakdown of your reads on day 1/2 and during the cop claim. If you can't be fucked I'd like your reads before the cop claim and after it but before Damerion died please. Short sentence on each. Also, when I flip town which wagon will you afk on next?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:15 GMT
#1497
Actually change @Kmatt: who were your scum reads before the cop claim and who were they after Damerion died and why?

To what were your scum reads before Damerion claimed and after he claimed but before he died. Also why did you vote him at the end of the day?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:16 GMT
#1498
Also mocsta why did you go from not voting me today to voting me but also asking for more stuff from me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:20 GMT
#1499
Also another question to kmatt:

When you played in liquidmania 1 did you have the same amount of free time as you do now?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:23 GMT
#1500
Ah, another question to kmatt, very important!

Why does it make holyflare mafia to reconsider you if you are town instead of lynching you. Wouldn't lynching you propel mafia Holyflare further?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 04:35 GMT
#1501
On January 18 2018 23:20 Damerion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2018 23:04 mderg wrote:
I really don't like the way Damerion is making his case on Damdred, though.

Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine.


How about this. Using people left the thread as a reason is weak.

Saying Damdred is sitting in discord yapping it up with his raid group/playing another game to escape pressure here isnt the weakest thing ever.

Its a bit cheap and I hope it summons him. Other than that what do you not like about the case?


I don't think Damerion responds to a partner like this with more evidence to clarify a read to justify his damdred wagon. It seems as though he is doing what he can to convince mderg in this situation.

It's weak but its something to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 28 2018 12:43 GMT
#1511
On January 28 2018 21:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 13:06 Holyflare wrote:
I have done my research which is quite evident because I'm asking you these questions based on things from your filter. I have concluded that you are going to look very bad quite soon.

Why can you not answer? If I have flipped town why is Kmatt your next target when you have stated quite bluntly in the thread that a person with such a low impact in the game is not going to do an all in play such as what Kmatt did with Damerion?

Why rels? Why is it so hard to answer for you? What is it about Kmatt's play to you that could be from mafia and why does it contradict what you have said?

? It doesn't contradict anything since I think he's town. If you flip town, I will be much, much less convinced he's scum than I'm currently convinced you're scum - EXACTLY for the reason you're stating.


Right, and I am going to flip town. So, when I flip town who is mafia?
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