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On August 15 2017 13:17 CopCake wrote:
Yeah I am a wild card but town.
I feel cool with that, wild card.
I think part of my problem readin you is that I thought of you as like Rayn lite. Hyper aggressive, bullying, and more bouncy, just not as good. Like drawing me as a puppy made me happy because I like dogs and in Wave's game I was UZI. You did call out Rayn, which I like. There's the TW read which is almost so terrible it might make you Town. I just remember you being more logical. I think you're a bit more serious as scum or would be, which is a point in your favor. I don't feel like there's a foundation read that I can build on. Plus I'm still peeved about you calling me an old woman who kicks kittens. I'm not quite sure which aspect (old woman vs kitten kicker) bugs me more.
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On August 15 2017 14:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi if you put me into the lynch pule i will lynch myself to prove my point but Holyflare is always mafia.
To quote you, "Tell us why"
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I'll wait for you to finish
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I regret doubting Jealous. I even considered making an ms paint of it.
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On iPad, so it's hard to properly snip quotes from Ryan's big post. A few things:
HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?"
Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing
Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would.
Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad.
Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good.
@HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC.
Still looking.
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On August 16 2017 04:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 04:31 geript wrote:
On iPad, so it's hard to properly snip quotes from Ryan's big post. A few things:
HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?"
Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing
Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would.
Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad.
Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good.
@HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC.
Still looking. Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him?
Actually NM, I'm reading your posts on ritoky wrong.
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On August 16 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 04:33 Holyflare wrote:On August 16 2017 04:31 geript wrote:
On iPad, so it's hard to properly snip quotes from Ryan's big post. A few things:
HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?"
Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing
Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would.
Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad.
Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good.
@HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC.
Still looking. Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him? Yes, he only had 1 page of filter at this point. That's why ritoky's and rayn's comments are super disingenuous.
No I get it, it's just super fucking hard to find the exact posts I want in filters then read them in context on an iPad because I can't use controlF to find the post I want them go from there.
Please disregard the Rayn's ritoky point being good... it is not.
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On August 16 2017 04:06 ritoky wrote:
rayn seems kinda town to me. i don't know why people are defending jealous' "reads posts". the last picture one was kinda something but the other 2 are just thread/post summary pure and simple. they don't actually have any original thought. still no clue what that makes him, but defending him like he is town jesus over that is lul.
The funny thing is that him misreading the HF posts on ritoky actually makes me feel slightly better about him. It shouldn't, but in his haste he miscues on posts at least once a game.
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@Rayn, why do you think Damdred is Town?
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Fuck it, I'll be back when I have comp access.
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On August 16 2017 04:58 geript wrote:
@Rayn, why do you think Damdred is Town?
Yo Rayn!!! Plz
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I don't understand why Onegu/Rels/Conversion/etc. aren't up on the chopping block. FF I can kinda understand. Rayn I can get.
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On August 16 2017 06:16 Holyflare wrote:
let me just confirm
I think raynpelikoneet is absolutely town.
Why can't you just say what you mean the first time? You do stupid shit like red checking Rels. It's literally a waste of people's time and opens up to the WIFOM of "did he actually get a gun?," "Is he saying this because he thinks mafia with RB him to prevent the shot?," "is this another #HFMindGame?," etc. I'm pissed because I think you're town and this is the second game you've done stupid shit like this which doesn't actually serve any purporse.
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HF, you need to explain why you think Rayn is town. Because it had better damn not be because of Artanis post where he's "modconfirmed." You "modconfirmed" Rsoultin last game as scum and you were wrong even after I pointed that out last game. Rayn is not modconfirmed. I should know, because I've been modconfirmed an alignment more than any other player here.
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On August 16 2017 06:34 Holyflare wrote:
waste of time what? I said it within 10 minutes
Because it's you. Everytime you pull shit like this people (myself included), think... "Oh is HF just pulling bullshit to distract people." "Should I upgrade my HF paranoid ideas to solid." "Is this a #townHF play or #scumHF play?" etc. You're a good player who people are almost always fucking paranoid about even when you're like obvious 99% town. It cuts down from them actually thinking about useful things (like who to lynch) and doesn't actually let people understand and adopt your read. I've said my peace.
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On August 16 2017 06:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 06:36 geript wrote:
HF, you need to explain why you think Rayn is town. Because it had better damn not be because of Artanis post where he's "modconfirmed." You "modconfirmed" Rsoultin last game as scum and you were wrong even after I pointed that out last game. Rayn is not modconfirmed. I should know, because I've been modconfirmed an alignment more than any other player here. He told the hosts to fuck off. He rage quit the thread and said he's quitting. He said the mods wouldn't replace him. Artanis Rayn isn't a dick bag and it's a combination of all of these things. He doesn't replace out of a mafia team for getting called out as mafia. Never ever in a million years. He's confirmed town.
Not 100%, but I'm pretty sure he's told me to fuck off when he was scum in one of my games. The Rayn is not a dickbag is a pretty solid reason. It really pisses me off that this setup looks like it allows using that line of thinking; it really ruins games. Like OGI should never ever be part of a game under any circumstances.
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Holy shit. Trump literally just spent time defending neo-nazis.
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@FF
Can you explain your copcake read and how it progressed?
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On August 16 2017 07:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 06:41 Jealous wrote:On August 16 2017 06:40 Holyflare wrote:
hopeless could be mafia Can you elaborate please? I mean I just get the feeling he's making posts digging buttt then it stops there? Feels like harassing with no conclusion. It's weak but I could see why he got voted. I guess I'm guilty of the same sometimes but I do surmise eventually.
I can understand this, but I thought his ~24 hour mark back and forth with ritoky made him look townie. In looking at his filter, it's not quite as good and has that "commentator" feel to it a bit.
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On August 16 2017 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
I should probably read his filter
I notice much other than that tbh.
The worst I saw was:
On August 15 2017 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn's (lack of a) read on cake is mildly concerning, but his logic that TW should have a read isnt hypocritical to me since TW entered into a discussion/argument and exited with nothing to show for it.
Which I pretty vehemently disagree with. I've never thought of Hopeless as a super critical/digging player. So him not thinking through/digging out the whole set of interactions doesn't really strike me as indicative of him.
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