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+ Show Spoiler + July 14th 2017 | ||
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Oh please, lighten up. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are right Holyflare. But you are also wrong because there are certain things like race, gender, sexuality and disability that should all be off limits and not just heavily modded. I mean this was not an instance where someone gets mad at some other person and calls them names. Emotions kind of belong to the mafia game (or those things happen), but this was really not it. I don't see at any part where any of those things legitimately came into play this game other than Ruxxar's comment, maybe SL. While I do agree that all of those things are bad - and I'm not disputing Rsoultin felt bad - I don't agree with her on 90% of the things she linked as inflammatory sexist remarks. I spent the entire game just thinking it was bull shit mafia overblown nonsense because we are in a mafia game and there was no mod action and half of it wasn't even bad looking and so took the piss. If you want people to stop doing something then involve independent third parties. Maybe I'm more militant in my views against things like this and I'm in the wrong compared to 99% of people but I will simply not believe anything people say in this game. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but you will never know what personal "insult" hits a person in their hard place. I bet i for example could make you feel the same if i just knew what to say (and vice versa). Some people don't think it is a big deal, others might, that's the point. For example if i was gay and you told me "you're just not making any sense because you're gay" repeatedly it is not okay, and i might take offense in it while for you it might not seem like a big deal. And it has nothing to do with a mafia game in the first place. But nobody in this game said anything like this in the slightest. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. Which is why the whole ruse looked farcical to me. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't. The fact that someone thinks people did is imo enough. Unless it's completely bullshit which it isn't because at least i can see why she thinks so. And none of the people here meant it to be inflammatory. None of the people here did it to make rsoultin feel bad. In my view 90% of the things quoted were gender neutral, non-sexist remarks and certainly didn't state she was acting a way because of her gender. So when two differing opinions clash in a mafia game and on one side you have someone thinking it's a mafia plan and on the other side you have someone annoyed and angry legitimately or not then how does one proceed? Get mod support instead of writing it in the thread. The more you write that has nothing to do with mafia the more the other person is going to press you on producing stuff and the more annoyed you will get. Mod action ends it immediately. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't. The fact that someone thinks people did is imo enough. Unless it's completely bullshit which it isn't because at least i can see why she thinks so. I mean you did so too, even if you didn't mean it. Or at least a couple of posts you made look veeeery much like it. I am very very much of the view that humorous remarks transcend pc culture and can be joked about. Please, I legit want to talk about my posts and what you found sexist in them because I want to air these things out so I can either learn or do whatever with it. | ||
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Rsoul the last time I played with her is a bite-y aggressive mafia player. This game she was overboard buddy posting all squiggles and hearts. Adding feminine as a descriptor for lots of hearts and squiggles I guess is inherently sexist due to being gendered but it in no way implies she is doing these things because she is female. Quite the contrary, I call her mafia for the buddy hearts. Since I haven't played with her since she got in a relationship with artanis this is simply a stark contrast to aggressive rsoultin of any alignment. Nothing to do with being female and so simple correlation and causation comes into effect and she's gone soft. If someone said to me I got more love-y dovey and complacent after being in a relationship I'd be like, "ok that's an observation." Where does gender come into it? | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:08 geript wrote: This I think is a fine observation; I think it hits on whatever it was that I couldn't pick up on why I didn't like her early on. But it's not how it came across in game imo. To me, it came across as more "she's acting like more of a girl now;" which I think is why I didn't really follow up on or think about those comments seriously. And this is where I think all the signals were mixed. I was simply making mafia observations (with sexist descriptors I guess?) whereas other people read the context differently. I get it. And the problem is I know all of you off of the mafia game but clearly not enough that you know me as a person and what I'm like. I'm all about the inflammatory boundary pushing and trolling to make people laugh for sensitive topics and that doesn't translate well to a forum where you can't hear cadence and tone. | ||
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On July 27 2017 02:00 ruXxar wrote: Your reads were all over the place. I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum. Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not. Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment. In my eyes that's quite scummy. It's almost like reads update with new information! :O Yeah, I probably did call everyone town and mafia at some point but were my reasonings wrong for that? Did I push that read forever and use it to mislynch townies or did I probe and try and change my read multiple times? | ||
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On July 27 2017 02:07 ruXxar wrote: Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight. This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk but geript seems like he WANTS holyflare to be town instead of wanting to figure out if he is town or not. But ruxxar doesnt even want to figure out what you are after finding something "super good". Within 2 fucking posts too!! He didn't even get asked for the read. No force. No anger. | ||
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