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Changes that to include Rux tunnel. Koshi had posted 10 pg filter lala. He's also now scum reading Disfo in the exact same fashion. EoD read says Disfo is mafia despite the fact Disfo has a ton of post since then but he's not going to read them. Using Grack's own logic we should lynch him just for that. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. Then he votes Annul. At least Annul is reading Koshi's filter, which he acknowledges by wondering if it's Annul's meta to do so, which if it was would make him townier in his mind (I assume) So he voted on a tunneled/meta read. Town is way more likely to tunnel in my experience. Because you can only be adamantly wrong on your positions for so long before the rest of the town thinks your scum. Xata's filter looks meh. Disfo is worse but still a dirty filter is better than a tunneled/meta read? Backs down from Xata because it doesn't fit his mafia play style I guess. HF is his only hard scum read and you barely get a sentence more about him the rest of the time HF is alive. | ||
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On June 21 2017 15:54 Tumblewood wrote: what i'm thinking is — this is subjective, but the annul wagon was shit. shit wagons form of course but usually they stay limited to tunneled/bad players. but for annul to die despite not having an amazing case on him (or her? idk) and not being a complete afk i think there has to be scum involved. and fefe is the only early voter i think at all is scum, but there was little actual pushing of anything from fefe himself. and rels had a legit push but was kinda late and otherwise has a super townie filter. so that just leaves grack, as the tying vote. tl;dr — like ??? it's either grack or fefe or nothing makes sense. but already nothing makes sense You do realize that if you sit on Xata being the only mafia on Annul both Xata's and Annul's trains where almost entirely town driven. Which puts all the other scum as off wagon/ modkills right? | ||
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But I'm pretty sure they are both mafia. And I feel like SL can get a fire lit under him since he did jack all D2/D3 now. Also that Grack made very clear yesterday/ today that he has no intentions of playing this game. | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:42 Fecalfeast wrote: Why did you wait so long to place a vote, es? I've been late voter every time? Why does it matter? | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:45 Grackaroni wrote: Again, I hate hypocrites. -Spends her whole time grilling me about the reasoning behind my vote. -Voted for Annul because it was either blind or no-vote. And then bitches that I didn't answer her questions in a satisfactory way. Differences being D1 I was very open and honest about where I was at and why I was voting the way I did. If you can't see the reasons that I'm voting the way I am now, the RTFT. I haven't once "bitched" about what you said. I just interpreted it and said what I thought that made you. | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Because it seems opportunistic and shows a lack of confidence. I know as scum I always have a hard time voting early in the day because I'm afraid to draw attention to myself Because I'm not already a big enough '?' to people? I'm obviously worried about attention. Common FF, that's a poor argument. | ||
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My mistake then. @Rux, I play when I'm around  . And at least it's usually more then 'I'm in the thread but I can't be assed to have an opinion on anything'. I've at least tried. | ||
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On June 22 2017 06:58 Chezitwo wrote: This is remarkable. Why the fuck would mafia go all in on lynching you if grack is town? How about that I said the weird TW/Grack/SL circle from D2? And look what happened exactly the same way only even more pronounced? They come around and circle jerk around eachother. SL treating TW as confirmed town... Actually I owe Rayn some responses from yesterday. I have some of it typed out but I might as well post it. | ||
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On June 20 2017 21:07 ruXxar wrote: Lynch grack: Ruxxar Disformation Vivax Darthfoley FecalFeast VayneAuthority Skynx Rayn Eversince Chezitwo Sicklucker No opinion on grack: Palmar Beentheredonethat Blazinghand Thinks grack is town: Tumblewood Rels People voting for grack(automatic town pile for today): Ruxxar Fefe Chezitwo Beentheredonethat The grack case posted from earlier + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote: Since you seem bored. Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia? Sure! Let's start with the obvious: 1) He hammers the town lynch. On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote: ##Vote: Annul At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos. Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul. 2) He doesn't try to solve the game. How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see: DF: On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote: I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. Disfo: On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote: I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch. HF: On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Palmar: On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote: Where've you been PALMAR? Scummy scum scum. "I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance. So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope. Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope. It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in". And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game. So we've already established he doesn't push on his scum reads. Going to repeat a few things for formatting: Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. Implying that townies don't tunnel eachother. Hehehe, please. HF/Koshi/Rayn, ringing any bells? Vivax tunneling on me all game? *I know I'm not flipped yet. But I also know I'm town.* Townies tunnel on eachother ALL the time! Doesn't persue this. On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style. Regardless that Disfo has already set an activity standard that will be hard to manage if he's mafia, you want to lynch him over Xata? Because meta says Xata's not playing what you remember his scum game to be? Doesn't persue either of these reads anyway. On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. Remember that town tunnels ALL the time thing I just mentioned a few paragraphs ago? It's a thing. Also pay attention to the HF read here. Hf is the only person who Grack thinks is anything more than a "meh". On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case. Conclusion: Annul must be mafia because town never ever ever tunnel. Xata isn't mafia because meta. HF, the only person he actually thinks is mafia in this picture, is completely ignored. Aside from the recognition of the fact HF is pushing SL for the exact reason he said he was. On June 16 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote: Since when is pushing newbies your scum meta. You'll push whoever you find scummy/think you can push. Mafia will push whoever they think they can. SL doesn't agree with that, says HF pushes active town/leaders. HF finds that very questionable. Grack points out the flaw of logic himself, but thinks HF is scum pushing an agenda on SL. Also giving him the excuse "no Xata cuz scum HF choice #2" Convenient? TW: On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them This is silly when followed with: On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote: believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim On June 15 2017 00:22 Tumblewood wrote: hmm i guess "i randomly generated [the check]" doesn't totally exclude the possibility of sl as a role that gets to check someone pregame. but that is like 2% chance territory so i won't worry about it too much Town has no way of knowing in the first place so at best nai? Mafia without setup knowledge have no way of knowing. Town SL could throw that claim out. He'll be mostly laughed at for it (exactly what happened) The only way TW would know the 100% validity of SL's claim either way is if TW is mafia and I'm either on the team(making it pluasible) or not(100%Fake). Even if Disfo, Rux, and myself where mafia we still couldn't know the validity of SL's claim 100% unless we knew the setup. On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote: rayn's rage post left a bad impression on me, i think the townreads for that are unwarranted. i don't know how to explain it exactly but his rage posts were more... focused, i think, when he was town, and this one was more rambling. like he decided to be angry about something and never changed the tone for the other parts. Lazy scum read on Rayn with no follow up. On June 15 2017 14:17 Tumblewood wrote: lazy townread for vivax for trying to "protect" his way of reading xata This post implies that he's tr Xata too. On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote: i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking: rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order) are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1 preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks This list does not though. Lynch Rayn for fake rage or policy lynch. On June 16 2017 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: i cam understand it but i don't think that makes him mafia at all Other than SL screamings "I'm so town and he's so scum" What exactly was SL doing by now? The fact that HF responds with "You know it" and you can understand? If you thought SL was doing townie things just man up and say "that's stinks like yesterdays fish" Or at least "SL pushing his top scum read is mafia how?" Instead it's super soft defense "I get it but he's not mafia at all" Implying his town read is not that strong. On June 16 2017 05:34 Tumblewood wrote: trying but i can't force myself to have opinions on any of the boring ass fights people keep ragging on This post just says I'm trying but I'm not trying. On June 18 2017 03:13 Tumblewood wrote: notes after reading like 10 pages: i like ever's case on pg 101. so df and rux are 98% town ruxxar continues to be weird and inane - fundamentally not getting the power dynamic. [ACTUALLY his later stuff is solid vote analysis] i like that one rels post on pg 106 sl is insane town. egotistic in an sl sort of way SL gets an 'insane town' placement for being egotistical? I get it, gone for 2 days basically. But why not post more than a single sentense especially when you come out with basically calling 3 people confirmed town. What did he like about my case? What did he like about Rux's analysis? What did he like about Rels post? This post asked more questions than it answers. On June 18 2017 14:45 Tumblewood wrote: no way am i believing for a second cop has a redcheck on disfo. and even if he does, no cop ever has been this concerned about unaware millers Because wondering about millers is the only part about Xata's claim that is questionable. Why did he feel the need to include "if he does"? This is the laziest way to try to distance yourself. The claim was so trash. On June 20 2017 14:23 Tumblewood wrote: oh dear i have eliminated much less than i thought. fuck, i was hoping to coast this game, but now i have to sift through like 10 names I wish it wouldn't take entire cycles for TW to post responses. Because this is now the third time TW has popped in, said some useless or questionable things, and then high tailed it as fast as possible. | ||
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On June 22 2017 07:01 Grackaroni wrote: Maybe I'm being hard on you. I answered your questions for my vote reasoning on Annul. Then after I explain my reasoning you ask for a second reason. Then you say that I should have talked more about it earlier. And then you complained about the way I was answering your questions. I think things like that are just ridiculous since you gave no reasoning at all for your own vote on Annul. Yes, but it didn't take 100 hours and some prying to get an answer out of me. I posted what I was doing with my vote as I did it. I knew it was going to make me look bad. Instead of pushing it under a rug and ignoring it for a week, I just owned up to reality and let people make of it what they would. | ||
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FF/Chez town is general consensus. That's fine and all, I already read both of them town anyway. Problem that I'm having here is SL's read on TW was 100% confirmed town. But SL didn't check FF/Chez. SL visited TW N1, Chez N2. SL also was very sure Marv's slot is mafia. Never gave this any other chance. Which is why if he got a return of different TW is the town and Chez is the scum. I don't know why he implied FF got included in that at all. Not sure why he would lie about his checks as town. And if TW/Chez came back as same I have a hard time putting TW as town. I visited Rels N3. He was a total shut in. Before it gets mentioned, I obviously have no reason to claim right now as mafia. But town needs the info because everyone seems to be having just about as much trouble as I am. I'm obviously not much use right now other than being lynch bait on everyone's mind. So let's kill two birds with one stone. | ||
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