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Holyflare here's my thoughts on EC.
I don't think hedging makes him mafia (in case if you by hedging mean what i think you do). I actually went and read his past games and as town he has this thing he is almost never sure of anything ~ a day into the game. Like i got to his summary post in his last town game and it was like "i am unsure of these 5 people and this one guy is ok for now". As mafia it was more like... ugh how to explain it... he tries to find something and then he rolls with it. I'm not sure if you get it.
Furthermore, aside meta, i think this post is very very very unlike to come from mafia:
On July 13 2017 07:30 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 13 2017 07:23 emperorchampion wrote:
rayn how do you feel about rux town pass to rsoul? I think it warrants a weak town read in the basis of not likely to come from mafia Can i ask you a counter queastion? What if i answered i think it warrants a weak town read in the basis of not likely to come from mafia? "No way, mind meld," would be my thought
I dunno if people can get why but let me try. Basically if youre mafia you do stuff for a reason. Whatever the reason is you think it furthers your wincondition, however good or bad the decision actually is. Here EC basically asked me something (for a reason), gave me the "correct" answer (idk why), and when i was sarcastic about it it feels like he didn't even understand why i basically called him dumb. Can you see what i mean? The whole thing doesn't make much sense as hi as mafia in the first place but the result of it all is something mafia doesn't do 99,9% of the time.
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On July 13 2017 18:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah but why is damdred town?
I think i answered that already?
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On July 13 2017 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's the way he presents the geript read, regardless of if he is right or wrong it makes him town.
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On July 13 2017 19:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2017 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's the way he presents the geript read, regardless of if he is right or wrong it makes him town. Oh you mean this. Don't agree.
Okay, what do you disagree with?
I think it is perfectly in line with his other posting and how i fell he should be weighing things, aka what he should think is important and what is not and how it contrasts to his posting. Ugh, how to put it better...
When i try to figure out people's motivation in their posts i dont really care about what they post in itself, i care about why they say the stuff they do. I think Damdred actually believes the read he has on geript instead of defending a scumbuudy OR defending someone he knows is a townie. I think the way he argues about the read (in contrast to his other content) makes him town. I know in itself making a read like that is not hard to do as mafia (especially if geript is town), but my opinion on Damdred has nothing to do with the read itself, it's the way he argues about it.
Like... the way he goes on with it looks to be in line with the assumed mindset in case he is town. That is like completely different from for example Ruxxar's EC "case".
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On July 13 2017 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
We'll have to disagree then. I put much more weight into damdred's ability as mafia. I think he could definitely know geript is town and bend a read to fit his thought process.
I also think it's extremely uncharacteristic of damdred to throw out that many reasons on his read on geript this early whereas normally he just has a few feels and sticks to those instead.
The second part is actually a decent point. Let's see what Damdred does with his other reads.
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On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.
And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.
Why does Damdred say the bolded if he is mafia with / without rsoultin? I think it's a very slippery slope.
Actually the red part looks super terrible since Damdred generally has a VERY good tracking record on my alignment early, he even hard-townreads me BEFORE saying he doesnt want to lynch me because he cannot read me... Ugh Damdred are you scum?
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On July 13 2017 09:30 Damdred wrote:
A super strong town read (rayn)
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On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote:
I'm right about geript 100% rayb.
And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on.
Damdred, elaborate please.... This doesn't make any sense, you either think you have a read on me or you don't. You're saying both here.
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rsoultin's reaction to amdred's read on her (or rather the lack of it) can mean they are mafia together.
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On July 13 2017 19:20 Koshi wrote:
You are blind rayn.
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Idk what Damdred is. 
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I also think sicklucker is town.
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Koshi what's your opinion on what i said about ruxxar?
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What's your excuse of needing to tell that to us now when you already did that before?
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On July 13 2017 20:11 ruXxar wrote:
I called out damdred for attributing a meta a meta scum read to rsoul when there are plenty of people to attribute scum meta reads to who have no or very low post count.
See here is the problem with this:
There is no reason to call this out the way you did. You basically defended rsoultin -- or rather attacked Damdred without touching the actual argument at all.
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And i think it almost always comes from mafia. I did the exact same thing with Blazinghand last game. When i knew i cannot defend him i just tried to make people (disformation) talk about something that is not Blazinghand so people would just forget about him until we murder the town.
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Like, here is what i think you are doing ruxxar.
Let's say there is a men's room in a bar and Damdred is watching the door and you are watching Damdred. Tina goes into the men's room and Damdred says "hey you can't go in there!". Then VA, Rels and Tumblewood go inside too and at this point you go to Damdred and tell him "well dude, why aren't you telling these people they can't go in too? huh.. That's unreasonable!"
And that's bullshit ruxxar.
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Ah so you are going with the i-did-a-scummy-thing-for-reactions explanation. I see.
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There was plenty of things to talk about, like your super good observation you threw into the trash.
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I don't care. You're mafia.
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EPT
