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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 00:05 GMT
#1661
well, my dark-horse was wrong. but doesnt matter. this game aint going to LYLO.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 00:29 GMT
#1662
GG BTDT
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 03:05 GMT
#1663
TL;DR: Eliminating Kmatt wins us the game.
Look specifically at Day2 where Kmatt was in the driving seat to lynch Damerion or Prplhz.

VCA
+ Show Spoiler +
50%oD1
On January 20 2018 04:58 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (5): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta

Not Voting (4): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, damdred, prplhz
With all town wagons; mafia could be anywhere.

EoD1
On January 20 2018 09:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta, Rels
beentheredonethat (4): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley, prplhz, Rels
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta

Not Voting (2): Kmatt, beentheredonethat
DF is never truly under pressure.
  • Majority of Damdred/BTDT wagon is committed.
  • Both kmatt and BTDT have to vote DF for a lynch
    • BTDT is unknown. He literally has 1 post saying Mocsta is weird, and 1 post saying "bullshit" in french to DF.
    • Kmatt is against the Damdred wagon, but has indicated he will vote BTDT.

Again, DF (and scum team) is under no legitimate pressure.


50%oD2
On January 22 2018 23:25 + 20minutes Conversion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

prplhz(4): rsoultin, Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt
Damerion(1): Rels

Not Voting (6): TheTwatyEvildoer, Damerion, prplhz, Holyflare, mderg

EoD2
On January 23 2018 08:50 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

prplhz (4): rsoultin, Mocsta, beentheredonethat, Kmatt, Holyflare
Damerion (3): Rels, rsoultin, mderg

Not Voting (3): TheTwatyEvildoer, Damerion, prplhz
  • Damerion withhold and prplhz withhold cancel out each other.
  • TWAT/Damerion have not posted in ~72hrs.
  • Rels sheeped RSoultin and has some very light comments anti-damerion. Could be legit, could be distancing; its not like BTDT was a bad wagon for scum to join
  • mderg also sheeps RSoultin; but does have a filter that points to being cautious of Damerion.
  • Mocsta/HF vote prplhz for the DF vote reluctance
  • BTDT reasoning unclear
  • kmatt is interesting.
Note this interaction:
On January 22 2018 21:53 Rels wrote:
well Damerion / prp are probably both scum
On January 22 2018 23:42 Kmatt wrote:
I can get behind that. Making sure to vote nice and early today.

#vote prplhz
Specifically, he appears to agree both damerion and prplhz are scum; yet votes prplhz instead of Damerion.

Please also bear in mind that Damerion is not mentioned by Kmatt until the cop claim.
Please also bear in mind that Kmatt is against the Damdred push; but never states an opinion on the case origins (i.e. Damerion) or those on the train.



EoD3 - AutoLynch
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 26 2018 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Three Vote Count

Damerion (7): Mocsta, Rels, justanothertownie, Mocsta, Holyflare, beentheredonethat, mderg, Kmatt
Kmatt (1): Damerion
Analysis not worthwhile.



EoD4 - Predetermined Lynch
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2018 07:52 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Four Vote Count

Holyflare (6) Rels, justanothertownie, beentheredonethat, mderg, Kmatt, Mocsta, beentheredonethat
Kmatt (1): Mocsta, Holyflare
justanothertownie (0): beentheredonethat
Analysis not worthwhile.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 03:22 GMT
#1664
Also, I read that scum game mderg pointed out from 2014

    i find it quite different to this game. In detention, mderg is more like a reporter on the sidelines - commenting with inside knowledge and ocassionally trying to spark a reaction to get primetime viewing; whereas this game, its more like a ... waterboy (invested in the game with the team; but not playing in the team)

    Going through best host game: mderg is overly apologetic (not in this game) & i didnt read PYP as the game mechanics are so different - however, there is a focus from him only on mechanics and not finding scum.

    i.e. even from a meta dump, I find him being scum unlikely.

Further, I think his interactions with Damerion are extremely town v. scum.
Further, i think his interactions with DF trying to convince mderg that mocsta is scum is also town v. scum.

as far as Im concerned:
mderg + jat = confirmed town.

This leaves Rels as a dark-horse option.
I will start looking into his scum games.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 03:34 GMT
#1665
OK , so first comments from Rels in Liquidmania scum qt is that he is more aware of thread sentiment then I gave him credit for - and this does line up with HF comments about him being slimy.

hmmmm im picking up a vibe from his scum games including the newbies that hes quite aggressive in a brute force type of way. dare I say - almost a ?bully?

I need to compare to a town game where is tunneled - to compare to how he went about HF this game.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 10:33 GMT
#1676
On January 30 2018 19:18 Koshi wrote:
Pleading to town is also mafia.
Which he did.
Referring to, and whom?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 10:40 GMT
#1680
On January 30 2018 19:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 19:33 Mocsta wrote:
On January 30 2018 19:18 Koshi wrote:
Pleading to town is also mafia.
Which he did.
Referring to, and whom?

You. But I am considering Rels is mafia and HF was standard horrible.
LOL, keep going
Im enjoying the comedy show.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 10:47 GMT
#1685
On January 30 2018 19:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 08:00 Rels wrote:
Now HF:
- has been pushing for mafia objectives all game long: lynch Damdred or BTDT over DF during D1, lynch prp over Damerion D2, soft a role during the night N2, believed Damerion's claim D3. Now I want to make it clear that being wrong does not make anyone scum by itself. But. HF is a very strong a logical player, as either alignment. And this game is being seen more or less the same way by a lot of players I consider strong: rsoultin, KSC, JAT ... but HF for some reason has had the exact opposite view of the game than all of these players. Even if it doesn't make HF scum by itself, it's a big indicator that he's been this wrong in this straight-forward game.
- has entered pointless debate mode whenever he's been attacked. That started D1 when he deflected rsoul's accusation of defending DF by saying he was going home, which was not the original point; and that continued all game until earlier, where he was whining about being tunneled so much and trying to throw shade at me.
- and last but not least, my case on him. Regardless of everything I've said above, the case by itself make him scum. It's just impossible that town!HF would risk the cop getting roleblocked. I know that for a player that never played with HF, it seems dumb to have that kind of certainty over this: if that's the case and you refuse to take my word for it, I would ask you to do your research and verify how HF plays as town during the night.

People should stop thinking hf is good as town. Been saying this for so long.
Whats the point of this post.

No need to shit on people that are dead. So are you being a tool for the sake of it, or relating this to Rels?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 10:51 GMT
#1689
On January 30 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 19:47 Mocsta wrote:
On January 30 2018 19:40 Koshi wrote:
On January 27 2018 08:00 Rels wrote:
Now HF:
- has been pushing for mafia objectives all game long: lynch Damdred or BTDT over DF during D1, lynch prp over Damerion D2, soft a role during the night N2, believed Damerion's claim D3. Now I want to make it clear that being wrong does not make anyone scum by itself. But. HF is a very strong a logical player, as either alignment. And this game is being seen more or less the same way by a lot of players I consider strong: rsoultin, KSC, JAT ... but HF for some reason has had the exact opposite view of the game than all of these players. Even if it doesn't make HF scum by itself, it's a big indicator that he's been this wrong in this straight-forward game.
- has entered pointless debate mode whenever he's been attacked. That started D1 when he deflected rsoul's accusation of defending DF by saying he was going home, which was not the original point; and that continued all game until earlier, where he was whining about being tunneled so much and trying to throw shade at me.
- and last but not least, my case on him. Regardless of everything I've said above, the case by itself make him scum. It's just impossible that town!HF would risk the cop getting roleblocked. I know that for a player that never played with HF, it seems dumb to have that kind of certainty over this: if that's the case and you refuse to take my word for it, I would ask you to do your research and verify how HF plays as town during the night.

People should stop thinking hf is good as town. Been saying this for so long.
Whats the point of this post.

No need to shit on people that are dead. So are you being a tool for the sake of it, or relating this to Rels?

Probably tool.
2nd honest comment you have made, after appreciating my picture humour.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 10:53 GMT
#1691
On January 30 2018 19:52 Koshi wrote:
##unvote Mocsta
##Vote Rels
Im not understanding this, whatsoever.

Happy to listen. though.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 12:31 GMT
#1707
can someone please respond to my kmatt/koshi points
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 12:41 GMT
#1709
On January 30 2018 05:38 Rels wrote:
lol. If Koshi is town that game just got a whole lot easier
@Rels.. I dont understand where you are going with this.


Note:
On January 27 2018 09:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels, in a world where Holyflare is town, who ya gonna call?
On January 27 2018 09:31 Rels wrote:Kmatt.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 12:42 GMT
#1710
On January 30 2018 21:41 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 21:31 Mocsta wrote:
can someone please respond to my kmatt/koshi points

I'd much rather see what Koshi is doing today. Wasn't convinced Kmatt is mafia earlier and now that we have an active replacement I will just see how this guy plays. So far my feeling is that Koshi might be on the right path going after Rels. I am happy to watch them battle for a while.
I can accept that... (for now).. its hard. most of the activity happens when Im asleep. I DO NOT want this forgotten 12hrs out from deadline.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 12:45 GMT
#1712
On January 30 2018 21:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 21:41 Mocsta wrote:
On January 30 2018 05:38 Rels wrote:
lol. If Koshi is town that game just got a whole lot easier
@Rels.. I dont understand where you are going with this.


Note:
On January 27 2018 09:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels, in a world where Holyflare is town, who ya gonna call?
On January 27 2018 09:31 Rels wrote:Kmatt.


There is an IF in that sentence for a reason I guess. And he is right. If Koshi is town it may prevent a surefire mislynch.
I'm not seeing that.

Rather, he has indicated that top scum after HF.

How does Koshi entering change that read?
From when Rels posted that, I do not pick up alternate scum reads to Kmatt/Koshi... hence, how does the game get easier? he should be at a dead end.....
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 14:14 GMT
#1735
On January 30 2018 23:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 22:46 Rels wrote:
That might be retarded. But I don't think kita accepts Kmatt being replaced if he was scum.

He didn't break activity or voting rules yesterday, so that means he asked to be replaced. And I don't see kita accepting it if Kmatt is scum, 'cause that would mean Kmatt would ask to replace only because the pressure of playing scum is too great. While I could see kita accepting the request if Kmatt is town.

I thought about that too. One of the reasons why you should not replace this late.
replace late sucks
But i wouldnt draw haste conclusions
kmatr is a newbie and kita probably feels internally pressures for this to reach a natural ending through votes with either allignment.

We have invested 2 weeks of our lives and losing a town now would put game in lylo i think and losing scum is default win.

Nothing more to read of this.. also bear in mind twat didnt post dor like 72 hrs before being replaced.

Who knows when kmatt sent ina request.....
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 14:18 GMT
#1737
On January 30 2018 23:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 22:58 Rels wrote:
On January 30 2018 22:53 Koshi wrote:
Defending and host wifom.

well yeah, you will have nothing better until I'm home and I can check stuff. Right now I have lots of ideas going through my mind but I need to fact check them before posting.
For example, Mocsta didn't agree with the roleblock making BTDT town at some point. HF and JAT talked yesterday how that was scummy. But I don't think that's scummy, on the contrary: scum have roleblocked BTDT since the beginning of the game, and have killed them now. On the contrary, I would expect scum to show townreads towards BTDT. Maybe even TMI townreads, as they thought he was blue.

I don't agree. The thing about Mocsta was that he seemed almost furious how btdt got cleared by this. There is no reason to be angry as town in that situation. Still dislike this but I have trouble reading much into it knowing that mocsta was probably pretty wasted at that point in time.
it was a good day for sure

Pale ale / snacks / pool and so much sun

Whoops.. forgot its still snow season in the northern hemisphere

Btw. I already mentionsd that the next day thought about it more and rwalised about the rb interaction with kelsier vig shot. So misinformedly spoke
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 14:22 GMT
#1739
On January 30 2018 22:32 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 22:20 Koshi wrote:
On January 30 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
On January 30 2018 21:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 30 2018 21:41 Mocsta wrote:
On January 30 2018 05:38 Rels wrote:
lol. If Koshi is town that game just got a whole lot easier
@Rels.. I dont understand where you are going with this.


Note:
On January 27 2018 09:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels, in a world where Holyflare is town, who ya gonna call?
On January 27 2018 09:31 Rels wrote:Kmatt.


There is an IF in that sentence for a reason I guess. And he is right. If Koshi is town it may prevent a surefire mislynch.
I'm not seeing that.

Rather, he has indicated that top scum after HF.

How does Koshi entering change that read?
From when Rels posted that, I do not pick up alternate scum reads to Kmatt/Koshi... hence, how does the game get easier? he should be at a dead end.....

I agree with mocsta reasoning btw. The fact Rels thinks I might be town should puzzle him and not make the game a lot easier.

I read his filter. He has nothing left.

well, yeah. I was convinced HF was scum. You and Mocsta are cherry-picking this quote that Kmatt would be my second scum, but I also said that if that was not HF, I would not be super convinced on anyone.
its not a cherry pick

Everything else after tjat quote is related to hf being scum

Please review my kmatt/koshi points at start of day when you return
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 22:00 GMT
#1740
Was hoping for some activity ....
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 23:19 GMT
#1758
On January 31 2018 07:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2018 09:03 Mocsta wrote:
I cant believe that worked haha

can you explain what you were trying to achieve ?
Koshi replaced in, what, a couple hours before deadline?
There is no way any replacement could meaningfully read the thread and draw conclusions.
The QT should be much more manageable.

So, when I woke up to see a replacement that is insta-calling me scum, and not in an OMGUS-way: My scum read on Kmatt/Koshi was amplified further.

In my mind I was testing whether Koshi was making kill selection on thread or QT strategy.
If BTDT was legitimately RB (which clearly now is the case) for being perceived as medic; I see him as a real threat to scum as another delay to LYLO should be default town win.

If BTDT was faking the RB, I would expect scum (inc. Koshi) to clasp onto the JAT notice and shoot him.
I mean, JAT being blue was so obvious from how he destroyed Damerion *AND* refused to discuss claims with BTDT.
I didnt see it as a risk to output this as a competent scum would be shooting him anyways.

===========
I have thought about it more and not sure its as telling as I had hoped.
BTDT could have been shot purely for being "confirmed town" and/or unpredictable.
BTDT could have been shot to focus on this type of discussion.

Right now, I need to evaluate what Koshi has contributed this cycle - vs. the kill selection.


Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
January 30 2018 23:21 GMT
#1759
On January 31 2018 08:04 Koshi wrote:
[....]
Mocsta will most likely vote me. He convinced himself over the course of the game and needs to see my flip.
[...]
You make a fair point.

##Unvote

I need to take a step back and its starts with the action above.

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