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On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote:
ok I'm awake and calm
anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts?
also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played
On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote:
but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time
HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct
You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.
I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more.
So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that.
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The real kicker is I'm not even sure I'm right about your martyring.
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On August 16 2017 21:10 Holyflare wrote:
To be clear I've only read conversion's filter this game
Me too, I was saving to meta him later to get a better idea. For right now, the fact that he's here and seeming to try to do something when the thread is dead is a point in his favor.
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Still think I'm going to meta him.
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@Conversion. Start with this post from Hopeless and tell me what sticks out and why.
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On August 16 2017 21:17 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 21:08 geript wrote:On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote:
ok I'm awake and calm
anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts?
also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote:
but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time
HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that.I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more. So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that. can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning
Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal.
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On August 16 2017 20:44 Conversion wrote:in terms of hopeless on why he's trying too hard, his first list is what really tipped me off Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:
rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town? like, what does this list do? he basically took the entire pool of players that aren't up for top3 and made a list that doesn't say anything aside from "yeah maybe town or maybe scum" that reeks of trying to look like someone's putting in effort while not. especially when his next followup wasn't pushing scum, but rather saying get rid of the lurkers. in my head, the best possible action as town isn't to just say "lynch afkers," it's to find who the scummiest is on your list and pressure them to slip or keep posting until they look scummy Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier. So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size. Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof well get me lynched then bro. FF calls him out on that exact point, and his response wasn't great like his entire filter is sort of just like weak pressure, then back off. disagrees with a bunch of people, but doesn't make any actions to move ahead with what he thinks at all. the strongest he's pushed back on someone is probably rayn or FF, and even then it's not really a line of "are you scum" questioning shruug
The sad and funny thing here is filter size isn't actually a terrible metric for who is or isn't scum. Generally speaking, people care way more as Town and thus post more as Town and thus have longer filters as Town. I'd be surprised if people just defaulted to lynch the shortest filter more wouldn't lead to more Town wins.
Your point about weak pressure, back off, etc. isn't bad. It's something HF and I have both brought up. But you're wrong about his response to FF (and BTW a similiar response he has to HF when he questions him about his Jealous power up vote). It's a lot harder for most people to make that post of "OK what are you going to do about it" or "Yah.. and...". It's harder because most people as scum are bad actors, they want to qualify and justify everything. It's like when the Joker in The Dark Knight has gives the gun to Two-face and puts his forehead to the muzzle. It's really fucking ballsy to do as scum, but as Town because you know you have nothing to hide is much simpler.
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I don't like your list very much HF
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On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote:
Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember.
I'm pretty sure it was "he thought you were scum and wanted to consolidate on not-HF and also was happy with you not getting the power up as town so you'd die and it'd clear up his reads"
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On August 16 2017 21:51 Holyflare wrote:
I mean I have a great reason for every single one and their positions.
I bet everyone was talking about what great reasons they were.
Overall, Hopeless way too low. Damdred a bit too high, Ritoky a little too low. FF too high.
I think I've covered why I think Hopeless is Town well; I think you're letting go of a good read in favor of a recent read (ala Ruxxar last game). Ritoky I could be wrong on, but I distinctly remember thinking both he and Hopeless were Town after their spat of activity around the 24 hour mark; I like my read on Hopeless (and it comes mostly from that section). I haven't reread ritoky but I'd bet I'd end up rmem
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Cont... I'd bet I'd end up remembering why. FF has some weird reads. Like Copcake being Town but not having a distinct reason for it and bemoaning not being able to filter her. Or his begging for a specific filter to read while catching up. Like who cares which filter you pick, pick one. Is there something interesting, towny, or scummy in it? Repeat until you have PoEd based on reads and reasons. Iirc, he even has people he finds kinda sketch in those posts and doesn't bother to filter them while begging for a filter to read.
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On August 15 2017 13:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
@hopeless i think.holyflare is the most town of the three up for a power. I'm not a big fan of jealous. copcake is cool but I still think hf is the most town.
I like damdred and geript as town. Ritoky also maybe town but his emo post could be that he's sad he rolled scum in a game he didn't even want ro play in.
Conversion is looking scummy I hypocritically don't like how he hopped on hopeless for rejecting his question.
Hopeless' recent posting takes him off my.scumlist
I'm shooting from the hip here after only reading the game in short bursts at work and ignoring it while I've been home.
Give me a filter to read
This
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On August 16 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm in tumbleweeds filter and i don't think he's mafia. Not enough to call him solid town but u know
I think rayns martyring is scummy outside anything else that's been said about him.
I still think HF is town.
I dislike jealous' all paint style but I guess he's towny enough.
Has copcake done anything since being nominated? I can't remember anything of substance I will look at her filter.
I think I remember agreeing with damdred that conversion has made himself look more towny. After a cursory look at his filter i am satisfied
I need scumreads someone tell me a filter to dive
This.
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On August 16 2017 22:13 Holyflare wrote:
Oh actualllllly was ff the one who said jealous should stop posting in pictures and use words after he already had?
By 2 minutes. I don't think that's a relevant criticism. The more relevant criticism is not taking Jealous Damdred and Rayn posts seriously. Though I totally get bitching about the more symbolic posts.
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On August 16 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
Actually read that bit in ff filter and I like his explanation. I don't know why the judges have put both ff and hopeless in a thing together. They aren't likely mafia together at all.
I'd still much rather have had a group of Onegu/Rel/Rayn. I think that's realistic for the point in time, might spur Rels to play if he's town, and at least lets Town get rid of inactives. If they want FF, then replace him for any of the three. It's like Copcake and jealous being in top 3.
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On August 16 2017 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
I actually hated how ott hopeless was trying to push that point now that I remember. That's why he's down.
I read that more as trolling. But I usually ignore dumb arguments like that in hopes they just go away.
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Anywho.. I'm tired.
Good luck on your exam Jealous
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On August 16 2017 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
Especially when inactives don't get modkilled....
Qft
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On August 17 2017 08:17 Damdred wrote:
I think the biggest thing about rels is, he has read the game somewhat (knows I'm being a bit lackluster) has time to snipe about it but doesn't help the game or drive it forward.
And if he hasn't why is he scum reading me for tho ng s that might be or not be true?
This is the first read of yours that I kinda like.
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On August 17 2017 05:56 Damdred wrote:
I am unsure that this vote actually means anything for mafia scum.
I'm not sure I agree with this.
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EPT
