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On August 17 2017 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That makes more sense on TW. I forgot he had hopeless as possible mafia earlier. The tmi point isnt good though. I know i would have made the same thing as town when you called Koshi mafia or 3rd party when i was mafia.
Maybe i am wrong and he is scum. I can agree to the FF thing.
I mean that's not what happened at all. Below is what happened.
On August 17 2017 18:58 Holyflare wrote:
Tw's progression is:
Hopeless must be town for this post => votes hopeless => let me read hopeless' filter in 3 minutes => i like this post => hopeless is in a scum list
Does he talk about ff being his top town read anywhere? I can't remember much if anything.
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You know that thing you complained about 90% of day 1 where you say you're not Tumblewood and just because you do something doesn't mean Tumblewood should think the same?
Why aren't you applying that ever? Tumblewood isn't that guy. Him delving on the tmi meta crap isn't like him. Anecdotally speaking at least.
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On August 17 2017 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is conversion town? Or is he in your opinion? Rels can die for all i care.
Game was dead, he was looking bad. He came in with some hard hitting scum hunting and was the only one to give a shit.
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On August 17 2017 21:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 04:40 Conversion wrote:
I'm about to switch to hopeless just from that last post alone. wtf was that LOL @conversion, what happened with this exactly? You even lament that rayn is going to be lynched and never switch your vote after saying you will. I know the ff thing you will point to but that was later than your rayn point and you wanting tonseitch to hopeless?
Did he vote hopeless?
Conv why didn't you vote hopeless all day with your early case on him?
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On August 17 2017 21:55 Conversion wrote:
didn't feel good about hopeless flipping scum, and I had more faith that I can read him better depending on his behavior so I left my vote on FF
that's all
Why did you not feel good about it when it was a case you made at the beginning of the phase?
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On August 16 2017 20:44 Conversion wrote:in terms of hopeless on why he's trying too hard, his first list is what really tipped me off Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:
rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town? like, what does this list do? he basically took the entire pool of players that aren't up for top3 and made a list that doesn't say anything aside from "yeah maybe town or maybe scum" that reeks of trying to look like someone's putting in effort while not. especially when his next followup wasn't pushing scum, but rather saying get rid of the lurkers. in my head, the best possible action as town isn't to just say "lynch afkers," it's to find who the scummiest is on your list and pressure them to slip or keep posting until they look scummy Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier. So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size. Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof well get me lynched then bro. FF calls him out on that exact point, and his response wasn't great like his entire filter is sort of just like weak pressure, then back off. disagrees with a bunch of people, but doesn't make any actions to move ahead with what he thinks at all. the strongest he's pushed back on someone is probably rayn or FF, and even then it's not really a line of "are you scum" questioning shruug
On August 16 2017 20:49 Conversion wrote:
off him* woops.
yah HF I agree, but the list clearly shows there were people in the game he thought were scummy, but he didn't do ANYTHING to push them. he talked to Copcake for awhile, and he has a quote somewhere saying he'd rather off inactives than conv/damd/someone else tier players, so he clearly thought some people were playing like shit
so why not talk to them or pressure them to post in the thread? he didn't even mention me after that until I posted him asking him about his list and telling him to explain his vote like he did to FF
I mean this doesn't look like what you're saying "just responding to ritoky"
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Like even if it's a response this looks like a scum read that you're sticking to?
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Yes rels is obviously mafia lol
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I don't think conversion's stance towards you is really thst scummy. You were confirmed town and everyone jumped on you for a reason that I'm still not sure about? They didn't even discuss about hopeless or ff, just voted you and afkd.
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Don't sheep reads.
I sheeped hf's read on you.
:D
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On August 17 2017 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 22:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think conversion's stance towards you is really thst scummy. You were confirmed town and everyone jumped on you for a reason that I'm still not sure about? They didn't even discuss about hopeless or ff, just voted you and afkd. I know they did but if Conversion thinks i am mafia why should he care? Like i said there are probably 10 townies and 3 mafia in this game. Did his other scumreads jump on me?
You just linked a post where he called you null? Does he say you're mafia?
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On August 17 2017 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 22:35 Holyflare wrote:On August 17 2017 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2017 22:28 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think conversion's stance towards you is really thst scummy. You were confirmed town and everyone jumped on you for a reason that I'm still not sure about? They didn't even discuss about hopeless or ff, just voted you and afkd. I know they did but if Conversion thinks i am mafia why should he care? Like i said there are probably 10 townies and 3 mafia in this game. Did his other scumreads jump on me? You just linked a post where he called you null? Does he say you're mafia? Did he? not literally. But what do you think this line says then: Show nested quote +in a few hours during my lunch break he does not contribute anything I will push to lynch him b/c a player of his caliber should be able to do SOMETHING in a small amount of time he has Did i? What do you think his conclusion should be? At the time, when he took his vote off he said NOTHING about any confirmed town thing, he just said "the wagon formed too quickly".
And why is that a bad reason lol?
Null read.
Need contribution.
Everyone silently wagons you?
Hf calls him confirmed town
He unvotes and wants to talk things through.
Don't see the problem? Even if the confirmed town thing is irrelevant the silent wagon on you whilst I'm yelling you're confirmed town was dumb as fuck and achieved nothing. What reason does he have to not join them when he's set up the perfect excuse that you're mafia if you don't contribute?
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On August 17 2017 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also if you're town Holyflare you should really really hard look into Jealous.
I mean I've questioned his vote on you non stop? Just waiting for a reply really.
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On August 17 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not to even mention when HF calls a shot on me EVERYTHING Jealous does is like "well why are you doing this HF????". THE DUDE IS TRYING TO SHOOT HIS TOP SCUMREAD!
Actually that's a lie.
You were jealous' town lean :D :D :D
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On August 17 2017 00:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote:
Quick catch-up post:
1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in.
2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this:
1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1.
2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn.
I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified.
Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake).
3.@geript: Thank you! Scum reads aee the only important thing. Mafia can easily make 100 town reads but it's harder to fabricate mafia reads. See this post for a prime example of why you've dropped down. 50/50 on me again. I also forgot about your vote  Rayn being removed from the game is nothing but good imo. His attitude was toxic but that doesn't mean he's not confirmed town. I did NOT shut down conversation for 36 hours in the slightest. This happened less than 24 hours ago and all morning I've talked with geript and conversion and we've produced content so that is frankly quite dishonest. Talking about rayn being scummy when he was scummy is not a bad thing. At least the judges and apparently you agree because you're voting for him. This is actually quite a confusing point you raise. Is this a criticism? Why is it bad for me to talk about the person you now want to lynch? Why do you want to lynch him when he's a town read?
I also don't understand why everyone suddenly dropped their votes on rayn just because I shot him but didn't even bother to look at the other two?? Doesn't make sense to me.
On August 17 2017 05:21 Holyflare wrote:
Also I just want to reiterate that although I town read jealous for his vote making me have a vest he town read rayn before his vote on him today and is simply voting him because the judges said so effectively
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Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake).
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On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote:
Quick catch-up post:
1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in.
2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this:
1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1.
2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn.
I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified.
Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake).
3.@geript: Thank you!
Actually I'll quote the whole post. It says he's voting you to tie things up and because the judges said so.
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But it's like so blatantly scummy that I hesitate. And he also did the super anti mafia move of giving me vest.
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