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Hello hello I am the Grackaroni.
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On October 13 2017 06:35 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:32 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 13 2017 06:30 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote: Everyone who's not me is mafia except the noob who posted that hes vt Can I be you? I get asked that a lot but sadly no. You're trying too hard Blasted. I'll find a way to get into your pants. Wow things are escalating quickly here.
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On October 13 2017 06:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:
You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. dude what the heck, you townread him for the post then you now just waffled back to calling him mafia not just yet??? #vote rux I think this is a good catch.
I also feel wary about Damerion, though his Fecalfeast read is very likely correct.
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lol RuXxar what are you doing you're burying yourself here. The response to being pushed for babbling is not to continue babbling and giving out generic coaching tips.
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I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia.
In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy.
On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post?
On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive?
I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster
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On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town.
I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare.
Hurricane:
On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote: Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia
On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote: I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter.
On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote: filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy
On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote: I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2:
On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote: I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town.
On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 25 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote: because that is the same meta geript uses on me all the time I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote: I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post: On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote: I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks. Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.1/20 If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim. The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote: I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote: For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia. I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote: Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen.
On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote: And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia.
In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful.
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On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:24 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster to me he just looks like he pushes his own agenda and doesn't give a shit really http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526062-names-are-hard-2?user=OatsmasterI'm not seeing what you're seeing, so can you explain how he looks different in the first two games compared to this one? I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote: Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote: I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote: filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote: I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote: I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 25 2017 06:44 Tumblewood wrote: because that is the same meta geript uses on me all the time I am not sure if i believe this so this is a reminder to myself to check something on this tomorrow. It's not exactly true... From Generic: On July 14 2017 03:12 geript wrote: I remember TW when he was a newbie. I remember his not being boring/dull/. Like he had some good observations (wrong but good) then. His scum game IIRC was much lower activity and struggled to post almost anything. He's likely a good lynch too. The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. On August 25 2017 06:21 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 06:14 geript wrote:I kinda like TW for town. Mostly because of this post: On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote: I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else In part for flippant in part because Town!TW says what he thinks. Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird.1/20 If you want to make 20 posts. It is better that you explain everything you claim. The bolded is completely unexplained and gives us nothing. LS is easy to read. I don't see why it is weird and I townread Damdred and Vivax for seeing it and calling it early. It generates discussion and easy townreads make mafia nervous. Mafia doesn't like easy townreads you see. Then they make comments like you just did. A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. On August 25 2017 06:55 Koshi wrote: I dislike he scumreads me. Especially because he scumreads me because I don't meta townread rayn for a reason I would not meta read rayn town for. On August 25 2017 07:21 Koshi wrote: For the record. I recognize the points made against Skynx. I do not know if it makes him mafia. I think there is a chance still that he is town that made a very bad post.
geript on the other hand came in with a typical lazy mafia post. As town something in the thread would have triggered him, something about Koshi, rayn, HF or Vivax. Even Damdred maybe. But because he is mafia and lazy nothing really did, so he made an easy TW comment because he is "helping". When rayn confronted him he had to make something up and called rayn town and in the same breath called Koshi mafia because he isn't calling rayn town.
I do not believe town!geript makes that koshi read only after surrendering a town!rayn read. I think town!geript would have made that Koshi read while catching up and would have posted that instead of the TW town read.
I do believe mafia geript played lazy and showed face.
This is my read. Accept it. Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote: Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 17:58 Vivax wrote: And geript ACTUALLY posted a townie seal, why is he even up for discussion. 100 % confirmed town. No, 90% for adding a lot of text I will read later. But it really wasn't necessary with the seal. Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games.
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Happykrogan is almost certainly town.
RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
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On October 14 2017 06:08 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:On October 13 2017 06:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:
You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. dude what the heck, you townread him for the post then you now just waffled back to calling him mafia not just yet??? #vote rux I think this is a good catch.I also feel wary about Damerion, though his Fecalfeast read is very likely correct. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia.
In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy.
So Grack. You called this a good catch from oats then right after you called him mafia. That doesn't add up in my head. It seems too drastic a flip without even questioning oats about any of this posts. The bottom thing that you bolded was referring to a few different posts that I referenced below in my post that you took out.
I do agree with him calling out that post from you since your original view seemed to be that Happy's posts didn't seem forced and then you replied to Damerion that his posts were forced but not scummy. I definitely wouldn't call it a drastic flip to scum read him though just because he had a post I agreed with.
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On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia.
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He posts a lot as mafia too I know.
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On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This.
I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea.
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On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post.
Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
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On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse.
I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post.
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On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply I did try to convince you/Ruxxar but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now a lot of what I'm working off of is just a feel for whose posting seems weird to me out of the people I've played with before.
That won't be worth much in convincing people unless other people who have played with him also feel that his posting is different, which it seems like they don't.
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Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote?
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I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
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As for Damerion I don't really see the problem here. I knows there's a decent chance that I'm wrong on my read so I'm not going to just ignore him or try to bury him because I don't think that would be smart play.
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On October 15 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote: Onegu did the exact same thing afking last game and was town, Conversion, it's just a 50/50 whether he's mafia so to have him as your biggest scum read is somewhat of a giant cop out when there's a plethora of people posting. nah it's a 21.4/78.6 because probabilities.
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On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote: Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded.
But I figured you meant to say Lonelylock/Conversion was town v town, which I would absolutely agree with.
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On October 15 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:18 Grackaroni wrote:On October 15 2017 02:16 Damdred wrote: Im going backslide a bit, if there is a scum between conversion and df its df.
Hot take Seconded. But I figured you meant to say Lonelylock/Conversion was town v town, which I would absolutely agree with. I agree with both assessments doctor Gracky we should begin removal of the contaimenent immediately. Excellent Damdred good sir.
But which sorry sod should we remove? I'm pretty well contented with my Oatsmaster vote at this here present juncture.
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You also missed the well esteemed lord Grack of house Aroni in your list post.
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On October 15 2017 02:52 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:50 Grackaroni wrote: You also missed the well esteemed lord Grack of house Aroni in your list post. You've been posting? I guess I'll stick with my buddy Damdred who appreciates my good company.
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On October 15 2017 02:59 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:29 Fecalfeast wrote: scumish oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess
Can you expound on this? I want to know what you're refering to. He seems like he's grumpy and while that may not be too different from normal oats it feels to me like he's trying to be adversarial rather than actually find mafia lol sniped
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On October 15 2017 03:22 Conversion wrote:I'm calm and content with the fact that I am bad at this game I would still like this question answered mr. clock man. where'd you go Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:02 Conversion wrote: you also completely ignore the fact that Damdred ignored your question, and you never followed up with it. what's up with that? Damdred/grack thoughts on Xen post? leaning towards sheeping HF right now.. Maybe he's mafia but I don't think he's the best lynch today. If he starts posting more freely later he will be easier to read I think.
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If I had to guess I think Xenonn played the sc2 version of mafia which is based very heavily on roles and night actions.
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I could be down with murdering HF.
Just putting that out there for any Damdreds that may be listening if they want to make a big play.
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I don't trust you this game. We have a lot of obv towns in this game and you chose this game to heavily push a day 1 lynch based on a case that I don't think is that great when you usually sit back and PoE.
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On October 15 2017 05:52 darthfoley wrote: probably tvt considering it's 10 minutes before deadline and no one is budging IT'S GOING DOWN DF
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On October 15 2017 06:13 darthfoley wrote: and i led the train on mafia in the last two games*
expecting a long winded and respectful apology from the likes of HF lol see up the template.
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I think this is pretty straightforward.
Lynch pool should be HF/FF/Oats/Onegu/myself and the afk guy. I don't think this was SvS.
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That game has another 24 hours of thumb twiddling.
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You said earlier that you think somebody bussed... but who? The people voting Conversion were for the most part already the towniest people. DF was the person that started the Conversion lynch so I think that makes him much less likely.
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On October 15 2017 08:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 08:23 Grackaroni wrote: I think this is pretty straightforward.
Lynch pool should be HF/FF/Oats/Onegu/myself and the afk guy. I don't think this was SvS. Why does your lynch pool include people who didn't even vote to save conversion btw? Why didn't they just vote damerion then? I mostly just grabbed the people not on the lynch and took off Xenon.
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I don't like HF's idea but I still want to be in the cool kids club.
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On October 15 2017 12:38 Holyflare wrote: Then why did he vote oats instead of you? He'll have to give his own reason. I think it's plausible he thought Oats was a good lynch. The post you quoted was from a while ago. After that post he talks about me and also mentions Oats not responding to my accusation.
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Also he wouldn't vote me since I had no votes.
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HF/Onegu or Oatsmaster/Onegu.
Without reading anything beyond Damerion's post I quite like that idea. Mafia probably aren't going to just stack all 3 people on the Damerion lynch.
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Ok look at when Damerion town reads Oats. It is at the start of the game when he is asked by Mr Lonelyclock what he though of Oats, and the read is based off of series of posts where he questions Ruxxar, which were posts that I also liked from Oats. He gave this read before I pointed out things about Oats' tone. Later on he does seem to walk back his Oats read a bit saying that he found it interesting that Oats ignored my accusation.
I think it's way more likely that his read changed without him updating it as town and believed the lynch to be TvT than that he panicked and voted off wagon because he was too afraid to bus when one of the two of them was very likely to die anyway.
Plus his posts have been way townier in this game than the other one imo. His thought process seems much more in depth whereas the other one I would have scum read him if I wasn't scum. That game it looked like he just chose a scum read and then went through the motions of asking people to kill him every so often rather than actually making an attempt to solve the game.
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On October 16 2017 07:42 Holyflare wrote: Grackaroni is absolutely mafia if Damerion is town.
This is a legitimately solid read. We'll see how that pans out.
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On October 16 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote: I may have made a huge mistake where I didn't realise Conversion was voting Damerion. ...
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Actually I think we should kill Fecalfeast. His scum reads are all just the 3 people who took pressure yesterday plus he was one of the people on the Damerion wagon and I noticed this call out from Darthfoley.
On October 14 2017 07:17 darthfoley wrote:Okay, so i really like happykrogan guy. Which makes me also like HF, because he drew the same conclusion that I did: I doubt a newbie like krogan would be this active and not be afraid to call someone out as first time mafia. I think ruxxar is town, but I can understand why people-- especially new players-- might interpret his play as mafia. I also think Oats is more likely town than not. He was one of the first players to get the game moving, and I like his pressure on the LonelyClock dude. Still waiting for an answer on this, I think Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 14:49 MrLonelyClock wrote:
I agreed about ruxxar posting fluff. Me voting on ruxxar != me thinking he is mafia atm. But I can see how you could come to that conclusion now. I guess we will have to disagree on the counterpoints validity.
So why are you voting for him? Don't like Damdred or FF right now. FF: Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 00:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Like I said early on, ruxxar is trying too hard Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 01:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Tbh i think ruxxar not giving a shit seems towny This progression is odd and without any sort of explanation. The first post also doesn't say anything. People can try hard from either alignment. Also strikes me as odd that he's scum reading Damerion for unearned town read on FF... Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 14 2017 02:45 MrLonelyClock wrote: fecal if you think ruxxar is towny then who do you think currently is the most scummy then (can be 1 or more)? Damerion for giving me a town read for basocally no reason. Seems tmi to me When Damdred has somehow managed to townread like 6 people and put them into "no lynch" pile just 24h into the game. Yet no mention of Damdred. It's like he doesn't exist. Speaking of Damdred Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:21 Damdred wrote: Ok, so I feel a little guilty at this point in time and I will try to be tge old Damdred this game.
Fact check away on my reads this train aint got no breaks and i aint got time to quote on phone.
Town Reads:
Damerion, he has this thing he does as town where he will have this skrt of mission statement about how he will approach the game. He has checked that, he gives clear concise reada with hard reasoning behind it, done. He also seems to try to draw people into conversation instead of existing.
Rux rux baby: Off the cuff read, the eay he responds to the pressure is town. Does t care, tries to be helpful and then establishes where he wants to be in the game. I think hes just going to be town for the tone and the lressure, but his reads were not bad.
If anyone tries to lynch rux at least today I will let slip the dogs of war and create chaos.
FF: Hey buddy we should work together, care free attitude. Gives some opinions still a bit weak on a few points, overall would not kynch today.
Gracky: Posts his thoughts, goes against thread sentiment a post or two ago. Seems to be looking where others dont, no lynch today.
Oats: Seemed to be reading the game a d his lressure wasnt horrid. It is defi ately not top town worthy but enough for a pass.
Xenon and nylonelylock are both town i feel for how they approached the game as newbs. Meh they were soitting fire earlier
Everyone else is in this null range besides hf who I love dearly but am ignoring until he wants cuddles. Besides the fact that Damdred has only given vague town/null leans on virtually every active player, one read sticks out to me as more scummy than others. Damdred's read on FF feels fabricated. FF "gives some opinions" but FF is "weak on a few points" yet Damdred would still not lynch him today. He never specifies what points he's weak on, doesn't try to follow up with FF and clarify those "weak points." Talk about an unearned town read. So I have no idea why FF isn't scum reading Damdred considering his self imposed criteria regarding Damerion.
In the last game FF slipped by carelessly saying that he would just sheep HF without noticing that HF was pushing somebody he was town reading. He went from calling Ruxxar scum for trying too hard to calling him town because he doesn't give a shit in an hour, and it was around the time people's opinion of Ruxxar seemed to be shifting.
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On October 18 2017 06:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2017 06:48 Damdred wrote: Half of the game did nothing today but afk a vote on ff, your point isnt very good about that ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On October 18 2017 15:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2017 14:51 Grackaroni wrote:On October 18 2017 06:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 18 2017 06:48 Damdred wrote: Half of the game did nothing today but afk a vote on ff, your point isnt very good about that ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? you think that damdred is making a point that makes sense at all? I mostly just wanted to write a lot of question marks.
But yeah I don't know why you're focusing so hard on Damdred.
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On October 18 2017 15:44 Holyflare wrote: So grack how are you gonna defend Damerion's oat read next? lol
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Oats is probably town. I thought his posts seemed awkward early on but he seems more in his element to me now. Basing the read off of the interaction with Conversion is kind of meh to me but Damerion did look at my interactions with Fecalfeast in the last game to justify a scum read on us.
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And for Oats, I agree that Damdred is kind of drifting along. It seems like he was scum reading me for my Damerion post, which I don't even understand since he also is reading Damerion town as far as I can tell. But his tone seems townie to me. Does Damdred usually lead lynches or hard push certain people as scum? If not I don't see what your problem with his play is. I think he's usually a PoE list kind of player.
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Also HF why are you writing all of this analysis about people's votes without reading the end of the day? Onegu and I both were there for shenannies.
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lol well I don't like reading paragraphs about me that are pretty much entirely wrong.
+ Show Spoiler + Grack: voted oats, defended damerion even though he said he was wary of him on day 1, hard defended him n1, could have potentially voted damerion to save conversion but seemed married to oats vote and not really bothered (was he afk at deadline too?)
I wasn't married to an Oats vote I switched to Ruxxar at the end. I was just being lazy and hoping that somebody else like Damdred would start a shenanny for me.
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On October 18 2017 10:42 ruXxar wrote: Onegu failing to vote I’m going to take as a town sign cause fuck it.
This strikes me as strange. And Onegu/Ruxxar are both in my POE at the moment.
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I think it's because at the start of the post he is complaining about afks and nonvoters.
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On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely. Conversation flows naturally. Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Yeah ok I'm the scummer.
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On October 18 2017 17:37 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2017 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely. Conversation flows naturally. Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Yeah ok I'm the scummer. Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely. Conversation flows naturally. Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:19 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think Conversion is a good lynch he seems very relaxed to me.
Notice the time stamp. Grack called Conversion relaxed after DF started pushing him. Here's conversions posts between my read, and gracks read. He's definitely not "relaxed" here. + Show Spoiler +On October 15 2017 01:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote: I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote: can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people. Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter. @ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now. I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc. The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town On October 15 2017 01:04 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:48 Damerion wrote:Once again hello and like the proverbial Santa Clause I have brought a most interesting gift that I wish the thread to take a stance on and give their thoughts, and gut leanings. Firstly I read the Grackaroni and Oatsmaster exchanges and did not think much on it but as I was checking filters something very interesting popped out on me. The interesting thing is how Grackaroni treats Oatsmaster to start with and how he ends up treating him. On October 14 2017 03:10 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to give a read that I don't think too many people will agree with but I think Oatsmaster is mafia. In this game he seems less chill compared to Hurricane and I get the sense in a few posts that he's questioning things that look unusual rather than things that I think he would normally find scummy. On October 13 2017 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 07:59 Fecalfeast wrote: Damdred trying to pocket damerion, ruxxar ignoring oats calling him a liar. Relevant? We shall see. whats the point of this post? On October 13 2017 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 13 2017 09:10 Damdred wrote:
But seriously pocmeting people is super impkrtant in the long run for survival Can you explain why a townie wants to pocket people to survive? I left links so you can decide for yourself between the first two pages of each game, but it seems to me like he cares more about his image in this game than the other one. (he was town in hurricane.) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Oatsmasterhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster We first have his original read on Oats, it was novel at the time. He has something original to show the thread and does so, it gains him some surface town credit from several members of the town. On October 14 2017 03:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 03:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 14 2017 03:50 Grackaroni wrote:I'm going to guess that Oats is town in that game you linked and check before I post. Yeah ok HF/Damdred/Onegu were scum but obviously town is always a more likely guess since more people roll town. I do think he looks pretty different in both of those games in the way that he accuses people. In those 2 he throws out accusations without much fanfare. Hurricane: On September 29 2017 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 11:23 Damerion wrote: Hello, I am glad to be here playing with you fine people. Damdred speaks highly of everyone here, and I hope the game is enjoyable.
I have two things that came to mind when I read what little of the game there is.
1) Grackaroni opening post, to put it bluntly is trash. At the same time he says nothing of value and tries to buddy fecalfeast (I assume) into making an alliance when it is impossible for him to know alignments.
Unless he is mafia, which associative read incoming means FecalFeast is more likely town for the way Grackaroni interacted with him.
2) I have come up with a pretty simple plan how to approach d1.
Step one: The marksman (vig), should claim as soon as town agrees with this plan (which they should).
Step two: We should use this power as a second lynch and have a vote in thread to direct the power.
Step three: Mafia is more than likely forced into a situation where they must let the Vigilante shoot and kill him, or roleblock him. The simplest solution is to put the watcher on the Vigilante N1.
Step Four: The medic should be off doing medic things more than likely on another target, if the mafia send the godfather and kill the Vigilante nothing is lost, if they roleblock him we instantly have a one and one trade.
Step Five: I assume medic cannot protect multiple nights in a row, therefore if the Vigilante survives the medic should protect him here and the Watcher should look elsewhere.
This plan gives us the most information that we can control and boxes the mafia into only a few moves they can make early in the game.
I think we should follow this plan. mafia On September 29 2017 15:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 12:21 Damerion wrote: I am unsure why you have me as mafia Oatsmaster, could you expound on why you think that?
Vivax why is directing blues in that way not pro-town? We would gain a good bit of information by controlling multiple lynches or kp, and have confirmed town for multiple days leading the town towards a strong circle.
mainly because having a second lynch really doesnt matter. On September 29 2017 16:37 Oatsmaster wrote: filter links plz
i think its pretty scumy On September 30 2017 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 29 2017 22:48 Vivax wrote: I really have no idea what is wrong with my statement. It didn't bother me much when Oats pointed it out since his read on me is always shit, but to both of you it should be obvious that it simply means claiming afk = claiming scum and if two mafias claimed scum already, then the game will be too easy and boring.
With HF there's a decent chance he actually just said it cause he did it as mafia just last game and he thinks it's funny to mess with the reads on him. But for Koshi I see no such excuse. lol Names are Hard 2: On August 26 2017 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:On August 25 2017 05:44 Koshi wrote: I am pretty unhappy TW, LS and Damdred left the thread. nope i'm still here i just haven't cared enough to say anything else mafia On August 25 2017 06:21 geript wrote:On August 25 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript are you town? I'm the towniest of all. Also, I'm pretty sure that Koshi is mafia. His post towards you and asking about Damdred's townread is pretty out of place. As Town, you love to lynch stupid; it's like your kryptonite. But as mafia you have much less of a hardon for stupid from what I've seen and just push 85% bullshit. Koshi not getting this after the last two games is pretty odd; especially since Tina brought it up in generic and Koshi was bussing her at various points. mafia geript doesnt actually care about getting koshi lynched. He just wants to sidetrack town. On August 26 2017 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: I was giving rayn his time to talk to Skynx while watching Impractical Jokers. Skynx being a bit combative towards rayn hmm. Is this normal behavior from Skynx as either alignment for those who got good amount of experience playing with him? Useless question. On August 25 2017 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:On August 25 2017 08:06 geript wrote:[quote] It's not exactly true... From Generic: [quote] The thing is that during the last abortion of a game, when I was reading TW (in MS Paint Judge mafia) I was comparing him to older games to get can idea of any other meta reads I could use to push him. It's something that I noticed from his town play and something that HF picked up and agreed with in the game. [quote] A few things here: 1. Only bad mafia hate early townreads. Like it's often quite easy to call someone town, move them into a situation where they look bad, rescind the townread and push them for lynch. I am not bad mafia. 2. LS in at least 1 game (though as far as I remembered multiple games) as scum has mimicked his "town puppy" persona to get townread and survived until endgame on it. Passing around a bad read is on the other hand makes it easy for scum to blend in. Hell, last game I basically literally just took what town was already thinking, repackaged it into nicer, newer, and better thinking and sold it as my own. [quote] [quote] Who's getting mad about early townreads now Koshi? Koshi is scumreading me for scumreading him for not townreading rayn. Silliness aside. Hold with me, it's a bit circuitous but it's here. I've made it quite obvious on numerous occasions that I fucking hate playing scum when HF is town; as such, when I'm scum I basically become his thread bitch because I don't know how else to buy time in order to gain control of the thread until I get to NK HF. But the same is not true of Rayn. I know how to fuck with Rayn's head as mafia; I know what he looks at and looks for and can throw out a hook to get him super distracted. 1. As mafia, I gain nothing by giving Rayn an early townread and actually surrender thread control; which btw, I don't do as mafia (except for HF or maybe Marv but Marv because he's a fucking sexy beast). So his argument is not only bad, it's also incorrect. Vivax I haven't really played with in a while and I haven't had a correct read on him for a long time. Damdred I read town for how he reads people with "Damdred" reads and how he shows specific lines of thinking as town that he doesn't as scum. HF I read based on what he's pushing and why he's pushing; it's kinda a feels read but mostly based on him pushing "good things." Rayn I read based on what he's pushing and how he pushes; he likes to lynch bad as town and picks up on completely different things as mafia (example the Judge game where almost every time he came in the thread he pushed stupid shit that was bad). 2. When I make a read on Rayn for doing town!Rayn things, it's me being scum. When I don't comment on things about Vivax, HF, or Damdred because I'm either lacking any way to accurately read them (Vivax), I haven't seen them do things to read them town yet (Damdred), or I'm getting mixed vibes from (HF), then I'm scum. When I post about Koshi, I'm both scum for something not triggering me to post something about him AND scum for posting what I posted. Like, that's a pretty fucking weird argument for Koshi to be making at the same time; he's usually a bit more lazy as scum, and arguing both sides of the coin in the same post is pretty fucking weird for Town!Koshi to do. 3. Come at me bro 3/20 Yes I know I fooled people in the past in 2 of my scum games but Damdred usually gets me right except a few times when he either almost gets me mislynched or actually got me lynched on shannies. Damdred helped me a bit on my scum game I will tell you that as he was in a scum team with me where we almost won had it not been for sicklucker not giving a shit for a couple of cells (Cell Millionaire). Trust Damdred's read on me. Its interesting(scummy) how he says "trust" damdred's read when he doesnt know damdred's alignment. Or does he??? On August 25 2017 08:39 LightningStrike wrote: Side note I think Damdred could be town this game as well as rayn and Koshi just need them to stop fighting each other. Also this is a pretty big "side" note that LS just brushes under. He isnt trying to find mafia, hes just going with the status quo and waiting for things to happen. On August 26 2017 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 25 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote:On August 25 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote: [quote]
Has he ever posted it before? No idea but the idea is so abstruse to think of as mafia that I have to take it at face value. Uneccesary town read without an alternative. possible mafia. In this game I get the sense that he's putting on more of a show of pressuring people and looking useful. I don't see it grack. His tone is no different this game than from those games you quoted. Is your main issue that he doesn't use the word "Mafia" when calling out people? Because I think that is a weak argument when the message is still delivered with the same intention, tone and intensity. Well you're either going to see it or you won't. I do think there is a noticeable difference in Oats' posting and it's not just that he didn't say mafia like he did in those other two games. I have choosen to show the larger quote of the conversation between RuxXar and Grackaroni. Grackaroni is sure about his read on Oatsmaster and tries to convince based off of past tonal differences and approach to the game. At this point I do not see anything really bad about the approach. On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 06:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Happykrogan is almost certainly town. RuXxar is also the only player silly enough to think that drawing suspicion to himself would be a good town plan. + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote: Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious.
Have you seen any of ruxxs mafia games? I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:36 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 08:05 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote: [quote] I think I've skimmed some of them from when I played with him as town but I don't think I've ever seen him play mafia. so why do you use a meta read to townread someone when you have no idea how they would play as mafia??? TMI??!? Grack wasn’t metareading ruxxar as town there, he was jut statig ruxxar was the only one silly enough to vouch drawing suspicion as a good town play. Not really seeing where you saw him draw a metaread conclusion This. I wasn't calling him town in that post. I was saying that only he could possibly think that doing that would be a good idea. but "good town plan" implies that you think hes town. Like come on dude. Stop waffling. Otherwise it would be "xx scum plan". I don't know why I always have to have these arguments with you when they always revolve around you not being able to understand a post. Here's what he said: + Show Spoiler +"To me there's two ways to solve the game.
There's the active way, were you make reads, pressure and push people. This is what people refer to when they say "Solving the game". Aka what oats is doing.
Then there's the passive way, where you make yourself vulnerable and allow people to push you. This requires you to make yourself a target that people want to engage with, by performing actions that people find dubious."
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town. On October 14 2017 09:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I said that he would be the only one who could possibly think that this would be pro-town because it's a silly way to play and not pro-town.
but if hes mafia he doesnt think its protown and therefore you think hes town because you believe that he thinks he is doing something protown It could be that he's town and think it's smart town play or he could be mafia and still think that it's pro-town or maybe he just got a lot of attention as mafia and thinks that is a passable excuse. I think no matter what he thinks it's a reasonable sentence, but I wasn't really trying to place any particular inference onto the post. On October 14 2017 15:41 Grackaroni wrote: Oats do you like your Ruxxar vote? Now, his approach and tone towards Oatsmaster has completely changed. He is speaking to him and with him as if he is town and is trying to figure out common ground that they can work on. Grackaroni vote is still on Oatsmaster, he has tried to convince people that Oatsmaster is scum. But the approach he takes towards him does not make sense for someone with a scum read on said person. Oatsmaster nonresponse to Grackaroni posts is interesting as well. But its not quite uo to the level I just pointed out. Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. To me it just seems like Grack is not confident in his read, as no one seems to really be backing him up Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:38 Grackaroni wrote:On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply I did try to convince you/Ruxxar but that's not an easy thing to do. Right now a lot of what I'm working off of is just a feel for whose posting seems weird to me out of the people I've played with before. That won't be worth much in convincing people unless other people who have played with him also feel that his posting is different, which it seems like they don't. I don't know how scum Grack plays, but it seems pretty bad to pin someone as scum and do a soft "I'm might be backing out of this read b/c now I'm unsure with no one agreeing with me" On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote: I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote: can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am On October 15 2017 00:55 Conversion wrote: like, not to OMGUS you but literally this entire thread so far has been non-accusatory except grack on oats, ruxxar vs krogan, and then Xen being on the mafia pedestal due to his shitty posts.. and I think he's a bad lynch because he's a newbie, so feel free to contribute On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote: I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote: can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) On October 15 2017 01:13 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 01:07 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 01:00 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:58 darthfoley wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote:On October 14 2017 21:35 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 07:19 darthfoley wrote: I'll give attention to Conversion and Damerion in a bit, but I remember liking Conversion's post on first read through Can I get these some time? I thought you were relatively townie until I read your filter. You're basically just being a thread policeman and debate moderator. Which I don't like. It's actually pretty impressive at how many questions you've asked without actually saying anything yourself. + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:42 happykrogan wrote:On October 13 2017 23:40 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 23:38 happykrogan wrote: So you're my coach now? II think the questions you asked conversion about conversion about damerion and holyflare about lonelyclock just have pretty obvious answers and could be just there for the reason that the people see that you ask questions.
flood control appeared and I have to wait... I would have posted this immedieatly otherwise
? No need to be so defensive. I'm just explaining my thoughts, on my opinion, in my brain, as to why you can be scummy see how that works? I don't care if you post immediately. wasn't there a way to request flood control be turned off for new players in mafia? The "you're my coach now" was a question to ruxxar. I actually liked your post and see it as a tip. ah okay. sorry if I sounded like a dick.. been trying to rein that in latelyShow nested quote +On October 14 2017 09:11 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 14 2017 08:10 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 08:08 Oatsmaster wrote: He didnt say "mafia wont do that", he specifically said "rux will only do that as town" I mean.. I don’t think he specifically SAID those exact words, but semantics. do you have a point that you want to make about gracks read on rux? Because right now it looks like you are arguing about it for the sake of arguing Grack isn’t making any real read besides on you, which was based on a meta read he wasn’t trying to convince me or ruxxar.. so idk I just find it interesting you ignored that fact and slammed him on something he wasn’t intending to imply Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:36 Conversion wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. are you going to townread and PoE more?
are you around? Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:37 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 12:48 MrLonelyClock wrote:On October 14 2017 12:32 xenonn40 wrote:On October 14 2017 11:06 MrLonelyClock wrote: Hey xennon I see you voted for oatsmaster. Any reason? You haven't posted anything for a while and nothing worthwhile. Why the vote without explanation? Because I think Rex is town, and Oatsmaster is the only alternative at the moment, and the first to vote for Rex. Why do you think ruxxar (im assuming thats rex) is town? Likewise why is oatsmaster the only alternative compared to everyone else? Let me know what prompted you to come to these conclusions. +1 don't ninja vote without participating in the thread. doesn't help town at all Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 21:41 Conversion wrote:On October 14 2017 17:46 ruXxar wrote: He calls krogans read on me the best read in the game, yet he makes no effort at all to push it any further. After the strong salvo of encouragement for krogan, he just let it drop and appears to have lost all interest.
I'm parking my vote on HF as the most likely mafia for the moment. In any case I hope it makes him wake up and show some interest in the game.
##vote Holyflare How I read the quote is that krogan made the best read of the game in terms of content, but it might not be good enough to sheep onto? idk also coolTLName is pulling a Rels D1? he hasn't posted yet Bolded quotes just seem way too passive and without direction. No conclusions. Soft ball questions that don't really probe anything There's also this On October 13 2017 20:43 Conversion wrote: can’t really read df or grack, but that’s not really suprising since I couldn’t before anyways. null
oats is a tad bit aggressive for my taste but I think that’s just how he plays from what I’m observing. can any vets confirm? ruxxar sort confirmed in my last question
damerion slayed last game so I’m gonna put him in the wary pile as I do with all great players
HF being HF... less fiery though (burnt out maybe?) sorry I still don’t and won’t fully 100% townread you (although I say that and always end up townreading :l) I do like that we had same thoughts about lonelyclock man
FF being fluffy and vague but last time I pushed for his lynch he flipped town.. don’t like his play really
Pretty sure i've played one game with you... ever. First sentence seems like an unnecessary qualifier to back up a null read really early in the game. Maybe you shouldn't have reminded me to look back over your filter and this matters why? I've played one game with Grack too, does that mean I should confidently say that I can read every single person I've played one game with? I've played like 4 games on TL. If you want to read my filter because I reminded you and scumread me for it, then go ahead.. why would I discourage anyone to not read my filter? I'm keeping you at a hard null because you did nothing with your posts as you say I did myself, and I can barely read anyone correctly (re: 0% scum lynch rate unless I sheep someone/they admit to it) My point is that no one will have a "good read" on someone else after only playing one game with them. You claiming that you don't have a good read on me or grack makes it sound like it's some historical trend, when it was just one game-- and a super themed game at that. Your evasion of my legitimate questions and concerns are noted though. I've done much more with my posts than you have, but even if I hadn't, that's irrelevant to you not doing anything with your posts-- an idea you haven't denied I'm not evading your legitimate questions or concerns? You posted your thoughts, the thread can interpret it as they see fit. There's nothing else for you to note, you already think I'm scummy and you can move on with that and evaluate my behavior. Also on what measuring stick are you 'doing more' with your posts? 80% of your filter is fluff, except your one big post on an interaction/opinion piece on FF/Damdred... go reread your own filter and tell me what objectively you are doing more than I am You aren't defending yourself from my accusation, you're throwing it back at me with "no you!" OMGUS. I don't care about how the thread "interprets it as they see fit," I care about your explanations for you effectively playing mafia moderator without ever injecting original thoughts. You keep +1'ing or piggybacking on other people. Even this post is so passive and lacking direction. You aren't trying to determine my alignment. You're telling me to reread my filter. @ thread: i'm fine with a Conversion/Damdred/FF lynch pool for now. I mean.. if you want a read you're town. You're throwing the same accusations as you did when we played in CCCP. The jist of it is that Conversion just exists, doesn't do much, etc. The problem with you reading me is that.. this is how I play. and I flipped town in CCCP when you accused me of being mafia even until end game. I flipped town even when people accused me of being mafia because I was wishy washy/my entrance was terrible/I'm not pushing much. so enlighten me as to what's different about this game compared to that one? If I'm understanding your case correctly, it's that I'm passive, not really taking a side, not really pushing anything, I haven't even done that as town His posts still seem fine to me tbh. Also you colored yourself in red.
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On October 19 2017 06:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Damn I'm salty lol.
I really want to talk to grack though I am here for chatting.
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On October 19 2017 06:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2017 07:42 Grackaroni wrote: Ok look at when Damerion town reads Oats. It is at the start of the game when he is asked by Mr Lonelyclock what he though of Oats, and the read is based off of series of posts where he questions Ruxxar, which were posts that I also liked from Oats. He gave this read before I pointed out things about Oats' tone. Later on he does seem to walk back his Oats read a bit saying that he found it interesting that Oats ignored my accusation.
I think it's way more likely that his read changed without him updating it as town and believed the lynch to be TvT than that he panicked and voted off wagon because he was too afraid to bus when one of the two of them was very likely to die anyway.
Plus his posts have been way townier in this game than the other one imo. His thought process seems much more in depth whereas the other one I would have scum read him if I wasn't scum. That game it looked like he just chose a scum read and then went through the motions of asking people to kill him every so often rather than actually making an attempt to solve the game. Can you lay out where damerion's thought process is in depth and compare it to the last game where he was town? And give us a conclusion? Cause right now, you are sitting on the fence on whether damerion is town. I think his post about the way I talked to you after scum reading you and his post about Onegu both showed that he was spending more time thinking about alignments than from what I saw in the last game.
And I've been more on the town side of the fence on Damerion for a while now - at least before the day 1 lynch.
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Onegu/Xennon/Ruxxar/HF is my lynch group. I'll figure out which one I want in a little bit.
Right now I'm playing sc2 and apparently I'm autistic because I beat some dude in a starcraft game. I'm learning so much about myself today.
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I can really feel the emotion.
I think you need another float.
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What happened to you killing me??
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OK I read a bunch of filters and I'm going with a Ruxxar lynch. He thought Damerion's posts were townie and had a weak reason to reconsider voting for Damerion at the end of the day, which was a push being made by his scum read HF.
On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Let me entertain you with some reads. Xenon+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. This is a strong opening statement from a newbie. Expecting more timidness from a first timer scum. Damerion+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. Strong and clear reads. Consistent meta from last game. On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him. Earnest and genuine request. Has a carefree and playful touch to it. Oatsmaster+ Show Spoiler +Is being his typical hard headed self. Straight to the point. No sugar coating, even abrasive to some. Is lacking in reading comprehension,but puts himself way out there. Unlikely to come from mafia.
MyLonelyLock+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts. Strong accusations straight out of the gate. Honest and genuine tone. Does not filter or sugar coat his opinion. Can clearly see through to the intentions behind his post with no apparent malicious agenda. Not expected from newbie mafia. Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely. Conversation flows naturally. Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Happykrogan+ Show Spoiler +Was initially green. Moved down after this post. On October 14 2017 00:06 happykrogan wrote: Because of Holyflare's posts my lean is now a read BTW Was having a lean on me, but afraid to commit without the backing/validation of another player Holyflare Grackaroni Fecalfeast Onegu Damdred coolTLname darthfoley
On October 15 2017 02:26 ruXxar wrote: Lynching damerion is the absolutely dumbest thing we can do right now.
On October 15 2017 03:39 ruXxar wrote:After re-reading damerions posts, I don't feel a strong need to defend him anymore. His response to getting asked for scum reads is losing him a lot of town points. Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote: Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated.
If anyone bussed this game I guarantee that it was Ruxxar who wrote out a post to say that he has changed his read on Conversion after FF/DF/Mr. Lonelyclock pushed him and that he is open to considering lynching him. The bus was never going to be Damdred, who town read both Damerion/Conversion, didn't make any effort to shennany, and then voted off Conversion without any setup for his vote. To me this looks like a bus post.
On October 15 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote: oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks I agree with this sentiment. Darthfoley is either clearly town or/and more experienced than conversion. Darth foley came out of that interaction looking way better than conversion. I felt conversion was squirming around clamoring to any defense he could muster up. I think you need to calm down conversion and refocus your effort. I feel like right now your reads are all over the place and you're having trouble staying above water. Take a short breather and clear your mind. I was on the edge of changing my vote to conversion seeing as how that went down, but I'm holding back a bit after you bounced back a bit with the list post. -- The secondary red flag is xenon. His post explaining his vote was terrible. I'm awaiting his explanation before pursuing further action.
Also in that post he makes an attempt to push Xennon, who he was also town reading earlier, but he doesn't defend the scum read when HF questions him on it.
On October 15 2017 02:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:42 Holyflare wrote: NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now Yes he's lynchbait, but lets give him a chance to explain his vote shall we?
And he questions FF about an Oats lynch when he completely shut down my Oats tone push earlier in the day,
On October 15 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 02:29 Fecalfeast wrote: scumish oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess
Can you expound on this? I want to know what you're refering to. Plus from Conversion's filter Ruxxar seems like the most likely partner to me. So that's my vote.
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On October 21 2017 05:37 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 05:27 Grackaroni wrote:OK I read a bunch of filters and I'm going with a Ruxxar lynch. He thought Damerion's posts were townie and had a weak reason to reconsider voting for Damerion at the end of the day, which was a push being made by his scum read HF. On October 14 2017 03:07 ruXxar wrote:Let me entertain you with some reads. Xenon+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 14:19 xenonn40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:10 happykrogan wrote:Hi I'm really relieved that I'm just a normal VT in my first game. Exactly what I hoped for Sounds like something a mafia would say. This is a strong opening statement from a newbie. Expecting more timidness from a first timer scum. Damerion+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. Strong and clear reads. Consistent meta from last game. On October 13 2017 06:47 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:43 ruXxar wrote:On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. You got 2 out of 3 right. Not bad! Krogans post might look forced, but it's not indicative of mafia just yet. I agree it is not quite mafia indicative as of yet, however it is worth watching how he develops as the game goes on. If he continues to be so forced it will be worth connecting, if he does not well it was just a newer person being a bit difficult. And I really wish that Damdred would post more than just a random list, I miss the days when I would look forward to reading his posts and mighty cases. Now he is just a sheep I must shepherd across the finish line who sometimes pouts and hides his head nobody listens to him. Earnest and genuine request. Has a carefree and playful touch to it. Oatsmaster+ Show Spoiler +Is being his typical hard headed self. Straight to the point. No sugar coating, even abrasive to some. Is lacking in reading comprehension,but puts himself way out there. Unlikely to come from mafia.
MyLonelyLock+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2017 10:38 MrLonelyClock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 06:38 Damerion wrote: Hello good people of TLMafia, it is pleasurable that we meet again.
Firstly I am going to approach this game slightly different than I did last game, I will do much more town hunting and see if I can POE a scum team into oblivion instead of finding a few slips early and pounding the ever living hell out of the person into submission.
Secondly as the setup is much different than last game, we should do our best not to talk about roles or claim them unless in supreme danger, especially the newer players should be aware of this. And that is the last thing I will say about roles.
My first to early townread is on FecalFeast, general tone and playful approach to the game points to a more than likely chance of being town at this point in time. If you look at his previous games his posts were a bit more guarded and just generally lacked the playful approach he has shown at this point.
The second thing is HappyKrogan postings are interesting, (I know I am already sliding backwards) in comparison to other people who have posted the posts feel forced and have this sense of wanting to fit in. It also draws my eyebrow upwards how he keeps referring to himself as just normal VT. My first game as scum I had an almost identical entrance post because I just did not know how to interact with the people in the game. I think he is worth watching especially as his reads develop or fail to achieve.
I also did not dislike RuxXar opening salvo of posts even if it is not super indicative at this moment in time, he was playful and did not seem angry at others having fun. So I have a good feeling about him at present. First half is garbage. Let people play how they want. Its early in the game so the reads I would say are kinda forced but that can be expected. However having 3 reads this early just seems like you want to throw out the "HEY IM POSTING A LOT, LOOK AT THIS TOWNIE". Also your posts kinda annoy me. It's as if I'm reading a novel and not actually having a conversation. Feels like talking (or typing) to a wall of sorts. Strong accusations straight out of the gate. Honest and genuine tone. Does not filter or sugar coat his opinion. Can clearly see through to the intentions behind his post with no apparent malicious agenda. Not expected from newbie mafia. Conversion+ Show Spoiler +Speaks his mind freely. Conversation flows naturally. Not guarded in speech and not afraid to step on peoples toes Happykrogan+ Show Spoiler +Was initially green. Moved down after this post. On October 14 2017 00:06 happykrogan wrote: Because of Holyflare's posts my lean is now a read BTW Was having a lean on me, but afraid to commit without the backing/validation of another player Holyflare Grackaroni Fecalfeast Onegu Damdred coolTLname darthfoley On October 15 2017 02:26 ruXxar wrote: Lynching damerion is the absolutely dumbest thing we can do right now. On October 15 2017 03:39 ruXxar wrote:After re-reading damerions posts, I don't feel a strong need to defend him anymore. His response to getting asked for scum reads is losing him a lot of town points. On October 15 2017 00:58 Damerion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:53 darthfoley wrote: Do you plan on ever calling someone scum, or are you just gonna keep saying stuff is "interesting?" While I appreciate your thoughts on that matter if you would turn your attention to what I actually wrote and give a word or two om that it would be appreciated. If anyone bussed this game I guarantee that it was Ruxxar who wrote out a post to say that he has changed his read on Conversion after FF/DF/Mr. Lonelyclock pushed him and that he is open to considering lynching him. The bus was never going to be Damdred, who town read both Damerion/Conversion, didn't make any effort to shennany, and then voted off Conversion without any setup for his vote. To me this looks like a bus post. On October 15 2017 02:40 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:30 Fecalfeast wrote: oh yeah darthfoley seems more towny than conversion, contrary to what HF thinks I agree with this sentiment. Darthfoley is either clearly town or/and more experienced than conversion. Darth foley came out of that interaction looking way better than conversion. I felt conversion was squirming around clamoring to any defense he could muster up. I think you need to calm down conversion and refocus your effort. I feel like right now your reads are all over the place and you're having trouble staying above water. Take a short breather and clear your mind. I was on the edge of changing my vote to conversion seeing as how that went down, but I'm holding back a bit after you bounced back a bit with the list post. -- The secondary red flag is xenon. His post explaining his vote was terrible. I'm awaiting his explanation before pursuing further action. Also in that post he makes an attempt to push Xennon, who he was also town reading earlier, but he doesn't defend the scum read when HF questions him on it. On October 15 2017 02:45 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:42 Holyflare wrote: NOW you think xenonn is looking bad??????????
he looks so fucking new now Yes he's lynchbait, but lets give him a chance to explain his vote shall we? And he questions FF about an Oats lynch when he completely shut down my Oats tone push earlier in the day, On October 15 2017 02:55 ruXxar wrote:On October 15 2017 02:29 Fecalfeast wrote: scumish oats - seems mafia, tone read i guess
Can you expound on this? I want to know what you're refering to. Plus from Conversion's filter Ruxxar seems like the most likely partner to me. So that's my vote. Yes, I hard bussed and hammered my mafia partner day 1 /facepalm All of what you wrote makes me look even more town. You didn't hard bus though you pushed Conversion after he was taking a lot of pressure, which is pretty standard for mafia to jump on a bandwagon around the 3rd or 4th vote.
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Oh my goodness how could it ever have been Onegu after Onegu threw away his vote onto Ruxxar.
Grackaroni was so foolish for ever including him in his POE. I bow to the greatness of Holyflare.
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Eh you can complain about inactivity but the scummer will probably end up being Ruxxar who has been active enough to judge.
You buried Damerion for not voting to save himself, which wasn't scum indicative, and for writing a case on scum Onegu.
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Hey what happened to our veteran Holyflare.
Care to make a new claim?
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If you aren't blue why did you make a point of claiming not VT?
I don't think HF does this as VT.
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Just knowing that mafia is making the right kills this game makes me think that mafia isn't Xenon.
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On October 22 2017 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2017 00:52 Damdred wrote: If what I did anniyed you that much, honestly my phone died it was unfortunate but ibe always held onto my vote late.
I understand the frustration especially since I have been so trolly this game and not playing half the time. And lrobabky Oats or someone will shit on me for the post. Thats fine.
I feel like its unfair to the people actually trying to play the game if you dont actually give any weight to their opinion and time and instead, act like its only about you and getting your reads right. but postgame probably better. Hey grack, what do you think about onegu trying to push the lynch on rux at the end of day 1? Why did onegu try to bus rux? I could see Onegu bussing as mafia. His posts at the end of the day with Ruxxar seemed like a scum conversation to me. Especially the post Onegu made about Ruxxar trying to set him up by telling him to vote Damerion.
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I said Onegu was a good pick for mafia after reading Damerion's post. Then HF started making arguments against scum Onegu and I read other things and thought Fecalfeast was a better lynch.
I also don't think I've been in the background. I've attempted to start 3 different pushes this game on Oats/FF/Ruxxar and I always try to back up my lynch with my own thought process. I haven't seen much reasoning for why I'm one of the consensus thread picks to be mafia beyond likely people seeing me win the last game as solo mafia and associating that with me being more likely to be the solo mafia in this game.
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I don't think there was much that needed to be said about FF he never fought against his own lynch or put any effort into scum hunting during that day.
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So I said let's kill Fecalfeast and then people killed Fecalfeast but I'm scummy because I didn't continue to tell people to kill Fecalfeast when people were already killing Fecalfeast.
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Not so easy to say now is it.
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If I get lynched my final advice is that Holyflare should be an auto lynch if he makes it to LYLO.
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I was the only other vote on Ruxxar but that's not the point. If I wanted to save Conversion then why wouldn't I just vote Damerion instead. I said I thought Conversion was townie and I didn't say anything about Damerion.
You went through all of these lengths earlier to make Onegu's vote on Ruxxar seem townie and now you're using those same reasons to kill me just because the opportunity is there.
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Then how could Onegu have saved Damerion??
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And I can't do anything before that? My teammate is up for lynch and I don't bother to do anything because I want to wait for my other teammate, Onegu, to also sit back and do nothing.
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Yeah well if he dies and he's town it's just going to be me on the chopping block tomorrow and I don't have much patience for arguing with you/Ruxxar/Krogan when I dislike all of your arguments for me being scum.
Plus you guys aren't even putting much effort into this cycle and probably won't do much in the next cycle either.
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I didn't give reasons not to vote Damerion. The last thing I said about him was at the very start of the game.
But you've also objectively been the most mafia siding player this game. You hard pushed Damerion when Conversion was under pressure after saying you would sit back and POE. And then you defended Onegu and buried Damerion, who was the only one trying to kill Onegu. And now you're also claiming that you're blue. So as far as I'm concerned if you are in LYLO you should be the lynch.
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Honestly I try talking to people and it just makes me physically angry.
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It's not hypocritical. You said Onegu isn't scum because he had the chance to shift the vote from Conversion to Damerion and chose to push Ruxxar instead. Onegu was scum. Then you pushed me for voting Ruxxar instead of shifting the vote from Conversion to Damerion. You said that Onegu should get a town read for the same thing that you're saying makes me scummy.
I said that Onegu could be scum after reading what Damerion had to say, then you said that his vote, which is very similar to my own, made him not scum and I left him in my POE but pushed Ruxxar because I thought that was the best lynch. Please tell me how I am the hypocrite and not yourself.
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I am drunk and ready to argue.
There is only one lynch left.
You guys straight up didn't give a signle fuck about this lynch today after bitching about inactivity throughout the previous cycle, when you got the lynch that you wanted.
I said that Damerion was a shitty lynch. Xenon was never going to be mafia because he wouldn't have been the person to kill off Darthfoley and Lonelyclock because those are smart kills.
You guys can lynch me and we can lose and I will be waiting to flame post game.
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And the icing on the cake is that you guys shat on me for town reading Damerion when he wasn't even a difficult town read.
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Hey Oatsmaster come back here.
I want to hear what you have to say.
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If you have the courage and are around feel free to post.
Whoever shows up I'm going to chew out. Because I'm pissed at all four of you.
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Please chime in. I'll be here aS long as I'm awake and conscious.
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On October 24 2017 09:18 Holyflare wrote: It's really quite simple. Mafia's strategy is to keep their team mate alive. The fact that onegu tried to initiate a shenanigan on a completely different wagon is fucking retarded but he stuck to it when 90% of his read through was that Damerion was mafia. It didn't make the slightest bit of sense to vote onegu and I still wouldn't ever agree with Damerion that what he said makes onegu mafia in a million years when the assumption is that mafia is fucking stupid.
Now, we know that the mafia plan was to instead initiate a shenanigan to ruxxar or whoever the fuck onegu was on. Either onegu does this to further his retarded plot and distance on mafia team mate ruxxar or the mafia counter wagon to save conversion was ruxxar. The fact you voted ruxxar was very out of the blue and you were further off wagon for no reason to begin with. It's quite likely you tried to divert with onegu rather than the mafia strategy just being let conversion die. No what we know is that the Onegu strategy was to initiate a shenanigan on Ruxxar. You're saying that this somehow indicates that I also planned with Onegu to try to vote off Ruxar, which I think is retarded because that's a terrible plan. What are the odds that town Holyflare hard pushes a Damerion counter wagon to a scum lynch and both of the remaining mafia decide that they want to sit back and do nothing and wait until the last minute to push a 3rd wagon without even bothering to write out a case to convince people. It's close to nill.
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On October 24 2017 09:22 Holyflare wrote: It's pretty opportune to start berating for all these lynches you "got right" when you did nothing to stop any of them or convince us of another. I went against the Damerion lynch and you all shat on me.
Don't even for a second think that you can pin that on me because that is absolute shit,
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I"m not responsible for other people mislynching.
Absolutely not.
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Why do you think it's more likely me and not Oats.
Why would mafia double stack on Ruxxar when that almost never happens. Even Damerion, who is probably the best scum hunter we have, agreed that there was only one mafia off wagon.
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On October 24 2017 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Why would HF just come out and push a wagon that hard on day 1? Because his teammate is getting killed?
Jesus christ. Why do I bother with this.
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I don't speak Oatsmaster. I don't know what else I can do.
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On October 24 2017 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 08:41 Grackaroni wrote: And the icing on the cake is that you guys shat on me for town reading Damerion when he wasn't even a difficult town read. Being right about that doesn't mean much now does it. To me it does. As far as I'm concerned you guys threw.
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On October 24 2017 09:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 09:30 Grackaroni wrote:On October 24 2017 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 24 2017 08:00 Grackaroni wrote: What doesn't make sense? Why would HF just come out and push a wagon that hard on day 1? Because his teammate is getting killed? Jesus christ. Why do I bother with this. And then he doesn't get onegu to vote with him to kill dam? So Holyflare is ruled out because Onegu is a moron? Is that your thought process?
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On October 24 2017 09:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2017 09:26 Grackaroni wrote: Why do you think it's more likely me and not Oats.
Why would mafia double stack on Ruxxar when that almost never happens. Even Damerion, who is probably the best scum hunter we have, agreed that there was only one mafia off wagon. Why are you bringing up old reads? Why shouldn't I?
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I've put up with a lot of shit this game.
Now it's your turn to put up with some shit.
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Let's get this straight Oats.
It is absolutely incomprehensible to you that Holyflare could have pushed a townie as mafia to save a teammate as mafia?
Is that what you are saying?
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Please enlighten me as to why my argument doesn't make sense.
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Oats I am so confused.
I am in need of explanation.
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On October 24 2017 09:56 Grackaroni wrote: Oats I am so confused.
I am in need of explanation.
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Brilliant.
Those 4 votes were a doozy.
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Let's be clear. I've been less scummy than you.
If I end up lynched then that is pathetic.
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Holyflare what is your role?
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I've got to start paying more attention to voting in LYLO so that other people can't dictate the lynch based on voting earlier.
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How is not VT an answer to my question?
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On October 24 2017 18:00 Holyflare wrote: Yeh you slipped when you said they're gonna kill krogan instead of the guy who hammered mafia :D I also think this is terrible. Krogan was the pretty clear next kill since he was town read by the entire game while Ruxxar clearly wasn't.
And yeah maybe I'm still pissy about that Grackaroni made the same vote as Onegu push you made on me yesterday.
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I'm in the sweet spot right now where if the mafia is Ruxxar I'll win despite voting HF and if the mafia is Holyflare I can just blame it on Oatsmaster.
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Whoopsies.
I didn't even think Damdred was playing scummily and your comfort in pushing him is a big reason why you were town read.
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On October 27 2017 08:44 Holyflare wrote: This game would have been a thousand times easier if people just did the really basic logical things. Onegu spent ten years attacking damerion and didn't save his partner. I'm still throughly confused on that. Damerion didn't vote to save himself and it looked bad to me when it's a mafia that flips. There's probably 100 more instances.
I also still don't even know why conversion got lynched or how he gathered votes despite asking several times why lol. It also baffles me how people call me scummy simply for asking people to state reasons why they wanted someone lynched, in a game of mafia! Me neither. And it was an all town lynch too.
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