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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:13 GMT
#752
I need to go back and look at the HF lynch. I'm still not really sure why the HF lynch got so much steam so quickly
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:26 GMT
#753
Actually I don't understand. The HF wagon doesn't really make sense regardless of Stan's alignment.

It is a pretty swaggy play to lynch an AFK town!HF on D1
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:46 GMT
#757
On November 22 2017 00:48 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
The case on me was so bad and it's insane to me that it picked up as much momentum as it did. I feel like anyone who voted for me or accepted me as a lynch either must have not bothered to check the case in the slightest which is odd since I had like 7 posts and it would had taken 60 seconds to know every single statement against me was straight up untrue or were quotes of me with an incorrect analysis. Alternatively they purposefully bent facts to forge the case or they were scum who saw a chance to blend into the town misplay.

I'm going to be looking over the game some more later but from now I'm liking darthfoley & Hapahauli. for tomorrow's lynch.

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darthfoley
Either he's genuinely clueless and doesn't actually understand what having scumreads means since he insists he has them when he does not. Or he's scum and intentionally lying and misleading.

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On November 21 2017 02:53 darthfoley wrote:
On November 21 2017 02:43 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
Okey I'll adress this exactly ones because it's taking up way to much threadspace.
Why I think darthfoley is mafia.
1)There was the Boson contradiction
2)His only reads are town
3)His not lynching chez post (Yes it's an unserious joke but mafia are more inclined to write a excuse for doing something both because they have a desire to guard themselves from any inqusitive people before they ask and because since they don't have genuine thoughts they write down their reason so they don't forget themselves)

The first 2 are the major points and they had been stated by others, It add's nothing for me to say it again or by rephrasing it slightly so it looks like my own thoughts.

4)So far darthfoley has still not tried to make a case on anybody else despite being the lynchcandiate.

1) This is not a big deal. I write down my thoughts as I play and I wanted to ask Boson a question. This is also not an original point by you so whatever
2) Just false
3) Lol, not your original point and also not a good point.
4) Also false

1. It is a big deal, or atleast for day 1's. Townies want to pressure the people they believe are scum, not the people you believe to be town. It's an obvious contradiction that hints that darthfoley isn't actually looking for mafia, he's just talking fluff and making it appear as he's contributing.
2. You hadn't pressured at that time anybody without also making an excuse why you might be wrong. Mafiaplay to cover their back.
3. I agree the point isn't as strong as the first 2 but small stuff piles up aswell. And it is true and from this point on darthfoley despite admitting that it was weak but not false continues through the game lying or misleading claiming 3/4 reasons were false when he makes future references.
4. Might be considered false if he misunderstood what I ment, but more likely he choose to misunderstand what I ment for his own agenda. Pushing a scum lynch is not the same as posting a one liner on a person with little/no reasoning behind it, and that is the best scumhunting darthfoley offers the town. As a townie looking to be lynched your first priority should be finding a better target and getting that person nailed. If you absolutely can't do that you can try to defend yourself, but defense is worthless to determine town/scum since both have an interest to do so and the same material so unless someone has actually lied in their arguments against you and you can call that out it's not helpful. The first person he truly does pressure and votes on is me but it's shady.
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On November 21 2017 00:28 darthfoley wrote:
Meh. Idk who is more scummy.
Let's vote Petrov and see what the wind blows
##Vote: Stanislav Petrov

It's a very meh vote and from this point on he slow grows more and more outspokenly confident that I'm mafia despite no new information being added on so where does his increased confidence come from? He continues to reference past statements that are false and wrong and reinforcing them as true.

When he talks to oats about me on bottom of page 32.
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On November 21 2017 06:06 darthfoley wrote:
Then he co-opted the wagon and pretended like it was his original ideas

This is actually the furthest thing from what I did and it's unbelievable that he would genuinely believe that after the big center point in the accusation against me was that I sheeped without adding anything new. Additionally I specifically said in a post he quoted (first quote above)
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On November 21 2017 02:43 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
The first 2 are the major points and they had been stated by others, It add's nothing for me to say it again or by rephrasing it slightly so it looks like my own thoughts.

In the end he changes votes to tumbleweed who looks like a potential easy lynch switch. Then follows on holyflare on a very sketchy case which again makes me feel that his outspoken confidence that I am mafia is not genuine.

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Hapahauli.

I liked his initial call-out on darthfoley. But his next thing with the test is mindbogglingly weird from a town perspective and feels a lot like a feign bus. He makes a case against me which is full of contradictions and incorrect conclusions (I'll explain how if you don't understand). I didn't call it out immediately because I thought he was baiting to see who would jump aboard something that on a glance looked like an okey case but if you took 2 minutes you'd see it was bullshit. After learning I wasn't a beginner he dropped the case like a stone and parked himself on the holyflare wagon again based on a fairly weak case and wasn't heard from again.


Lol so you basically made a wall of text post about me without adding anything new. C'mon man

To recap:
1. I don't care how my early D1 play looks. This point is still trash. It was contradictory because I had contradictory thoughts close together a few hours into the game. Oh well

2. I've been scumhunting MUCH more than you dude. You have one page of filter a day into the game. Your ENTIRE filter in the last 12-16 hours has revolved around defending yourself, and attacking me with the same shit points over and over and over. You have hardly interacted with anyone. I write one liners because I write stream of consciousness. I haven't given caveats to every scum read. This is also just wrong.

3. Another non point that still fails to have any relevancy

4. I had a lynch pool of THREE people (You, Oats, TW). I am on the block with 6 votes. Of course i'm going to factor in my chance of survivability into which of the three I eventually go after. I wanted to see more from Oats because I think he's a good town when he's town. You point out that I voted for TW "who looked like an easy potential lynch target." Dude, you were leading in votes 6-5-1 at the time. By voting for TW, I tied up the voting again which made me the lynch. Sick mafia strats bro. I followed onto the HF lynch 5 minutes before deadline without really wanting to because the alternative was me dying. The fact that you try to paint that as scummy is just laughable.

You call me a liar for saying you have no original points on me. Please quote the original points that YOU added to the case on me.

You keep criticizing me for not having new reads/scum reads, yet you have shown that you're incapable of forming new organic reads. You refuse to talk about anyone else. You're a one hit wonder.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:47 GMT
#758
Nvm, Stan is still scum.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:48 GMT
#759
On November 22 2017 01:46 Damdred wrote:
Now the fact that we could onky get 5 votes for stan and managed to get every single person on stan to move+hapa/palmar not wanting to move is interesting.


Exactamundo. Most we ever had on Stan was 6, then I moved off to TW. Never could get over 5 after that. Wonder why
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:50 GMT
#760
Notice how Stan is calling me and Hapa mafia for following the "very weak case on town!HF" but he's not scum reading any of the people who started the HF wagon.

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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 16:57 GMT
#762
On November 21 2017 20:00 Koshi wrote:
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On November 21 2017 06:07 darthfoley wrote:
Correct. Technically you didn't 180. You bandwagoned

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On November 21 2017 06:05 Stanislav Petrov wrote:
So some are calling me mafia due to my suspicious 180 and others call me town because my suspicious 180 is just to suspicious for mafia to do. I feel like you don't understand what 180 means. A 180 for me would be saying I have townread on darthfoley and then saying I have a mafiaread on darthfoley. Or saying I have a mafiaread on damdred and then a townread on damdred.

What you're actually referring to as my 180 is that I on page 5 wanted to lynch damdred because he was the most likely to be mafia with the information available at that time and in my next post on page 13. 8 pages later stating that I thought another person was a better candidate.

It is in the wrong order but this looks bad for darthfoley. Soft lies to push people is bad.


Town!Koshi never soft pushes people like this. His filter is ass cheeks and he tried hammering me (which obviously didn't work, oops!)

Scum
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 17:00 GMT
#763
On November 21 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote:
You know holy flare is gonna show up and vote for DF and then its kaput


if you really thought this, why did you stay on Stan when it was clear he wasn't going to be lynched?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 17:00 GMT
#764
I'm concerned that ruxxar has me in his pocket
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 17:37 GMT
#769
On November 22 2017 02:17 Damdred wrote:
Rux could be scum but lets stay focused and talk about a person a time df.

Koshi is problematic, even with hi knowinf there are three scum which he cant know btw.

He isnt doing anything and he just floundering around the lynch. He is worth keeping in the lynch pool.

So right now this is where you are df: Stan/Koshi/Rux(?) and who else?

Nah i'm probably being too paranoid about Ruxx for now. I'm just concerend that he was so confident that I was town yesterday.

I think TW has a good chance of being scum. When I pressed him for reads he timidly committed to Stan having the worst filter.

On November 21 2017 00:40 Tumblewood wrote:
ok, i'll humor you.
worst filter in the game, palmar aside, is stan's. don't like the jokey-seeming damdred read being actual, or his post on me
i can't talk for much longer (i'll be on at least half an hour before deadline, pinkie promise). ok bye


This is about as wishy washy as you can get.

On November 21 2017 05:00 Tumblewood wrote:
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On November 21 2017 04:34 Palmar wrote:
I like this conversion guy. Think I’ll sheep him

nah, i don't believe palmar comes back to the thread an hour before deadline and conversion is the guy he sheeps


He then says this, which makes it sound like he's scum reading Palmar. Yet he's fine following Palmar's lynch train. I tried to keep the wagon on Stan and was telling people to get off the HF wagon, but TW was fine with whatever.

On November 21 2017 05:23 Tumblewood wrote:
yeah i'd prefer hf over df. his reasoning on rux is pretty bs imo, especially with the calling ve conftown thing i yelled at him about


All of a sudden he's completely fine with lynching HF and forgot the whole Palmar angle. It just seems to me like he was looking for a reason to get off of Stan and couldnt switch to me.

Need to look at other people who switched or stayed on me. Always hard to know if people were afk or lurking
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 17:39 GMT
#770
On November 22 2017 02:16 Conversion wrote:
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On November 22 2017 01:55 Damdred wrote:
well lets let him respond to us,

So what do you think of kel df (pssst conversion)


We should probably pressure Kelsier to not play so anti-town.

Not going to rehash the case, but OMGUS deflection, voting off wagon and going AFK and telling town not to screw up, focusing on town "screwing up" instead of doing anything then AFKing again is horrible town play.

his "lynch between oats and tw" without any follow up (especially when oats picked up the pace) is just super bad town, if not scum.

how about you?


Especially considering neither Oats nor TW were ever up for a lynch. I thought Kelsier did a pretty impressive on Stan; he went from pretty confident he was mafia to pretty confident he was mafia in not a long span of time
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 17:39 GMT
#771
Who were the people that refused to commit to the Stan wagon and kept pressure on afk town!HF?

It was 5-5-3 but Stan never got above 5
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 17:42 GMT
#772
Damdred who are you scum reading atm?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 21:34 GMT
#829
On November 22 2017 06:24 KelsierSC wrote:
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On November 22 2017 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 22 2017 05:53 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 22 2017 04:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 22 2017 03:29 KelsierSC wrote:

I'm not going to lynch oats, I was pretty irritated by his comment on "why would tw defend df "or something like that so I was in a fuck this guy frame of mind but there's more good than bad, plus he didn't vote hf and stuck on his darth read.

I liked hapa because he was one of the first people to vote darth and call him out I think but obviously around vote time I don't know what the fuck happened.

ok so the situation at the end of day 1 is that the 3 people being lynched are all people that kelsier has a townread on, or not a scumread at the very least. He thinks im townie for not switching from one town to another town?!? If im mafia, i couldnt care less who actually got lynched yesterday assuming they are all town.

That town read makes no sense.

I deleted the part where he says that hes probably the only one who voted for mafia on day 1 which is completely irrelevant and seems extremely scummy for trying to get cred.

This hapa read is just straight up wrong.


I wasn't thinking of it from the perspective of you are mafia so you would know if they are both town. To me it felt like you stuck with your conviction that df was mafia which you were pushing near the lynch and for most of D1 from what I remember. I liked that it felt pretty genuine.

I don't know how the hapa read is wrong, you can disagree with it but he did vote df pretty early.

Go read hapa's filter again and tell me if he really wanted to Lynch Darth.

Yes, but why wouldn't mafia!oats do exactly the same thing? Why would mafia oats switch to HF?


I don't know what hapa wanted, i'm unsure of that guy as I said.

second question is weird but you seemed to genuinely want to lynch df which made you seem town. Like if df and hf are both town ,mafia takes the opportunity to lynch hf because he's a better player and more of a threat to the mafia team.


Defending my honor by citing the fact that I've been NK'd N1 the last two games over HF. Therefore I'm the far superior player. Fact
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 21 2017 22:55 GMT
#848
So can we not let Koshi slide by doing nothing again today plz
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 22 2017 18:40 GMT
#892
Stan still mafia therefore

##Vote: Stanislav Petrov
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 22 2017 18:43 GMT
#893
On November 23 2017 03:38 Koshi wrote:
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On November 22 2017 23:52 Palmar wrote:
I'm unsure what to do.

i am almost certain I will be lynching into TW, KelsierSC and Hapa. I am also certain that I'm not gonna pay much attention to who these guys are voting (although I might read into how).

I might backtrack and read a person or two at some point, but I'm unsure if I'll have the energy.

Koshi feels less mafia than earlier.

I must be doing something wrong then.


Can you actually do something pls n thx. Who is town and who is mafia?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 22 2017 18:47 GMT
#894
Why does Hapa have 3 votes? Pretty sure he's town
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 22 2017 18:48 GMT
#895
On November 22 2017 23:58 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2017 07:05 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 22 2017 07:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 22 2017 06:52 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 22 2017 06:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm not making shit up, that's what you said


right you stuck to your darth read.

it's more of a throwaway comment about the hf lynch being bad rather than some thought about "does mafia oats switch in this situation"

If that is the whole reason for this line of questioning you are a fucking imbecile.

The whole reason is that you think I'm townier for that which is bullshit.

And I want to Lynch you.


lol ok

like you seemed to genuinely believe your lynch target was mafia and that made you towny to me. Some bullshit about whether or not you could have switched to hf if you were mafia literally has nothing to do with it.

I can't tell if you are just being stupid or willfully ignoring my posts.




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On November 22 2017 07:08 KelsierSC wrote:
I don't care about anything until damdred talks about why he didn't shoot



I don't really like either of these posts, especially the latter one in the context of the first. Seems like he has plenty of stuff to talk about, but tries to make some ultimatum on when he wants to talk about things.

It's no big deal though, I'm still meh on who to lynch.


Second post is a lot worse
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 22 2017 18:51 GMT
#896
Are the 3 Hapa votes really just because Z-Boson did some half assed case on him or something? I can't find an actual case on him.

Fun fact, Stan ninja'd on Hapa without explaining? Why would he ever do that?! Cannot compute!
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