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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:51 GMT
#470
On August 25 2017 23:50 Skynx wrote:
I'm a Crystal Palace fan. Altho I enjoy when big teams fuck up a transfer season so bad. Barca can suck a dick for provoking Dembele's behavior.

I don't follow it too closely but it's good you are not pro barca :D
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:51 GMT
#471
On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.

Ok. Can you talk a bit more though?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:53 GMT
#474
On August 25 2017 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.

Explain why you thought Koshi was mafia for his opening post alone?

He explained it. Because I went with a plan and Ruxxar hates plans.
It's NAI for him.

He should be prodded for more information between page 5 and whatever page we are on now.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:54 GMT
#476
On August 25 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.


Oh boy mafia just throwing themselves out

psshh psshhh: You need his vote on me. Gotta make friends.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:54 GMT
#479
On August 25 2017 23:54 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 19:02 Koshi wrote:
Oatsmaster, Ruxxar, Geript

I think I am lynching into this. If town wants Skynx it will be without my support.

Mafia.

I am not surprised.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 14:59 GMT
#490
On August 25 2017 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 23:53 Koshi wrote:
On August 25 2017 23:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.

Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.

Explain why you thought Koshi was mafia for his opening post alone?

He explained it. Because I went with a plan and Ruxxar hates plans.
It's NAI for him.

He should be prodded for more information between page 5 and whatever page we are on now.

He didn't explain it at least from my look in his filter.

He said same reason as Skynx. And he scumread me last time for making a "plan". And Unfortunately I was mafia then. But w.e I am gone.

I will check the game when I am home. Time will be limited.
But I will find time to post my list once more.


I think mafia will put 2 votes on me. I know 2 townies will be bad and vote me. So basically there is a very legit chance I will be lynched.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 15:00 GMT
#492
On August 25 2017 23:59 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 23:57 Holyflare wrote:
Are you fully caught up?


More or less.

There were a couple walls of text I didnt fully understand(heyo geript) but w/e.

Prepare to be poisoned. Start preparing an antidote.
That being said. I think there is more chance it is going to be water instead.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 15:29 GMT
#512
On August 26 2017 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
"There will not be a voting thread, I'm going to use the votecount machine".

Do we vote in the voting thread or here? Im confused.

There is a vote thread. gogo.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 15:30 GMT
#513
On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him.

What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 15:31 GMT
#514
Anyway. The Ruxxar/HF scumteam looks legit.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 15:34 GMT
#518
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax

Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx

Very very slight townread
Tumblewood

MIA
Oatsmaster

Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF[/QUOTE]




gl hf bois. I think I am at least 2/3 right. HF is pretty certain mafia. He has been horribly shitty last couple of games (correct readwise (and compared to me)) but I think this is beyond that.

Punish the mafia. I really think I am very right. Maybe rayn is mafia as well. But I don't think he is.

So do not lynch Skynx/Artanis in future days when I am lynched. Go for geript/ruxx and hf.


I truly hope some of you quote this post a couple times in future days.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 15:34 GMT
#519
On August 26 2017 00:33 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:30 Koshi wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him.

What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect.


HF told me to not push you? Where?

I am just mafia bullshitting bro. No worries.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 17:58 GMT
#578
On August 26 2017 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright HF. The reason i don't think you should write off Artanis & Skynx as non-scumbuddies is the following;

The last game i was town in Skynx started the game in a "similar" manner (you remember his "rayn is scum but i didnt read the thread" case). That case was based on his understanding of my meta from the previous game where i was mafia. I think it's quite safe to say Skynx' early game (at least as town) and opener is heavily based on meta (and feels for it). I believe there is a high chance Skynx is trying to imitate this as mafia here. The reasoning is the following:

The whole thing on Koshi was very very stupid, like there was literally no thought process behind what he said. However that doesn't really make him mafia. What caught my attention was when he was making conclusions while at the same time saying "my post ("case" on Koshi) didn't make any sense at all in the first place" since you can't even start to make conclusions when the premises are already wrong and you KNOW it (why would ANYONE, with or without Koshi being mafia NOT call out dumb stuff liek that?). The rest of it + what you brought up was already discussed.

Now based on the above, i think there is also a chance Artanis realizes this Skynx' last game thingy. I think it's even likely it has been discussed in scum QT in case they are both mafia. Therefore it makes perfect sense that Artanis would soft-defend Skynx like he did. I mean like, i am not saying this is something that makes Artanis mafia. I am just saying it is entirely possible for him to be mafia with Skynx. The reasons i think Artanis is mafia are:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 25 2017 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like Skynx as well. Not for the content necessarily, but he put himself out there and even looked at a few other games of Koshi. Dno much about Skynx' mafia play and may be projecting how lazy I'd play as mafia but a cursory look of his last two scumgames suggests he doesn't really go for hard lynches. Koshi as town is pretty hard to lynch. Hedging on it though given how quickly he backtracked.

1) No talking about any actual content Skynx has given
2) No actual talking about any content other people have given on Skynx
3) Just some dilute analysis on playstyle and a weak conclusion baced basically on nothing

And then there is also this post:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually really hate that rayn focussed solely on my skynx read and didnt mention the point hf brought up regarding him saying the same thing to skynx last game to rels. Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad. He scumreads me anyway but doesnt mention it at all.

Rescinding rayn townread.

Why would i focus on anything other than his super duper terrible read?
I don't understand what the second sentence means?
"Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad" -- which means? Is Artanis saying his townread on me was bad? Shouldn't it make him mafia, not me? OR what is he trying to say here?

I have absolutely zero clue what Artanis is trying to do in this game or why he even comes up with his conclusions.

I don't know what you are doing.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:04 GMT
#585
I can see that you are somewhat stuck on a Artanis/Skynx mafia team for a while now. But given the Ruxxar/HF tandem I really don't understand why you are looking for mafia there.

It's either Koshi and friends who are mafia. Or HF/Ruxxar and somebody who is mafia.


And if you think those are 2 townparties clashing. Why are you mumbling about Artanis/Skynx lol
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:09 GMT
#586
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1. So don't trust them lol. (I repeat: HF is probably mafia this game. Whenever I say things like this it is because I work in a "what if" world)

I am without doubt the best D1 reader. No doubt.

I am telling you the lynch needs to be within geript/HF/Ruxxar.
I am telling you Skynx is town for now. Do not touch him D1. There are no longer mafia left that could be his partner.

I am super against an Artanis lynch as 4th option. But he is more likely town for his play today. However, I can see the "underwhelming" lynch be tempting.

2/3 mafia is with Ruxx/HF/Geript.

I know it is true.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:13 GMT
#590
On August 26 2017 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 02:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:39 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause it sure seems like you dont really care whos mafia and whos town.

and fyi you didn't ask me who my townreads are. + Show Spoiler +
allow me to take this opportunity to say ls, vivax, skynx, and koshi are likely town

i dont care about townreads lol.

ah, i see you approach the game differently than i do. a classic scenario

So its halfway through day 1, and you have 3 people town.

The reason I dont care about townreads is because the objective of the game is to lynch mafia, not find town people and waffle around during the day 1 lynch.


it kinda does help when you can narrow the mafia pool down continuously and home in on 4-5 possible mafia. which is exactly what i plan to do. you can call townreads garbage, but i think your tells are way outdated, so how about i keep playing the game in a way that works for me and maybe we can lynch some mafia anyway.

So whos mafia?

hf / rayn / rux / art / geript / you. pick 3

and this list is the safe list. Almost impossible to not have all 3 in here.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:14 GMT
#593
On August 26 2017 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:04 Koshi wrote:
I can see that you are somewhat stuck on a Artanis/Skynx mafia team for a while now. But given the Ruxxar/HF tandem I really don't understand why you are looking for mafia there.

It's either Koshi and friends who are mafia. Or HF/Ruxxar and somebody who is mafia.


And if you think those are 2 townparties clashing. Why are you mumbling about Artanis/Skynx lol

I am not sure if you are mafia or not.
If i have to choose between voting you or HF/ruxxar atm my vote will 100% go on you. You can count on that until you start doing town!Koshi things. Now you're just being sad you're being called mafia.

w.e
We will talk when the results are in.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:16 GMT
#598
On August 26 2017 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:39 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause it sure seems like you dont really care whos mafia and whos town.

and fyi you didn't ask me who my townreads are. + Show Spoiler +
allow me to take this opportunity to say ls, vivax, skynx, and koshi are likely town

i dont care about townreads lol.

ah, i see you approach the game differently than i do. a classic scenario

So its halfway through day 1, and you have 3 people town.

The reason I dont care about townreads is because the objective of the game is to lynch mafia, not find town people and waffle around during the day 1 lynch.


it kinda does help when you can narrow the mafia pool down continuously and home in on 4-5 possible mafia. which is exactly what i plan to do. you can call townreads garbage, but i think your tells are way outdated, so how about i keep playing the game in a way that works for me and maybe we can lynch some mafia anyway.

So whos mafia?

hf / rayn / rux / art / geript / you. pick 3

Well you see, you need to pick 3, not me.

Can you give any reasons at all for any one of your scumreads??

Oats, he hasn't have to do shit. He eliminated 6 townies and is left with 3 towns and 3 mafia. The guy is confirmed town. Be a hero and pick out the 3 mafia out of his list instead of pushing TW to do something he isn't comfortable doing.

TW has town hero reads.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:16 GMT
#599
On August 26 2017 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:57 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:39 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause it sure seems like you dont really care whos mafia and whos town.

and fyi you didn't ask me who my townreads are. + Show Spoiler +
allow me to take this opportunity to say ls, vivax, skynx, and koshi are likely town

i dont care about townreads lol.

ah, i see you approach the game differently than i do. a classic scenario

So its halfway through day 1, and you have 3 people town.

The reason I dont care about townreads is because the objective of the game is to lynch mafia, not find town people and waffle around during the day 1 lynch.


it kinda does help when you can narrow the mafia pool down continuously and home in on 4-5 possible mafia. which is exactly what i plan to do. you can call townreads garbage, but i think your tells are way outdated, so how about i keep playing the game in a way that works for me and maybe we can lynch some mafia anyway.

So whos mafia?

hf / rayn / rux / art / geript / you. pick 3

Why you think Oats could be mafia?

Because he is pressuring the wrong people.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 25 2017 18:16 GMT
#600
Ok I am outies for real now.
I had a good night of sleep.
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