|
On November 02 2017 15:17 Tictock wrote:
Ok read post and then bedtime.
Town -> Scum
Oats Actively pushing the game, solid interactions, good tone. Would be majorly impressed if he is keeping this activity up while scum for the 2nd game in a row, specially endgaming last game
Ruxx Feels like bubbly free flowing Ruxx. Activity is probably NAI for him but he's keeping his thoughts coming. Possibly buddied
Conv Just a newer player struggling to find ground. Got emo and tried to mayrter earlier on but never dropped off and resisted pressure. Likely Town
Krogan More nullish, raised some good points, not terribly active. Interesting opener
Damer Had a decent post, dissapeared. Possible god reads, I foolishly have hope he will do something interesting before EoD
Breshke I hope I spelled his name right. Possibly will be renamed with an R name
Damdred damdead? A couple decent tonal reads, pretty meh
HF I've already talked a lot on this read, may be stuck at odds with him
Vivax pretty forgettable this game, gets this spot because his name was autocorrected into vivacious
Zendude Made one big post about DF, needs to play the game, Super new?
Shokey shaped up his game noticeably after pressure, lynchbait or scum?
DF all over the place, don't get where his head is at, he goes from super bitchcy with Oats to hard buddy mode for no reason, main reason to scum read me is something silly I said early on about him
I think this is more or less where I am, I had to skim DF's filter more than I would have liked due to needing sleep and all. I think I will be happy if anyone from my bottom 5 get lynched.
I'm going to sleep on my vote I should probably move it to DF but based on last count it seems pretty likely one of him and Shokey are getting lynched and I'm not sure I really care which ATM.
So this is what I don't like about your reads:
Ruxx Feels like bubbly free flowing Ruxx. Activity is probably NAI for him but he's keeping his thoughts coming. Possibly buddied
There's no mention of what I've been doing this game. I feel like this is a bad representation of what I've done that should make me town. I would understand if this was a read from the first 1 hour of the game, but it looks like you just read a few posts of my filter then left it at that.
Conv Just a newer player struggling to find ground. Got emo and tried to mayrter earlier on but never dropped off and resisted pressure. Likely Town
Calling him a new player trying to find ground is ignoring the details and context of what he's actually done this game.
This is tightly linked to the fact that you didn't understand the statement he made about damerion, nor that you invested the time in understanding it and the context.
Krogan More nullish, raised some good points, not terribly active. Interesting opener
Raised good points about what? About who? Not terribly active is supposed to mean what? What's interesting about the opener? This read just leads to more questions insatead of instilling confidence in that your read has basis in something solid.
Breshke I hope I spelled his name right. Possibly will be renamed with an R name
This is worthless and I'm not sure why you even included it. Just filler content.
Damdred damdead? A couple decent tonal reads, pretty meh
What did you like about the reads, what's meh? Damdead means what?
Vivax pretty forgettable this game, gets this spot because his name was autocorrected into vivacious
Another worthless filler.
Zendude Made one big post about DF, needs to play the game, Super new?
There's no breakdown of his post or why it makes him scummy. What didn't you like about it?
Just brushing it away and awarding him a scummy slot while not revealing any reasoning worth anything.
"Super new?"... what?
Shokey shaped up his game noticeably after pressure, lynchbait or scum?
You obviously put him as super scum in your list so you think he is scum. Now you have to give some reasoning for why you think he is scum and not lynchbait instead of just posing a question that gives no insight into your thoughts and avoid responsibility for this read.
|
In general it feels like you've just skimmed the thread and not actually taken the time to really understand the arguments that people have been making.
Would you say that is an accurate description?
|
Why are you so defensive about TT krogan?
|
So who are your scum reads then?
I cant remember a single one of your scum reads.
|
On November 03 2017 03:09 Holyflare wrote:
Cool but vivax is mafia though.
Sure, I'll force him to play.
|
On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:I don't like ruxxar. Him disliking damer, scumreading df and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic. Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town. Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 01:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space
HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that
Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")
I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad
1) You deliberately used a quote that was from the last game, making it seem like it was something HF said this game. That's not bad wording, that's intentional deceit. 2) The quote you used was wrong, because it was NOT a good scum indicator for damerion, yet you used it anyway pushing your argument as if it had a leg to stand on with HFs name flying high in there. I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game. Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that?
What is opportunistic about my reads?
|
On November 03 2017 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 00:58 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 00:49 Damdred wrote:
Lets go baby boy, lots of tt talk bit much votes though The more I read TTs read post the worse it looks. I was gonna summarize each of his reads and why they are so bad, but there's no point when people can just read them themselves. I'm switching to TT. Why did his earlier posts look so townie that you hard defended him and his later posts look scummy?
I've already explained this. I'm not going to do it again.
|
On November 03 2017 03:59 happykrogan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 03 2017 03:18 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 02:56 happykrogan wrote:I don't like ruxxar. Him disliking damer, scumreading df and scumreading TT all seems pretty opportunistic. Also he makes strange posts about conv I don'T think town would make On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to me.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. In the first post it seems like he is scumreading him. I don't see town making a post like this if he actually think he is town. On November 03 2017 01:14 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 01:08 Conversion wrote:
can we get off this case y'all are wasting thread space
HF votes Damerion b/c he's randomly zealous and pushing people immediately or something like that
Ruxx basically says the same thing ("I like the confidence, it's forced, not sure if one time thing, etc.")
I said his play isn't as good and I get shat on by two people who basically shared the sentiment, but the wording was bad
1) You deliberately used a quote that was from the last game, making it seem like it was something HF said this game. That's not bad wording, that's intentional deceit. 2) The quote you used was wrong, because it was NOT a good scum indicator for damerion, yet you used it anyway pushing your argument as if it had a leg to stand on with HFs name flying high in there. I don't think it was intentional deceit. It wasn't very good to do that by conversion but he explained that he thought it was clear enough that it was last game. Also you don't call anyone deceiving who you don't think is scum. Why should town do something like that? What is opportunistic about my reads? You literally switched 180 when ticktock started getting additional pressure. If that's not opportunistic, what is? HF, vivax is a coinflip, we don't lynch coinfljps day 1 This. Also you scumread/disliked df and damer shortly after scumreads on them appeared.
I've posted my own reads on these people. If you disagree with the points i've made then break down what you think is scummy about my reads.
|
On November 03 2017 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 16:39 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 14:31 Tictock wrote:Oats if this is what you are talking about re HFvsConcersion... On November 01 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
You might say that "oh hf but he already said he's finding town this game instead of looking for scummy things that's why it's different!" but without talking about ongoing games he did very well with the previous strategy so I don't see a need to change it up at all. I'm not putting words in HF's myouth-- he has like 2 posts so far, why did you think I was talking about this game On November 01 2017 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
That's a quote from last game
...
Where he was town? This is crap bickering about stuff from last game. I tend to zone out when people talk around each other, kus Conv was making a point about HF anyways not Damer. Besides Conv's original read on Damer was basically just "he's different than last game, that's weird, that could maybe mean he's scum" Honestly rereading that I feel like HF was blowing shit out of proportion and jumping down Conv's throat. All the while voting the guy Conv had issues with. Do you see why I'm seeing a possible scum!flare here? In fact I don't even think a HF/Damer team is impossible here. I feel like HF has spent most of the game pushing people other than Damer. I don’t think you actually understood what went down there between me, Conversion and holyflare, so let me recap it for you: 1) Conversion calls damerion scum, due to the fact that damerion has changed his play style. Conversion says this is scummy because holyflare has said that there was no reason for damerion to change his play style since it was working so well for him. only when questioned by me does conversion admit that holyflare never said that this game, but that it was actually a quote from last game. Conversion also made it seem like it was super obvious he was talking about something holyflare said last game. 2) As if that wasn’t bad enough, the argument that conversion claimed holyflare used to call damerion scum was actually wrong. Holy flare last game claimed that damerion was scummy for changing his play style. Well, Damerion was town last game, so holyflares argument was incorrect. Conversion did not seem to have evaluated that part at all and just wanted more credibility to his damerion read by adding holyflares name to his post. The fact that you didn’t understand that is affecting my view of you negatively. Ok so this looks like the point where you changed your mind. The problem is that he already stated his opinion earlier about the conv and HF confrontation so why did you only think this one was scummy and not the earlier one? Also bad comprehension was enough to make you go from a hard townread to a scumread? I don't buy it
I feel like I'm having a deja vu.
On November 02 2017 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 03:59 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:54 darthfoley wrote:On November 02 2017 03:53 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 03:49 darthfoley wrote:On November 01 2017 23:57 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 23:51 Damdred wrote:
If there is someone I dont like, df put together a string of posts that I just didnt feel good about at points.
I do think that the auicidal nature that conversion is approaching every conversation right now hes probably just going to be town.
Like rayn and I had this talk maybe a year ago? there is this point where you just basically tell town to go fuck thwmselves and it comes off as town.
and conversion is coming off that way to m e.
But I got way off track with that post meh I agree about DF. About conversion... the jury is still out. He was never this edgy as town. This game and the last is not how I remember town conversion playing. Conversion wasn't edgy at all last game. He was wishy washy and non-committal as hell which is how I caught him. His play from last game and this game are much different. Different, yet not similar to how I remember town conversion playing. Doesn't matter either way, I don't think the guy is mafia. The jury is still out but you don't think the guy is mafia? So the jury is in? lolwat Yes, the bickering between him and shockey was enough for me. Either they're both scum or theyre both town. tell me why you think that ticktoc is confirmed town?
On November 01 2017 23:44 ruXxar wrote:
Tick tock - I like tick tock. His string of posts shows he’s interested in having an opinion.
His thoughts are flowing well.
He’s a town lean.
|
On November 03 2017 04:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 16:39 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 14:31 Tictock wrote:Oats if this is what you are talking about re HFvsConcersion... On November 01 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
You might say that "oh hf but he already said he's finding town this game instead of looking for scummy things that's why it's different!" but without talking about ongoing games he did very well with the previous strategy so I don't see a need to change it up at all. I'm not putting words in HF's myouth-- he has like 2 posts so far, why did you think I was talking about this game On November 01 2017 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
That's a quote from last game
...
Where he was town? This is crap bickering about stuff from last game. I tend to zone out when people talk around each other, kus Conv was making a point about HF anyways not Damer. Besides Conv's original read on Damer was basically just "he's different than last game, that's weird, that could maybe mean he's scum" Honestly rereading that I feel like HF was blowing shit out of proportion and jumping down Conv's throat. All the while voting the guy Conv had issues with. Do you see why I'm seeing a possible scum!flare here? In fact I don't even think a HF/Damer team is impossible here. I feel like HF has spent most of the game pushing people other than Damer. I don’t think you actually understood what went down there between me, Conversion and holyflare, so let me recap it for you: 1) Conversion calls damerion scum, due to the fact that damerion has changed his play style. Conversion says this is scummy because holyflare has said that there was no reason for damerion to change his play style since it was working so well for him. only when questioned by me does conversion admit that holyflare never said that this game, but that it was actually a quote from last game. Conversion also made it seem like it was super obvious he was talking about something holyflare said last game. 2) As if that wasn’t bad enough, the argument that conversion claimed holyflare used to call damerion scum was actually wrong. Holy flare last game claimed that damerion was scummy for changing his play style. Well, Damerion was town last game, so holyflares argument was incorrect. Conversion did not seem to have evaluated that part at all and just wanted more credibility to his damerion read by adding holyflares name to his post. The fact that you didn’t understand that is affecting my view of you negatively. Ok so this looks like the point where you changed your mind. The problem is that he already stated his opinion earlier about the conv and HF confrontation so why did you only think this one was scummy and not the earlier one? Also bad comprehension was enough to make you go from a hard townread to a scumread? I don't buy it
But to answer your question. Yes, it was a very pivotal and important moment in the game for me, and he failed to see it.
|
On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.
Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen?
|
|
|
On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 04:30 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen? In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe.
I don't know about zen. I feel like when he posts he's not afraid to put himself out there. I'd like to see him post more for sure. Don't want to lynch him today.
|
On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 04:30 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen? In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe.
What do you think about the big debacle between shockey and conversion?
Does mafia vs town fly in each others faces like that?
|
On November 03 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:I'm here now, will read the other 90 % of the game. Highly doubt I will do much besides repeating that we should lynch shockey. I've checked a bit of his meta already and am not much the wiser as a lot of those are old or themed games. But since DF called him lynch bait as of late, in the one game where he actually got lynched D1, his filter looked much better than here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/184673-mini-mafia-iv?user=ShoCkeyy#Also, Damerion wants to lynch him, Damerion has awesome reads and until you think he's mafia you should sheep him.
In the game you linked shockey has the same tone read as here.
It reinforces my idea of him being town.
|
|
|
On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote:
Before I head out I will say a couple of things.
Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria.
Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself.
Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch.
I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with.
I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched.
I'm still going to lynch tick tock. I just wanted to get vivax playing.
|
On November 03 2017 05:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
It's interesting that he doesn't engage me anymore though
Talking to you is about as useful as talking to a donkey.
|
On November 03 2017 05:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 23:19 ruXxar wrote:On November 01 2017 22:55 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 22:37 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote:
the problemI have with the scumread of “DF is attacking anyone possible” is that he could have just saved himself the effort and pushed me exactly how he pushed me last game and most likely started a wagon. my play hasn’t differed too wildly (as pointed out by krogan), so why would he waste time throwing shade at other people when he has two very good lynch targets he can focus on (me/shockey) EBWOP The best explanation I can think of right now is that he doesn't want to follow thread sentiment because it could cause problems later in the game. All my spermicidal evidence gathered suggests that tunneling is a town trait rather than a scum trait. WTF LOL
One of my finer moments.
I'm surprised you were the first to notice.
|
On November 03 2017 05:49 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 05:42 ruXxar wrote:On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote:
Before I head out I will say a couple of things.
Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria.
Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself.
Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch.
I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with.
I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched.
I'm still going to lynch tick tock. I just wanted to get vivax playing. Never understood the whole "I'm voting for this person and telling them I'm pressuring them, not because I think they're mafia strategy" Might as well play poker and show your hand to the whole table
If it works it works. Don't hater the player, hate the game.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
